The World Champion New York Football Giants

[EAkadima15]

Maybe we'll get to the point where we have one for every team, and that's fine with me. Some things on my mind...

Who's better Manningham or the other Steve Smith?

Are they lucky to not have been bitten heavily by the injury bug yet? Did I just jinx it?

Speaking of injuries...I hear that Eli's injury will linger. I personally don't think it'll be a big deal just because he doesn't move around much, so I hope it doesn't affect his throwing.

Who's excited for the Giants vs. Saints game this Sunday?

Buy or sell the Giants making the Superbowl and winning? I would personally love to see a Manning bowl. Although I'm sure the media would make it sound like only the two brothers will be playing solely against each other.

[mschuhe3]

Maybe we'll get to the point where we have one for every team, and that's fine with me. Some things on my mind...

Who's better Manningham or the other Steve Smith?

Are they lucky to not have been bitten heavily by the injury bug yet? Did I just jinx it?

Speaking of injuries...I hear that Eli's injury will linger. I personally don't think it'll be a big deal just because he doesn't move around much, so I hope it doesn't affect his throwing.

Who's excited for the Giants vs. Saints game this Sunday?

Buy or sell the Giants making the Superbowl and winning? I would personally love to see a Manning bowl. Although I'm sure the media would make it sound like only the two brothers will be playing solely against each other.

Steve Smith, yes, yes, it won't, I am, sell.

[InjuredReserve]

Steve Smith is the better of the two. And we can stop calling him the other Steve Smith because now he is THE Steve Smith. That Panther has been downgraded.

Giants vs Saints is an exciting matchup. Best of the week. I think the Giants are the best team in the NFC by alot. They will make the Superbowl. A Manningbowl would be awesome and sickening at the same time.

[tbod10]

Right now, Steve Smith is a better WR than Mario Manningham. I do however think that Manningham will be a better WR than Smith a year or 2 from now.

Considering that Aaron Ross, Chris Canty, Kevin Dockery, Jay Alford, Michael Boley, and Kenny Phillips have all either missed significant time or been lost for the season due to injury, I'd say that they've actually been hit by the injury bug fairly well. The reason they're not showing as much of an effect of it though is because of 3 things: Eli's playing, the OLine is healthy, and the DLine has enough depth to not have Canty and Alford's injuries hit them as hard.

I have also heard that Eli's injury will linger too, but it won't effect him at all. Nobody gives him credit for how tough of a player he actually is.

And I believe that the Saints vs. the Giants this week is a game between the 2 best NFC teams. I think that the winner of this game will get a huge leg up on the fight for homefield advantage because I don't see either of them losing a whole lot the rest of the way.


I'm really anxious to see how the Giants fairly banged up D comes to play on Sunday. When put up against a wall, they normally respond and push right back. It will be a fun game to watch.

[EAkadima15]

Yeah, usually games like that are too good to be at 1 o'clock lol. Steve Smith on the Giants is rising, and Steve Smith on the Panthers is falling, but he hasn't passed him yet.

[Descendency]

The giants have had an easy schedule up til now, but they've been beating teams pretty easily. I'd say this will obviously prove if the Giants belong in the top 5 teams this year.

[phenomenal_waffles]

I'd still rather have Manningham despite Smith being ahead of him at this point.

[phenomenal_waffles]

Yeah, usually games like that are too good to be at 1 o'clock lol. Steve Smith on the Giants is rising, and Steve Smith on the Panthers is falling, but he hasn't passed him yet.
You can't tell me that if the Panthers' Steve Smith had a QB to throw to him, he wouldn't produce. He's still one of the best in the league.

[Colts Homer]

Plantar fasciitis sucks. I've had it for a year now and it absolutely kills all the time. He has to be constantly icing it to be playing right now. It's the definition of a lingering injury. The worst part is it hurts the worst when you just stand up after sitting down for a while or sleeping, but it always hurts while standing. It's a tough disease to recover from. Tendons in the foot disconnect from the heel.

I'll take Manningham over Smith right now.

[EAkadima15]

You can't tell me that if the Panthers' Steve Smith had a QB to throw to him, he wouldn't produce. He's still one of the best in the league.

That's what I'm trying to say. The Giants Steve Smith isn't near the Panthers one. Steve Smith on the Panthers is only really falling because of Delhomme, not because of his own performance.

[ZN0rseman]

I think the Saints are going to smack down the Giants on Sunday, and they'll do it with authority.

[EAkadima15]

Now that I doubt. Brees will see plenty of pressure from the Giants D-line, and will be too far off rhythm to knock out the Gmen.

[DevineIntervention]

And I believe that the Saints vs. the Giants this week is a game between the 2 best NFC teams. I think that the winner of this game will get a huge leg up on the fight for homefield advantage because I don't see either of them losing a whole lot the rest of the way.


Vikes are def better then the saints, a lot of people will be surprised but i really feel the saints are the 4th or 5th best NFC team

[Ckane138]

Are they lucky to not have been bitten heavily by the injury bug yet? Did I just jinx it?


Have you not heard about Aaron Ross, Kenny Phillips, Michael Boley, and Chris Canty?

Anywho, yay now we have our own thread.

Anyone see the segment on Sportscenter where Shockey was downplaying the **** out of playing against and getting all pissed off being like "It's not all about me! It's just another game!!!" then a split second later they show Drew Brees saying "well of course it's not just another game for him." I lol'd.

[Cicero]

I want to see this guy on the field more.

[kaution]

I want to see this guy on the field more.



yup having him on 3rd and long with the rest of the d-line would really put the rush over the top.

[EAkadima15]

Have you not heard about Aaron Ross, Kenny Phillips, Michael Boley, and Chris Canty?


I have, and we still have Tuck, Kiwi, Umenyiora, Robbins, Cofield, and they will all make a good pass rush. The depth of the Giants D-line is amazing.

And yes, I would like to see Clint Sintim take the field more often too.

[EL Guapo]

Sintim has been hurt all year, the only game he was active was last week. He won’t see the field against the Saints unless he’s rushing the passer.

Without Boley, I would use three safeties with Bush on the field and see if they could run it.

[ZN0rseman]

I don't think the Giants are for real, and I think they are going to get exposed this weekend.

[mpg1995]

I don't think the Giants are for real, and I think they are going to get exposed this weekend.

I don't think the Vikings are for real and expect them to get exposed soon.

[wraith36444]

I have my doubts about the Eagles...

[mpg1995]

I have my doubts about the Eagles...

Why? theres an Eagles thread

[EL Guapo]

We can post homer news now. Looks like they are finally fixing Canty.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/10/ny_giants_chris_canty_undergoe.html

Last week, Tom Coughlin said Chris Canty has “issues” with his injured calf and that it’s been “difficult to get him beyond a certain point” in his rehab. Earlier this week, the Giants believed doctors identified and fixed an issue that will now get the defensive tackle over the hump.

Canty, the free-agent acquisition who has played only one game this season, underwent a medical procedure to stop bleeding in his calf that was preventing his strain from healing, according to someone briefed on the treatment. The person, who requested anonymity because the Giants haven’t mentioned the procedure publicly, said the bleeding was causing an inordinate amount of swelling.

[wraith36444]

Coughlin had Canty fixed? Isn't that unethical? Isn't it wrong to take someone's manhood away or am I missing something?

[yem123]

I think the Saints are going to smack down the Giants on Sunday, and they'll do it with authority.
Saints have won all of their tough games with DEFENSE. Their defense creates turnovers. Eli has only thrown 2 picks in 5 games. We'll see if it was a result of crappy opponents, or if he can rip up the Saints.

Only thing that scares me is that Darren Sharper has like 3 or 4 career pick sixes against Eli.

[yem123]

Coughlin had Canty fixed? Isn't that unethical? Isn't it wrong to take someone's manhood away or am I missing something?He pulled his hammy while "out to stud" and Coughlin just wants him to focus on football. Hope this doesn't affect his competitive drive.

[tbod10]

I really don't expect to see Canty or Ross on the field until the earliest after the bye week.

Clint Sintim is a guy that could be big in our pass rush situation this weekend. If they line up Osi, Tuck, Robbins, and Kiwanuka and bring Sintim as a blitzing LB it would be tough I would imagine for the Saints to provide really good protection for Brees.

ZNorse, get the **** out of our thread until at least after the Saints game. Go slurp Favre's bird for now.

[wraith36444]

He pulled his hammy while "out to stud" and Coughlin just wants him to focus on football. Hope this doesn't affect his competitive drive.

Having someone "fixed" means neutering them...

[wraith36444]

I think the Saints will win though Tbod as Manning always had trouble with Darren Sharper.

[tbod10]

I think it's going to be a very hard fought battle that will come down to the end. I don't think Darren Sharper will have anywhere near as much success against Manning as he's had in the past. Eli's field awareness and looking off of receivers has improved greatly since the last time Sharper terrorized Eli. I don't think Sharper will play much of a factor in the game this week. I'm not guaranteeing the Giants will win, but if the Saints win, it won't be because of Sharper. It will be because the defensive line won't be able to get to Drew Brees.

[giantsfan6017]

I think Smith is better for now

[EAkadima15]

I think it's going to be a very hard fought battle that will come down to the end. I don't think Darren Sharper will have anywhere near as much success against Manning as he's had in the past. Eli's field awareness and looking off of receivers has improved greatly since the last time Sharper terrorized Eli. I don't think Sharper will play much of a factor in the game this week. I'm not guaranteeing the Giants will win, but if the Saints win, it won't be because of Sharper. It will be because the defensive line won't be able to get to Drew Brees.

This.

[giantsfan6017]

Tom Coughlin interview
http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story.asp?story_id=43400

[EAkadima15]

Lame interview. Tons of cliches, just a bunch of coachspeak. Also, the questions were as big of softballs as they come.

[arhymemaster]

I think the Saints will win though Tbod as Manning always had trouble with Darren Sharper.

No no, Manning always had trouble against the Vikings variation of Cover 2. Darren Sharper just happened to be our safety then.

[EL Guapo]

They might finally allow Hixon to return kicks, tt least he can do something.



http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2009/10/hixon-ready-for-some-happy-ret.html

[giantsfan6017]

The Giants prepare for the Saints

http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story.asp?story_id=43428

[EL Guapo]

The Giants got their ass kicked. They got no pressure with the front 4 and hardly tried to blitz. Sheridan had no answer. They abused the safties, especially CC Brown with the playation. They had receiver running free through the zones. The Saints did whatever the wanted through the air. They need all their guys back and if they play again.

[EAkadima15]

Yeah, our secondary was ripped to shreds I heard. I'm not bummed about missing that game yesterday.

[giantsfan6017]

The Giants know the Cardinals will throw to their big WRs
http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story.asp?story_id=43610

[EL Guapo]

It would be a bad sign if the defense doesn't bounce back. I expect the Cardinals to make some plays but not enough.

[EAkadima15]

At least Boldin won't be at full strength for the game. I believe Corey Webster can hold his own covering Larry Fitzgerald. This is a vital game for the Giants secondary to re-establish confidence in themselves as the season passes the midpoint soon.

[Ckane138]

We just tell CC Brown he's not allowed to play the run. That way he doesn't have to worry about play action fakes and when they actually do run 10 men should be enough to stop their sorry run game.

[giantsfan6017]

Preview: Cardinals-Giants
http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story.asp?story_id=43615

[tbod10]

HUGE game this weekend, obviously. If the Giants win this game, then all is forgotten for now about their lackluster play these past few weeks. They need to come out and get Jacobs going because he's looked really good the past 2 weeks. Stick CWebb on DeSean all game and their air attack will struggle, then use the front 7 to bottle up McCoy.

[EL Guapo]

Bradshaw sent to foot specialist


Running back Ahmad Bradshaw, who has been battling ankle and foot issues for most of the season, went to see a foot specialist in Charlotte, N.C., this afternoon.

Bradshaw, who has 455 rushing yards this season, will be examined by Dr. Robert Anderson, the noted orthopedic surgeon who is often consulted on second opinions by NFL players. It’s not believed that Bradshaw went there because of any setback he might have suffered in Sunday night’s game. However, though he appeared fine when talking to reporters on Monday, he also noted that his key fourth-quarter fumble came about when he was grabbed on his “bad ankle” by Cardinals S Antrell Rolle.

Tom Coughlin did not discuss Bradshaw’s absence at his morning press conference yesterday and the Giants did not provide any details in their post-practice notes. Coughlin was not made available to the media after practice.

It’s possible the Giants or Bradshaw simply wanted to make sure that their current course of action with the running back was the correct one. For most of this season, Bradshaw has been wearing a protective boot on his right ankle/foot during the week and not practicing until Friday. He has not appeared to be limited at all during games.

The Giants made a similar move in 2007 when they sent receiver Plaxico Burress to see Dr. Anderson to make sure they were following the right course with his ankle injury. Dr. Anderson recommended rest and rehab, not surgery. Burress went on to have one of his best NFL seasons, which of course ended with the game-winning catch in Super Bowl XLII.

Also of note, CB Kevin Dockery did not practice “due to personal reasons,” according to the team.

[tbod10]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/10/ny_giants_linebacker_michael_b_1.html

Canty and Boley practiced with the Giants today. Will be interesting to see if they're able to play this weekend.

Bradshaw will be fine I'm sure.

[EL Guapo]

Crisis time

[Ckane138]

Can we go back to playing the Bucs, Chiefs and Raiders? No? ****.

[EAkadima15]

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Giants have a lot of offensive issues to solve this week. Eli can't ever suck that hard again, that was the worst I've seen him play, and we're not getting it done on the ground.

[tbod10]

Pierce called this week's game against the Chargers the Giants "Super Bowl". I have to agree with him. It's not that the Giants have lost these past 3 weeks, it's that they've looked like they're just going through the motions. They need a win this weekend in the worst way. I hope the defense comes to play this week and Gilbride gets back to pounding the football with Jacobs and Bradshaw to alleviate some of the pressure off of Eli and his foot.

[EAkadima15]

I would love to see the running game get going this week, that would be a huge sigh of relief. The game this week might define how the Giants do for the rest of the season. I never anticipated a regular season game at this point in the season meaning so much for the Giants.

[chicagojay]

And I thought the Bears had a bad situation going at safety

[Ckane138]

You guys are dead on. Their front seven is just as crippled as our secondary so we absolutely have to just pound it right at them. Unfortunately we're very outmatched on defense against their offense that loves the intermediate passing and screen game. As much as I criticized Sheridan in the past for not being as aggressive as Spags I think this is a game where we have to be a little more conservative in terms of sending plenty of blitzers. Pierce is right, if we go into the bye week with four straight losses the team psyche is ****ed.

[EL Guapo]

CC Brown benched. Had to be done

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/

[Ckane138]

http://www.newsday.com/blogs/sports/glauber-s-nfl-hot-reads-1.811959/giants-cb-aaron-ross-targets-atlanta-game-for-return-1.1568470
^^Ross will be back after the bye week which is huge. I think if Rouse sucks **** at safety this week then we have to consider putting Terrell Thomas at free safety after the bye when Ross comes back.

[EL Guapo]

I want to strangle somebody

[Bluto]

The play calling has just been terrible all season, and it's only getting worse. Earlier in the season, they were consistently going deep on 3rd & Short, now last night, they took the ball out of Eli's hands when they had a chance to step on The Chargers throat. This team needs the bye desperately right now to regroup and get back on track.

[big blue monster]

We need to kick some Falcon ass.

[tbod10]

HUGE game for the Giants, clearly. They win, and they are in the driver's seat for at least a Wild Card spot. They also just need to get back to winning. These next 2 games (Falcons & Broncos) are must wins since they face the Cowboys and Eagles back to back weeks after that. That 4 game stretch will determine not only what kind of team this is, but how seriously they can be taken as a playoff and possibly Super Bowl team.

The defense, with the exception of Phillips, is finally healthy for the first time all season. They need to knock Matt Ryan on his ass.

[Arcade]

Gonna be a good game this week, it'll teach us a lot about both teams. For the Falcs it'll show us if Matt Ryan can succeed without Michael Turner, and it'll teach us if the Giants can start consistently beating good teams.

[Spaceman!]

can't wait for the game, this is really the make or break one. sucks about AP being injured, but its a good thing in the long run - Goff or Blackburn now have a chance to show over a long stretch that they can handle the starters job and it gives the front office a chance to see just how high up on our list of needs an ILB is come draft day.

speakign of which, is anybody else shocked at how many mocks have us taking Jermain Gresham in the 1st round? hell, i'm shocked that so many people think our first pick can be anything other than a safety or ILB. please tell me i'm not alone in this.

[tbod10]

AP getting hurt absolutely kills this defense. I was very confident going into this game, but with AP out, I don't know. This could be a big blow.

[giantsfan6017]

I think Blackburn will do pretty good

[EL Guapo]

We live another day. Doesn't look good tough.

[wraith36444]

I am writing about this in the Giants part of the PR, but it is the triumphant return of the Giants 4th Quarter Defense.

[EAkadima15]

That win was a lifeline for the Giants, however ugly it may have been. The Giants should definitely be able to go out and beat the Broncos tomorrow night. No Kyle Orton is very bad news for them, when Chris Simms turns the ball over before he can even attempt his first pass.

[Ckane138]

A couple thoughts on the game tomorrow:

-I feel like this is kind of a trap game. I know no one's expecting a cakewalk as if it were the Browns or Raiders, but Vegas has us as seven point favorites and most are ready to write off the Broncos. The defense was absolutely gassed towards the end of the Falcons game so you gotta worry about overall stamina coming off a short week. Their short passing game could easily tire our guys out in the thin air.

-That being said, I think the short week can be beneficial. Typically when teams play on Thursdays we see a very vanilla game plan, and you're not gonna find a more vanilla offensive coordinator than Gilbride. We should see a lot of power running with Jacobs and Ware.

-However, this also means we'll see some of Sheridan's generic defensive looks which could be costly. They're pretty banged up on the right side of their line, but if Tuck/Kiwi/Canty aren't capitalizing and getting to the quarterback, the thin air and our lack of depth at linebacker will come into play and we could be in for a long night or Orton target practice that no amount of beer and pie can help (but we can still try).

-Looking at some intangibles, I think we're in as good of a situation as you can ask for as a road team playing on Thanksgiving. We got a team that generally isn't phased by playing in hostile environments. Also we'll be playing in front of a crowd that will be tired from eating turkey all day (half-joking) and less enthusiastic with their team reeling.

-Win or lose, I'm thankful we get a 11-day semi-bye week layoff after to get some extra time to rest and prepare for the next game (Not sure who it is off the top of my head).

-Lastly, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and especially those that bothered to read this. This is the Giants' first Thanksgiving game since 1992 when I was three so essentially the first in my Giants fan lifetime and probably several of yours as well. I'm very excited for this and hopefully we can get a win to stay on track after that skid.

[EAkadima15]

Happy thanksgiving to you too Ckane. Your sentiments on this being a trap game, and having a tired defense are shared by myself as well. The defense was really tired, they have a short week, and have to travel out to Denver. Huge cause for concern, and I hope Jacobs is healthy and has a big night running on the Broncos. Playing Chris Simms definitely helps our cause.

[ChicagoBearsFan23]

Can anyone explain why everyone says "The New York Football Giants"

[Mister3nOut]

Can anyone explain why everyone says "The New York Football Giants"

Because there used to be a New York Baseball Giants so old guys like Berman still say Football.

[Bluto]

Because there used to be a New York Baseball Giants so old guys like Berman still say Football.

It's actually the legal name of the club, as when it was formed, "New York Giants" was already taken, so "Football" was added to make it a separate legal entity.

[tbod10]

This week is it. It's make or break. They beat the Cowboys, they're right back in it. They lose, you can pretty much make January vacation plans. While the way they played against the Broncos inspires no confidence in this team, it is amazing sometimes how a team can go from looking ****ty to world beaters.

Goff is getting his first start at MLB this sunday and I think that's a good thing. The dude looks like a beast that can run. He's from what I understand a very smart guy too so he could make a big impact.

I'm maintaining optimism. Hopefully they can pull this game out on Sunday.

[EL Guapo]

The rest of the season can soon become about whether Goff keeps them from spending an early pick on a middle linebacker.

[kaution]

The rest of the season can soon become about whether Goff keeps them from spending an early pick on a middle linebacker.

this.

[kaution]

i would also like to see kehl or wilkinson get a start over danny clark,dude is to slow.

[Bluto]

I was thinking about this the other day. What would you guys think about The Giants moving to the 3-4 next season? It seems like it would be a better way for them to utilize their talent. Most of their DTs are free agents, as is Pierce, so use the draft to pick up a legit NT, play Osi & Canty at DE, Tuck & Kiwanuka at OLB, with the best pairing of Sintim, Boley, Goff, Kehl, or Blackburn in the Middle. Of course you'd have to dump Sheridan in favor of a 3-4 Coordinator, but I'm not against that. It just seems like a better way to get the most talent on the field.

[Theheartweeps]

I was thinking about this the other day. What would you guys think about The Giants moving to the 3-4 next season? It seems like it would be a better way for them to utilize their talent. Most of their DTs are free agents, as is Pierce, so use the draft to pick up a legit NT, play Osi & Canty at DE, Tuck & Kiwanuka at OLB, with the best pairing of Sintim, Boley, Goff, Kehl, or Blackburn in the Middle. Of course you'd have to dump Sheridan in favor of a 3-4 Coordinator, but I'm not against that. It just seems like a better way to get the most talent on the field.

I wouldn't be against it. I think they try to move Osi for a draft pick if they do make a switch to the 3-4. Then they grab a NT in the draft, and pick up a 3-4 DE in FA/draft.

I'm all for replacing Sheridan.

[tbod10]

This would be way too much of a defensive over haul for the defense with the personnel they have. Tuck is not agile enough for a 3-4 OLB and Osi would never hold up as a 3-4 DE. Boley is also too small for the MLB in a 3-4 and would get swallowed up by blockers. Sintim, Canty and Goff are really the only personnel the Giants have in their front 7 suited for the 3-4.

The Giants I think have potential with their 4-3 to be a very dominant Front 7 if Goff and Sintim play as well as the team believes they're capable of.

[Ckane138]

Tuck at DE and Osi at OLB would make more sense in my opinion being that Tuck is a super versatile lineman while Osi is more of an athletic speedy end. Otherwise that wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Terrence Cody or Dan Williams may be available in the first round but there are some good free agents like Casey Hamptom, Ryan Pickett, or if we want to make a blockbuster signing Vince Wilfork.

For this to realistically happen though the season would have to end disastrously (at least on defense), causing the front office to really blow things up coaching wise.

[EL Guapo]

Here is Cofield on no extestion so far


The Giants haven’t even talked to DT Barry Cofield about a contract extension, despite the fact he’s only three months from being a free agent. That’s because, if the owners and the union don’t agree on a new collective-bargaining agreement, next season will be uncapped and a player will need six accrued seasons, not four, to reach free agency.

That’s why it’s been so quiet on the extension front for Cofield and other fourth-year players, who will be restricted free agents without a new CBA.

“All of the guys I came in with, there’s no action,” said Cofield, a fourth-round pick in 2006. “It seems like the owners are confident (a CBA extension) is not going to get done. If I was the only guy (without an extension), I’d be devastated. But since that’s how it is for everyone, you just have to kind of accept it.”

[giantsfan6017]

I cant wait to crush the eagles

[EAkadima15]

I'm really dreading what the future holds if it is an uncapped year we face now. This is awful

[Ckane138]

That game really left a bad taste in my mouth. As bad as the defense played, we left so much on the table and had no reason to lose that game. We all saw it and we can each write ten page rants on why should have won so I won't get in to that now. I'm just trying to move on and not think about it.

Barring a meltdown from the Eagles of Cowboy-like proportions, winning the division is out of the question and the Packers look like they got a good hold on the fifth seed so as it stands it's a scramble for the six seed between us and the Cowboys (you could make the case for Atlanta, but they're on the wrong side of a lot of tiebreakers, and the Niners could sneak in with upsets over the Cards and Eagles in the next two weeks). If we hold serve and win the next two games like we're supposed to (Washington then Carolina), it looks like the six seed is in grasp.

[EAkadima15]

It's crazy to think that we might still be in the playoff hunt after that performance last night. We had that game within our grasp, but as a whole this season we haven't played the kind of football we were used to seeing these past couple of years. If we do not make the playoffs, it will hurt but I will be okay with it because we aren't the same competitors we were the past couple of years.

What made last year so painful was that I knew we were good enough to beat anyone in the NFL, so to lose in our first playoff game against the scum Eagles in large part because we got so rusty made it so painful to watch.

[big blue monster]

We need a damn defensive coordinator , and at least one shutdown corner. It sucks when you have the game in the bag , per say , and then the opponent scores on you the very next play after the kickoff. what a joke. Our backfield is horrendous. I'm surprised we are still mathematically in the playoff hunt.

[Ckane138]

You're right EAK, I don't see us catching fire and having a chance against the Saints or whoever the AFC champs are, so the only real perk of getting in the playoffs is to return the favor against the Eagles or be the beneficiaries of the Cowboys Annual Nondenominational Holidays Collapse. Like I said a page or two back, if things really go south we could see a coordinator change which isn't a terrible idea.

Not that I'd want to see a collapse, but I'm just looking at the glass half full to talk myself off the ledge after last night.

[kaution]

I'm really dreading what the future holds if it is an uncapped year we face now. This is awful

what major free agent do we have other than kiwi?

[giantsfanmike]

We need a damn defensive coordinator , and at least one shutdown corner. It sucks when you have the game in the bag , per say , and then the opponent scores on you the very next play after the kickoff. what a joke. Our backfield is horrendous. I'm surprised we are still mathematically in the playoff hunt.
Thats not true. Webster was playing like a shut down corner in the man cover scheme, and generally everyone else done fine. Since we went to this ridiculous zone scheme, the whole defense has been pathetic, and Sheridan has to be fired ASAP. Another thing that really annoys me is how he drops pass rushers back into coverage, how ****ing stupid.

[Ckane138]

what major free agent do we have other than kiwi?

Barry Cofield and Fred Robbins are our most notable free agents, but it's not like they're gonna generate loads of interest.

[wraith36444]

Any idea why the defense has stunk so much?

[tbod10]

Any idea why the defense has stunk so much?


There's a few things.

1. They've gone to a much heavier zone based defense because of their safeties. Once they lost Kenny Phillips, they didn't have a safety that was able to replace him in terms of making plays on the ball. Michael Johnson, Aaron Rouse and even CC Brown are average-solid in the box safeties, but they can't cover to save their lives. Johnson and Rouse have gotten burned repeatedly on pass plays over the middle and we've all seen how bad Brown is in coverage. It's been so bad that they're trying to convert Ross to safety mid-season to try to find SOMEBODY who can defend the pass.

2. The front four has been mediocre at best this year in terms of generating pressure on the QB. They've gotten their solid Run D back, but the pass rush has been non existent at times. Some of this has to do with injuries. Tuck's shoulder has been killing him all season and it probably doesn't allow him to get as much of a push as he's used to getting. Osi is coming off a torn meniscus, which while not as serious as an ACL or MCL, I do not think that he is fully recovered. While I don't think his speed has declined that much as he can still turn the corner well, it is still probably not as strong as it used to be and can hinder him when it comes to more power rushes or spin moves.

3. When Spags was here, he knew that if his coverage was lacking and his pass rush wasn't getting it done, that he had to dial it up a notch. He'd send 5, if 5 didn't work, he'd send 6, etc. He would rather possibly have a weakness in the coverage and not give the QB enough time to see it rather than drop 7 or 8 guys into coverage and eventually give the QB the time to find an open man. Sheridan has continually done the opposite. He's dropped more guys into coverage and eventually somebody is going to get open. He also barely uses stunts and twists or overload blitzes when bringing a rush. It for the most part is a very generic straight rush that makes it easier for the OL to figure out who has who.


All of these things have caused the Giants defense to turn into a laughing stock. I'll be interested to see if Tuck needs shoulder surgery in the off season and who they bring in as their new DC because barring a complete 180, Sheridan is gone at the end of the year. If Phillips and Tuck can return fairly healthy next year and they get a good, hard working, creative defensive mind in there, then I see no reason that the Giants can't get back to being an elite defense.

[EAkadima15]

I completely agree. Once Sheridan gets fired, we should return to the same dominant defense we've seen in the past years. I hear all kinds of people talking trash about the Giants defense, but I never hesitate to call them idiots if they rip on the players. There is absolutely no questioning the talent on the defense, just the people running it and their dreadful scheming. I always said in the offseason that I hoped whoever replaced Spags would always try to think like him and ask himself, "What would Spags do?" That's the best policy with our defense, since his pressure and scheming won us the Superbowl that ended the season of a team that would have been always argued as the greatest of all time if we hadn't beaten them.

[Ckane138]

Tbod's got it all there. The one thing I would add is that with so many different personnel combinations in the back seven there's been countless miscommunications leading to busted coverages and wide open receivers.

[kaution]

crap corey webster didnt make the trip to washington,and kareem mckenzie is also out

[Bluto]

Damn, that was a good old fashioned whoopin'.

[kaution]

Hey guys if Taylor Mays fall to the giants should we draft him?
I know he was exposed a little bit this year but i seriously think he is a upgrade over micheal johnson.

I know this is off topic BTW but i think if we had Jay alford we wouldnt of struggled for as long as we did he was on his way to a pro bowl season.

[Ckane138]

24-0 before halftime...

Dear Bill Sheridan,
Na-na, na-na-na-na, hey hey hey, goodbye.

[ChicagoBearsFan23]

Kinda Random but why is it called "The New York Football Giants. Why not just say The New York Giants..?

Does anyone know?

[Ckane138]

Kinda Random but why is it called "The New York Football Giants. Why not just say The New York Giants..?

Does anyone know?

This was answered earlier in thread. Wasn't it you that asked it? Lol.

Back in the day, the Giants were called the New York Football Giants so they could be a separate legal entity from the New York Giants baseball team (now the SF Giants).

[Ckane138]

Alright we're officially out of it. The question now becomes how much the front office needs to and how much will they blow things up? Sheridan has to be out the door for sure, and I wouldn't assume Gilbride or Coughlin are safe either.

[EL Guapo]

Coughiln will get another chance to build the team

[EL Guapo]

If Wade Phillips gets fired I would take him as a DC. He goes after the quarterback and knows the Cowboys. It depends on the choices

[EAkadima15]

Alright we're officially out of it. The question now becomes how much the front office needs to and how much will they blow things up? Sheridan has to be out the door for sure, and I wouldn't assume Gilbride or Coughlin are safe either.

I really want both of our coordinators to get the axe. They both truly suck. I'm fine with keeping Coughlin around. I'm ready to see how things shape up this offseason. Even if we were still in this chase, it has become quite clear that we don't even deserve to be. This has been a dreadful season after giving so much hope with a 5-0 start. I started losing site of the fact that all the teams that we were playing except the Cowboys were really ****ty.

Also, I'm worried about Osi leaving us, I sure hope he doesn't. He said yesterday was the last game in Giants Stadium, and maybe his own last game as a Giant. I would be heartbroken to see him leave, does anybody know if he's going to be a Free Agent this offseason, or if he just wants out?

[Ckane138]

I really want both of our coordinators to get the axe. They both truly suck. I'm fine with keeping Coughlin around. I'm ready to see how things shape up this offseason. Even if we were still in this chase, it has become quite clear that we don't even deserve to be. This has been a dreadful season after giving so much hope with a 5-0 start. I started losing site of the fact that all the teams that we were playing except the Cowboys were really ****ty.

Also, I'm worried about Osi leaving us, I sure hope he doesn't. He said yesterday was the last game in Giants Stadium, and maybe his own last game as a Giant. I would be heartbroken to see him leave, does anybody know if he's going to be a Free Agent this offseason, or if he just wants out?

He's signed through 2012. He's probably just frustrated with his role after not seeing much playing time yesterday and worried about his future with the team. Per PFT, the Giants have no intention in cutting or trading him right now:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/28/week-16-morning-aftermath-giants-wont-cave-to-osi/

[Ckane138]

Here's something I just thought about. If we fire Coughlin wouldn't we be able to get any coach we want? We have a ****load of young talent and play in the biggest market. What other team has as much to offer as we do? I'd hate to see Coughlin go, but if we could land Cowher or Shannahan (preferable Cowher), I might get over it.

One last thing I want to ***** about. Had we finished second in the division, the Giants would play a road game in San Francisco next year which would be the Giants' first trip to the Bay Area since New Year's Eve 2006 and now instead we play in Seattle. Now I have to wait until 2011 to go to a Giants' game :(

[EL Guapo]

I forgot Wade runs a 3-4. I would give Coughlin another chance, the last time he was getting run out of town he won the super bowl. The changes will definitey be interesting this offseason.

[EL Guapo]

Now Jacobs admits he has a knee injury.


Jacobs’ season-long slump due to knee “issues”?

RB Brandon Jacobs, near the end of an extremely disappointing season, indicated in the post-game locker room Sunday that he’s been playing with knee injury all season. He’s actually been hinting about that all year long, though for the most part he’s been absent from the injury report.

Coughlin admitted today that “He has had some issues along the way that he’s had to deal with.” Right now, Coughlin said Jacobs’ knee is sore and swollen, but “I hope it’s something that he can overcome in a week’s time.”

As for the four injured players who did not play Sunday — CB Aaron Ross (hamstring), CB Corey Webster (knee), RT Kareem McKenzie (knee) and LG Rich Seubert (knee) — Coughlin said they “are all trying like heck” to play on Sunday, but “They still have medical issues.”

Webster made a brief appearance in the locker room and said his knee felt “great”. But when he was asked if he’ll practice this week he just turned and walked away.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/

[kaution]

Now Jacobs admits he has a knee injury.



http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/

doesnt change the fact that he was completely ineffective this whole season.heres to hoping that andre brown can win the starting job next year out of training camp.

kevin gilbride has to go he doesnt get his personel(just like bill sheridan) he keeps running bradshaw up the middle and jacobs to the out side.

Bill fking sheridan-no need to point out his well documented fails.

Draft needs:ILB,OLB,CB,DT(rocky bernard might be cut)and last but definitely not least SS.

[kaution]

our new DC should be dick jauron he would do wonders with our seconadry.And by that i mean putting guys in a postion to make a play.I think he is the best choice given the offences in our division,and the rest of the NFC

[Ckane138]

I wanna see another Jim Johnson disciple as our DC. Obviously his defensive system is effective with our defensive unit, but Sheridan just couldn't get the play calling right. I don't have a particular name in mind, but looking at the success of Johnson's past proteges (Spags, McDermot, Rivera, Frazier, etc.) we're probably better off trying to recreate the 2007 and 2008 defenses than starting from scratch with a new coordinator and new scheme.

[Bluto]

The best thing about not making the playoffs is that it's going to force Coughlin to re-evaluate his entire coaching staff, hopefully resulting in the dismissal of Sheridan and Gilbride. There are a lot of positives heading into next season. Eli is coming off of his best season, Smith has blossomed into a star WR, Manningham showed enough promise to make you think he'll continue to mature into a decent receiver. Nicks will be an All Pro in 2 seasons, and I still want to see what Barden can do. The running game concerns me a bit. Bradshaw is a great player, but I worry about his ability to physically endure being a feature back. Jacobs just didn't seem to care this year, which is a shame. The O Line is solid in the middle, but the Tackles need to be addressed. Beatty will probably be the starting LT next season, and perhaps Diehl or Mackenzie stick around at RT, with a replacement for the future coming in the draft. The D Line is solid, they just need to be used correctly, and with Sheridan out hopefully that will happen. I didn't see enough of Goff to decide if he can start at MLB, but LB in general needs to be addressed in the draft. The secondary is a mess, but if Phillips is back healthy, it's a big step. If there is a true shut down corner available in the first round, I'd look long and hard at him.
Overall, this team will compete next year. At least we have the draft to look forward to.

[tbod10]

Kevin Gilbride isn't leaving. He makes me want to choke him at times, but for the most part he's a pretty decent OC. Rich Seubert is probably gone in the off season and they'll be looking for an OG I think in the draft unless they slide Diehl back inside.

They need to find a MLB. Goff hasn't shown enough to make the Giants believe he's the future. They have Boley and Sintim on the outsides who are both capable players. They need to find some depth at safety in case Phillips can't make it back completely healthy next year.

[Ckane138]

Props to Shaun O'Hara for making the Pro Bowl. We also have several alternates with a solid shot of getting to play with the new Pro-Bowl setting.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/12/ny_giants_center_shaun_ohara_p_1.html

Last year, when the Giants were the NFC's No. 1 seed, a conference-best six of their players were named to the Pro Bowl. This year, they'll send one -- center Shaun O'Hara.

O'Hara, who is the first Giant to be named to back-to-back Pro Bowls since Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey in 2005 and 2006, is a reserve on the NFC team. Six of his Giants teammates were also named alternates.

“To be going back again, I am just very blessed and I can’t help but think that this reflects more on my unit and the guys around me than me,” O’Hara said in a team release. “I’m excited about it. It’s a little excitement in an otherwise sad 48 hours.”

Left tackle David Diehl, wide receiver Steve Smith and right guard Chris Snee are first alternates.
Defensive end Justin Tuck and kick returner Domenik Hixon are third alternates. Quarterback Eli Manning, who has thrown a career-high 27 touchdown passes this year, is a fourth alternate.

[big blue monster]

I don't think that we should let Osi go yet....why did we even bench the guy ? He can bring the pain every single game. If we let him go , it's gonna bite us in the @ss in the end. All in all , besides our horrible defensive play calling , and slow talentless CB's I think we are in good shape for next season.

[tbod10]

A leg injury when you rely on your speed is always tough to comeback from the very next year. I think they need to keep him because there's no point in trading him when his value is at the lowest it's been since he's entered the league.

[emsmith12]

so the season is officially over. w/o looking at it, i'd say we are about #15 in the draft. earl thomas, if you are out there: DECLARE!!!!!

[EL Guapo]

Never thought it would turn into a joke

[kaution]

http://drunkathlete.com/2008/09/06/elis-living-on-a-prayer/

lol good stuff.

[EL Guapo]

Mr. Mara isn't happy


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2010/01/04/2010-01-04_new_york_giants_coowner_john_mara_rips_into_tea m_promises_changes_are.html

[kaution]

wow why didnt this come out after the bronco lost would lit of a fire under a bunch of asses to perform.

[EL Guapo]

Here is a breakdown of what he said from nj.com

On how disappointing this season was
“Probably as disappointed as I’ve ever been in my life at this team, given the expectations we had this year, given the roster I thought we had, given the way we started out and given the embarrassment of the last two weeks.”

On what he’s disappointed about
“Everything. I’m disappointed in everything. I’m unhappy at everybody. It’s just not acceptable to perform like that. There are 8-8 seasons and there are 8-8 seasons, but this one felt a lot more like 2-14 to me.”

On if he’ll be influenced more by what he saw late in the season than in the 5-0 start
“Well, I’m less than 24 hours after the end of the season, so I’m sure I’ll cool down at some point and we’ll try to make intelligent decisions going forward. And I’ll sit down with the coaches and general manager. We’ll do what we need to do to improve the team, but obviously I’m not very happy right now and they know that.”

On if the last two games revealed anything
"Well, even before the last two games there were at least four other losses where we were just noncompetitive. Obviously, the last two games were the worst. Having that many games where you get blown out, there's something wrong. And that means something has to be done."

On what it was in particular that angered him
"Given the expectations we had, given the roster we thought we had coming into the season ... we start out 5-0 and you start thinking about the postseason. We just did not expect it to end this way - particularly the last two weeks. That was the icing on the cake."

On whether it was a lack of fight or pride
"A lack of mental and physical toughness and, quite frankly, a lack of effort over the last two weeks. That's just something I never expected to see from this group of players."

On what he'd tell the fans
"We're going to do what we need to do to improve the team. We're not going to leave any stone unturned."

On whether he'll start at the top
"That's always the way we do it. To answer your question, I'm not pleased with anybody."

On the difference of opinion on effort between himself and Coughlin and Reese
"Let's just say it's not the effort I expected."

On whether he addressed the players
"No, I haven't done that. ... I really didn't (consider it). I just don't really think it's my place to do that. But looking back, it probably couldn't have hurt."

On if the changes will be dramatic
"I don't know how you define dramatic. Obviously, our roster wasn't as good as we thought it was. We need to take a look at that and we're going to have to discuss everything at this point. I don't think we can take anything for granted after the way this season ended."

On the coaching staff
"The status quo is not acceptable on any level. I'm not going to get into specific positions or anything like that, but we need to do something and I will be expecting (Coughlin and Reese) to give me their recommendations on what we're going to do and ultimately we'll approve it or not approve it."

On if Coughlin and Reese are safe
"Yes. We're not making changes at the head coach or general manager level, if that's what you're asking."

On settling down and not letting emotion drive decisions
"That's always what you try to do."

On how long that will be
"I have no idea. It's going to be a while. I don't know if I'll ever get over the last two weeks."

On a specific timeframe
"No, there's no specific timeframe."

On whether this compares to his saying the team was a "franchise in trouble" in the late stages of the Jim Fassel era
"I don't know I would put it the same way here. I think we have a pretty good nucleus of players and are a pretty solid organization - notwithstanding our performance over the second half of the season. So I don't think I'd be quite that dramatic, and I probably made that statement within that 24-hour period."

On if he'll have a similar conversation with Coughlin about changes he can make similar to the '07 season
"I'll certainly be sitting down with him. I only spoke to him briefly this morning. But I'm not going to be telling him how to coach the team. He's been doing this a long time and he knows how to do that better than I do. But I am anxious to hear from both him and Jerry what we're going to do to fix this. We spent a lot of money this past offseason in free agency and we didn't quite get the results we anticipated. Obviously, we're not as good as we thought we were."

On if the players from the Super Bowl run being part of this team contributed to his shock of the team's performance
"When you perform the way we perform over the second half of the season, it hurts, period, regardless of what you did prior. I've been around a long time and I thought I had seen everything, but I certainly didn't see this coming and I certainly didn't see the last two weeks coming."

On whether closing the stadium the way they did contributes to his disappointment
"No question, no question. That is not the way we wanted to go out in that building. I felt that loss probably more deeply than any other, particularly the way we were so noncompetitive in that game."

On how much stock he puts in criticism by Harry Carson and Carl Banks
"I have my own eyes and ears. I go to practice, I go to games. I see for myself."

On if he noticed the lack of physicality early
"I think more toward the second half of the season. We always used to pride ourselves on being a tough team both physically and mentally, and I didn't see any evidence of that over the second half of the season."

On his theories why that was
"I don't know why. I know we had some injuries, but I don't think we had catastrophic injuries. There's no excuse for performing the way we performed over basically the last 11 weeks."

On a possible uncapped year allowing a team to break the bank
"Well, it's been proven that doesn't work. If there are players we're interested in, we're going to go after them. But how many times do we have to see evidence of the fact spending a lot of money on free agents in the offseason doesn't necessarily improve a team. It's a lot of times about chemistry and having the right nucleus and having leadership in the locker room. We're going to look at the free-agency market and make decisions if we think we can improve the team."

On an uncapped year allowing a team to unload big contracts
"That's true, but we're not going to do anything that's going to hurt the nucleus of the team out on the field. If we think a guy can be a contributor, we'll keep him."

On Coughlin's two years left on his deal and that allowing for a small window
"I don't know. Two years is a lifetime. I'm worried about next season right now, and still trying to recover from this one."

On the leadership on the team
"I think there was a lack of leadership in the locker room this past season. I was disappointed that nobody emerged as a leader. I think some guys tried, I think a lot of guys have that in them. But for whatever reason, it didn't come out this year."

On what he makes of the Osi Umenyiora situation
"I don't make a lot of it. Harry Carson, I can remember being in the locker room with him where he was going to retire and lead a rescue mission into Iran to rescue the hostages. You can't place too much emphasis (on it). Osi is a competitor and I expect him to be a big part of this team in the future."

On if he saw anyone besides Eli Manning making plays consistently
"Not enough."

On whether Manning is one of the players who didn't step up as a leader but has it in him
"I'm not going to get into criticizing individual players. That's just not the way I want to do things."

On if he finds it ironic the wide receivers were the best unit on the team after being questioned before the season
"They probably were. That happens a lot in football. You have to expect the unexpected. What I didn't expect - and probably the biggest area of disappointment — was the lack of pressure on the passer. We thought that would be our strong suit coming into the season and, for whatever reason, we didn't generate consistent pressure on the quarterback and I think that hurt us tremendously this year."

On if it's tougher to watch the defense because of the tradition of solid defense for this franchise
"I don't think it matters what side of the ball. What was disappointing the most was just the lack of physical and mental toughness. Even in the game against Carolina, we go down the field, we get the touchdown called back on a penalty, we fumble the ball and it's like we collapsed."

On the players admitting they were demoralized after that
"I just don't understand that. It's still 0-0. Just stop them, get off the field and then go back down and score again. Just too many instances where that occurred this year and that, to me, goes back to the mental toughness. And maybe a lot of that is confidence, I don't know. But there was just a lot of that this year."

On whether he's waiting for Reese and Coughlin on the evaluation process
"Tom's going to talk to his coaches and he and Jerry will meet. I'll be in meetings with them. It'll be normal procedure. There will be a lot of discussions in the next couple of weeks."

On what he'd do if Coughlin wanted to keep his coaching staff intact
"You'd like to let the head coach make the final decision on those things, but that would be a tough one to swallow. The status quo after what we just went through is just not acceptable."

[EL Guapo]

Look at the last one, goodbye Sheridan

[Bluto]

Just heard on WFAN in New York. Sheridan is gone. Thank God.

[tbod10]

What a great interview by John Mara today. True leadership.

[kaution]

nightexclusive says: January 4, 2010, 7:7 PM ET I actually would like for the Giants to fire Coughlin and draft Tim Tebow ,another defensive end and please bring Spagnuolo or Dick Labeu here, Eli is soft and can't scramble ....I DON'T CARE IF HE WON A SUPERBOWL

lmfao this guys is clueless.
dick labeu runs a 3-4 we dont have the personel for this scheme.
spags is a HC he aint leaving STL.
LOL draft tebow....................
AND eli isnt soft.

[big blue monster]

Congratulations fellow Giant fans !!!!!! Sheridan is on the unemployment line ! Wow didn't come quick enough for me. I was calling for his head by week 9 . He was a thorn in my heel , I must've had at least 10 meltdowns watching his useless defensive schemes. Good riddance.

[EAkadima15]

Congratulations fellow Giant fans !!!!!! Sheridan is on the unemployment line ! Wow didn't come quick enough for me. I was calling for his head by week 9 . He was a thorn in my heel , I must've had at least 10 meltdowns watching his useless defensive schemes. Good riddance.

Yeah, any smart Giants fan knew he was a huge reason why we fell apart. It's a relief to see he's gone, and I'll be interested to take his spot. We need a coordinator that knows this team's identity is aggressive, pressuring, and blitzing. Not a passive zone coverage where we get picked apart.

[EL Guapo]

Giants interviewing Fewell first. Bears also interested



Perry Fewell, the former interim coach of the Buffalo Bills and a former Tom Coughlin assistant, will get the first shot at becoming the newest defensive coordinator on Coughlin’s staff.

Fewell, 47, will interview for the job on Thursday, according to a Twitter report from The Associated Press. He’s also reportedly going to interview for the Bills’ permanent head coaching job this week, and the NFL Network says he’s the “premiere candidate” to become the new defensive coordinator of the Bears.

Fewell was the Bills’ defensive coordinator from 2006 until mid-November when he was tapped to replace fired Bills head coach Dick Jauron - - ironically another name on Coughlin’s list of defensive coordinator candidates. He’s also another man with the military background Coughlin loves (an Army assistant in 1987 and from 1992-94) and was Coughlin’s defensive backs coach in Jacksonville from 1998-2002.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/01/fewell-gets-first-shot-at-dc-j.html

[big blue monster]

Giants interviewing Fewell first. Bears also interested




http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/01/fewell-gets-first-shot-at-dc-j.html

that would be an awesome pickup.

[Bluto]

Giants interviewing Fewell first. Bears also interested




http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/01/fewell-gets-first-shot-at-dc-j.html

*cough*RooneyRule*cough*

[kaution]

giants fire mike waufle the dline coach.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/01/ny_giants_fire_defensive_line.html

[EAkadima15]

that would be an awesome pickup.

Only if he understands this defense will be successful if it becomes all about man coverage and creative blitzing again like Spagnuolo did.

[EL Guapo]

Why do you guys think? If I bet $50 I get back $102.

Will the New York Giants make the playoffs after the 2010 Regular Season?
All wagers have action.
Yes
+205
No
-265

[Preston627]

NY Daily News: Perry Fewell interviewed with Giants today and left without a contract.

[ChicagoBearsFan23]

NY Daily News: Perry Fewell interviewed with Giants today and left without a contract.

I know. Dun Dun Dun!

He might probably be keeping his options open though.

[EAkadima15]

Back in the olllddd days, the San Francisco Giants were in New York. So when the football team came into town, they were referred to as the New York football Giants to avoid confusion. Chris Berman still calls them that pretty often when he does the highlights.

[EL Guapo]

The New York Giants were a baseball team before they moved to San Francisco so they needed another legal name. It's still their legal corporate name

[ChicagoBearsFan23]

Back in the olllddd days, the San Francisco Giants were in New York. So when the football team came into town, they were referred to as the New York football Giants to avoid confusion. Chris Berman still calls them that pretty often when he does the highlights.

Yeah thats where i got it from

[EL Guapo]

Romeo interested


On Tuesday, we told you Romeo Crennel's agent, Joe Linta, said his client would be interested in the Giants' defensive coordinator job. But allow me to repeat: at a million bucks or more a year, so would I. The big key is whether the Giants would be interested in him.

On Thursday, Linta made it clear they were.

"I know they've talked," Linta said by phone. "And I'm sure they weren't just calling him to say hi."

Linta cautioned he wasn't sure the depth of the conversations between the Giants and Crennel, an assistant with the team on Bill Parcells' staff for more than a decade who worked with Tom Coughlin for three seasons. Plus, Crennel is currently on vacation with his wife and won't return until Monday.

"Let's put it this way: Romeo and the Giants are only Facebook friends right now," Linta said.

Still, the agent said his client - a Super Bowl-winning coordinator with the Patriots from 2001-04 - would be interested in sitting down for an interview if the Giants set one up next week. There's also a chance Crennel could meet with Coughlin at the East-West Shrine game from Jan. 16-23. Crennel will coach the East squad and doesn't plan on bailing on that responsibility, Linta said.

So with the Giants having interviewed Perry Fewell Thursday and with a Crennel interview possibly on the horizon, this process is shaping up to be a long, thorough one - which is exactly what we expected.

* * * *
Of course, the question is once again raised: what would happen if the Giants hired Crennel, a coach with a 3-4 pedigree, to work with personnel better suited for a 4-3. Linta said his client wouldn't be averse to working with a 4-3 scheme, perhaps with some 3-4 elements mixed in.

"If Coughlin said, 'Romeo, I want you to run a 4-3,' Romeo would say okay and figure out a way to make it work," Linta said.

Don't forget the Giants recently had a coordinator run a 4-3 with 3-4 elements mixed in. Yeah, yeah, I know it was Tim Lewis and that he's persona non grata among Giants fans. All I'm saying is it wouldn't be the first time a team ran a 4-3 that resembled a 3-4. And when it comes to Lewis, his approach with the players and his coaching techniques on a personal level were a big issue - not necessarily his Xs and Os.

[EL Guapo]

They're interviewing Jim Haslett


Jim Haslett may only be a “fallback” candidate for the Giants’ defensive coordinator job, as one team source told me yesterday, but it looks like the Giants may have to fall back.

With Romeo Crennel out and Perry Fewell still pondering, the Giants are planning to bring in Jim Haslett, the former Saints and Rams coach, for an interview tomorrow. The meeting, first reported via Twitter from The Giants Insider, comes after the Giants approached Haslett over the weekend to gauge his interest.

Haslett, however, is also a top candidate for the Washington Redskins’ defensive coordinator position, according to reports. Of course, the Redskins are also in the process of giving their old secondary coach Jerry Gray a second interview, so maybe Haslett isn’t as high atop Mike Shanahan’s list as previously thought.

Meanwhile, I’ve received no word from the Perry Fewell camp tonight as he continues to consider his options, whatever they might be. I suspect he may be the man to beat in this race, but to be honest I think we’re all just guessing at this point.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/#ixzz0cS3ckFl0

[tbod10]

Why do you guys think? If I bet $50 I get back $102.

Will the New York Giants make the playoffs after the 2010 Regular Season?
All wagers have action.
Yes
+205
No
-265


I would make this bet. I expect them to be back in the post season next year.

[tbod10]

As for Haslett, he's not a definite for an interview. He's in Washington right now talking to Snyder about the DC position there. The only way he'll make it up to the Giants is if he leaves there without a contract. Here's a rundown on the situation on Mike Garafolo's (Star-Ledger) twitter page:

http://twitter.com/NJ_Giants

[giantsfan6017]

I would take Spiller in the first and Major Wright in the second

[EL Guapo]

Perry Fewell has “a lot of confidence” in the defensive coaches he inherited when he joined the Giants, and other than hiring a new defensive line coach he has no plans to make any other changes to the Giants’ coaching staff.

That’s what Fewell, the Giants’ new defensive coordinator, said this morning in his first interview since he was hired. Speaking on Sirius NFL Radio’s The Opening Drive he made it clear that the jobs of linebackers coach Jim Hermann and secondary coaches Peter Giunta and Dave Merritt are safe.

“I have a lot of confidence in the staff that’s presently here,” Fewell said. “Both secondary coaches have a Super Bowl ring. One guy (Giunta) has two Super Bowl rings. Our linebackers coach is well known and an excellent linebackers coach. So we just want to fill that defensive line (coach) position with another knowledgeable person that can help us get over the top.”

That would appear to mean that Tom Coughlin is done purging his staff in the wake of the team’s miserable season. He fired defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, whom Fewell replaced. And he also fired defensive line coach Mike Waufle. Coughlin never gave a reason for why Waufle was the only defensive assistant axed, but team sources said it was a combination of the poor performance of the defensive line and a feeling Coughlin had that Waufle had become too close to his players. One source suggested that Waufle was even perceived by some in the organization to be on Osi Umenyiora’s side during the defensive end season-long battle with Coughlin and Sheridan.

Waufle has since been hired to be the new defensive line coach of the Oakland Raiders.

Fewell, who is being held back from the rest of the media until Thursday, didn’t reveal much else during his Sirius interview. He promised an “aggressive” defense, but said it won’t necessarily be the Tampa 2 scheme he ran in Buffalo.

“I like to run a defense that’s multiple,” he said. “Multpile in that they’re fundamentally sound, good tacklers and aggressive. Coverage-wise it can be flexible. It can be Tampa, Cover 2, it can be a lot of different things. But I want to be very flexible and aggressive with what we do.

“I have to find out what the talent level allows me to do. I think we take advantage of what our talent level does. And if it is more of an attacking style, blitz style of defense, that’s what we’ll do.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/01/fewell-says-rest-of-d-staff-is.html#ixzz0dkwNSEvl

[kaution]

giants hire Robert Nunn to coach the Dline.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/01/giants-hire-dl-coach-from-bucs.html

[EL Guapo]

Osi threatens to quit if benched again. Shut up Osi and make sure it doesn't happen.



Osi Umenyiora wants to continue his career with the Giants, but if he doesn’t get his starting job back he’s going to just quit.

In the midst of “the worst offseason of my entire life” that’s what the unhappy defensive end said earlier today during an interview on WFAN. He’s still not happy that he was removed from the starting lineup after the Giants’ Thanksgiving night loss in Denver, and he said he has no interest in that ever happening again.

“I’m not going to be a back up player, I can promise you that,” Umenyiora said. “I’ll stop playing football before I do that ever again. This has been just the worst offseason of my entire life. I can’t even think of a time when things were this bad during the offseason. You’re supposed to be relaxing, but I can’t relax because all I can think of is the things that took place last season, you understand? So for me it’s not something that I’m going to do. If I’m asked to come back there and do that then I’ll just stop playing football.”

Umenyiora, of course, is coming off a tremendously rocky season which began with a one-day walkout after a dispute with former defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, and continued as he struggled to regain his form after missing all of 2008 following knee surgery. His play slipped so far, especially against the run, that he was replaced in the starting lineup by Mathias Kiwanuka for the final weeks of the season.

He was so frustrated, in fact, that he thought his time with the Giants was just about over.

“Did it go through my mind? Obviously, yes,” he said. “Obviously you come through a situation where you’ve been here for a long time and you’ve won Super Bowls, you’ve been to the Pro Bowl a couple of times, then things like that start happening, you start being benched and they say you’re coming in on the third down rush, I think it almost seemed like the writing was on the wall at that particular time. I felt like I had worn out my welcome, because for certain people, no matter what happens, they’ll never take them out of the lineup, you understand what I mean?

“So I felt that way. I felt like maybe it was my last year because of that situation. But you never know man. I hope it’s not. I hope things can be rectified and things can be resolved. But we’ll see.”

Umenyiora is under contract with the Giants through 2012 and team sources have said they have no intention of trading him or releasing him. Umenyiora, however, said at the end of the season that “some things are going to be changed” before he returned to the Giants a happy man.

And the change of defensive coordinators - - from Sheridan to Perry Fewell - - may not be enough, especially since Umenyiora continues to insist that Sheridan wasn’t the source of his problems this season.

“Me and Bill had that one problem, we talked about it, we figured it out,” Umenyiora said. “Throughout the whole season, me and Bill didn’t have another problem at all. It’s surprising to me sometimes when I read some of these things that we butted heads throughout the whole season and we were at odds, because after that one incident me and him didn’t have one problem the rest of the season.”

Umenyiora also again refused to blame Sheridan for the Giants’ worst defensive performance since 1966.

“You can’t blame the defensive coordinator,” he said. “Obviously he made some bad calls, but if he had the players in place I think you can make up for that. But as team we just didn’t play well at all.”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/02/osi-says-hell-quit-if-hes-not.html#ixzz0eVfnUwfs

[tbod10]

I don't want to trade Osi. If he comes into mini-camp this year in shape and ready, than I don't see how they start Kiwi over Osi.

[Ckane138]

Yeah an Osi trade probably isn't going to happen unless he really stirs things up more. The most anyone would give for him is probably a second round pick which certainly isn't worth it

[kaution]

Does Andre Brown make an impact this year coming back from his ruptured Achilles' tendon? or do the giants draft another running back?

[Ckane138]

I think Andre Brown prevents us from considering RB in rounds one or two but if there's value in a late round guy we should grab one.

[tbod10]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/02/ny_giants_kenny_phillips_ahead.html

This is great news for Giants fans. Kenny Phillips should be ready to go by mini-camps and hopefully will be the force that we know he can be at the safety position. While this doesn't mean they don't need to fill depth at safety, they can look to address other needs early in the draft.

[Ckane138]

Giants cut Antonio Pierce:
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/02/ny_giants_release_linebacker_a.html

It sucks to see him leave but you knew this was going to happen either this year or next year. He missed the second half of this year with a neck injury and his play has slipped every year since making the Pro Bowl a few years back. This opens up yet another hole on defense. Worst of all I think, we don't really have a leader on the defensive side of the ball now. I hope we very aggressively pursue Karlos Dansby if he doesn't get franchised.

[kaution]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUnnW3DkaCk

here is the infamous play.

[Ckane138]

I love it. Four on one leads to a one yard gain. For some reason I thought that play was later in the game. I think I'm thinking of a similar play late in the playoff game in Dallas where he made a great tackle in traffic on Witten on the Cowboys final drive. Can't find a clip.

[EAkadima15]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/02/ny_giants_kenny_phillips_ahead.html

This is great news for Giants fans. Kenny Phillips should be ready to go by mini-camps and hopefully will be the force that we know he can be at the safety position. While this doesn't mean they don't need to fill depth at safety, they can look to address other needs early in the draft.

Considering how potentially bad the injury could have been, this is a huge sigh of relief for the secondary next year.

[EL Guapo]

Reese prsss conference. Looks like they will try and make the move of Beatty to LT and Diehl to guard. This is what I would try and do if I could but its; risk. I exepected a re-shuffling of the O-line after last year, they might bring seombody new in. I would read the rest of the article, there is some interesting stuff.


And right now, the team’s general manager is seeing some interesting competition on the offensive line that could result in a shuffling of the personnel.

“You like for guys to be together for a while. For the last two or three years, we’ve had that same group,” Reese said Saturday in a brief session with reporters after his press conference here at the NFL scouting combing. “You get spoiled when you have a group together for three or four years. It may be a transition time for us.”

The key to the transition appears to be last year’s second-round pick William Beatty.

As a rookie, Beatty was forced into plenty of duty because of a few injuries to right tackle Kareem McKenzie. He played very well at times but struggled down the stretch against the Panthers’ Julius Peppers and the Vikings’ Ray Edwards. Still, Reese saw enough from Beatty to warrant a legitimate shot at a starting position – including the spot at left tackle currently occupied by David Diehl.

“We think Beatty has a left-tackle skill set,” Reese said of Beatty, who made four starts last season. “He played quite a bit for us and did a pretty good job in there for a young player. There will be some competition at that left tackle spot for us. … He showed he has a toughness to play that spot. He has the athletic skill set to play that spot, so it’ll be interesting to see how that unfolds.”

If Beatty beats out Diehl for the left-tackle spot, that will allow Diehl to slide to either left guard (in place of Rich Seubert) or right tackle, where he started in 2004 and where some believe he’ll be most comfortable.

And Reese left the door open to a possible addition from the outside.

“Somebody might come out and a new guy might come in,” Reese said. “We’ll try to get the unit together as quickly as possible so they start working together.”



http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/02/ny_giants_general_manager_sees.html

[tbod10]

Ok, now that I'm done with the CMD on this forum, I say we get some good Giants off-season discussion going.

As of right now, this is my off-season wish list:

1. Give up 3rd Round pick for Kirk Morrison. He'll only be 28 when the season starts and is a very solid MLB. Definitely better talent than the Giants can find in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

2. Look into signing Antrelle Rolle. Don't overpay for him, but if you can get him for a fair price, take him. Pairing him and KP together back there would be a nasty duo.

3. Brian Price in the 1st Round. They need depth at the DT position and we don't know how Jay Alford will be next season after his surgery. They need to get another good DT on their roster.

4. CB in the 2nd Round. If they sign Rolle, then I want them to go after a CB in the 2nd round perhaps. If somebody like Kyle Wilson is miraculously still sitting there, jump on him.


Thoughts? Other suggestions?

[EL Guapo]

That’s pretty much what I would do, it’s not too expensive and it fills needs. I like the idea of addressing the safety position in free agency. It would leave a big hole before the draft with how non competitive the safeties were last year. I know KP is back but he’s coming off that injury and I want Michal Johnson as a backup. It would allow them to take Price while having DT’s that can play if Price needs some time. Morrison would fill another huge hole, I don’t think the Giants can pass up this opportunity. It would change everything not getting him.

I think the Giants are okay at corner but I would understand the pick if they already got the previous players mentioned. Ross is always hurt and Webster struggled a little, but I remember him getting helped off the field a few times in the second half of the year. I think he’ll bounce back and I like Thomas. They still need another one with Dockery gone. It would probably be hard to upgrade their O-line at this point but they could use some depth, but that could be done in the other rounds.

[giantsfanmike]

I'd agree with you both. I also think Ross has been a disappointment, although not quite a bust. Injury aside I think hes been relatively poor when hes played and Terrell Thomas is a better corner. I actually think his tools are better suited to the Safety position as he doesn't have the greatest hips and speed for a corner.

We shouldn't rush Phillips back as much as we need him and I think we need at least one veteran linebacker. I'd be more than happy with Kirk Morrison. I'm not sure we go with a DT in the first round as much I'd like one. We spent a good bit of money there last off-season so I'm not convinced that the FO will go out and remedy that straight away. For what its worth I think Canty could be a good player for us, Alford and Cofield like wise. Bernard and Robbins can go as far as I'm concerned.

We need at least one new starting safety. Another corner, and at least one new linebacker.

Don't think we'll draft a running back either.

[tbod10]

The only thing about the DT is, I think they realize that it should be a position where we need some depth. I think they are going into the season planning on having Canty and Cofield starting. Robbins is probably gone and Bernard might get cut, but even if he doesn't we can't depend on him the way he played last year. And even with Alford coming back, he tore 2 ligaments in his knee and I think there's been enough examples in the past few years to show that it takes more than a year to truly regain your from major knee sugery. That's the reasons I think we're going to need to take a DT early in the draft. Not necessarily in the 1st round, but I'd say with one of our first 2 picks.

[kaution]

With the signing of Antrel Rolle saftey is no longer a dire need for the giants.Maybe someone in the lower rounds to back up Kp and Aroll,someone like robert johnson out of Utah.

So with the 15th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the New York Football Giants select.............?

also so one more thing I want Jamar Chaney if he is available in the second round.

[EL Guapo]

Getting Morrison will make the decision a lot easier. It looks like MLB or DT in the first.

[kaution]

morrison isnt really the smash mouth MLB that the giants need, but if they got him it would be and improvement over the current situation.

[Ckane138]

I still really want McClain at 15 overall. With Denver likely to lose Marshall they're probably going to take Bryant and with Miami out of the mix after getting Dansby I think we can get him fairly easily but I would not be opposed if we go for Morrison instead.

[tbod10]

With the Dolphins signing Dansby, it gives us a legit shot at getting McClain with that 1st Round pick. I hope that they're able to get him as he has the potential to be an excellent player.

In terms of the Rolle signing, I'm not happy that they overpaid for him, but he's a very talented safety and him and Kenny Phillips could for the best safety duo in the league. I still wouldn't be surprised to see them take a safety in Round 2 or 3 if one of the guys falls farther than he should. A player like Myron Rolle is a possibility in Round 3.

[EL Guapo]

Mclain would be nice, and so would a couple of more players from this draft but they can’t keep doing these big signings. Try and think of Rolle like the Mckenzie signing, something they had to do because of how bad it was. I know RT is more important. Kareem has that big cap number coming off the books next year which will help. If Beatty can play one of the tackle spots, that would be huge for them because money has to go into the O-line if you need it to.

[kaution]

Mclain would be nice, and so would a couple of more players from this draft but they can’t keep doing these big signings. Try and think of Rolle like the Mckenzie signing, something they had to do because of how bad it was. I know RT is more important. Kareem has that big cap number coming off the books next year which will help. If Beatty can play one of the tackle spots, that would be huge for them because money has to go into the O-line if you need it to.

I think he proved alot last year when he played.

ALSO: Matt has the giants passing on McClian in favor of derrick morgan which is very stupid.

[EL Guapo]

The $5 million bonus helps the annual salary.


Here's a breakdown of S Antrel Rolle's contract:
Base salaries:
2010: $4.750 million (fully guaranteed)
2011: $5.250m (fully guaranteed)
2012: $6.750m
2013: $7m
2014: $7m
Signing bonus: $5 million
Workout bonuses: $250k per year
Add it all up and you get the $37 million with $15 million guaranteed that's been reported. (In addition, Rolle has Pro Bowl incentives of $100k per year. Those incentives aren't included when talking about the standard value of a contract. But they're certainly there to be earned.)

[Ckane138]

With the Dolphins signing Dansby, it gives us a legit shot at getting McClain with that 1st Round pick. I hope that they're able to get him as he has the potential to be an excellent player.

In terms of the Rolle signing, I'm not happy that they overpaid for him, but he's a very talented safety and him and Kenny Phillips could for the best safety duo in the league. I still wouldn't be surprised to see them take a safety in Round 2 or 3 if one of the guys falls farther than he should. A player like Myron Rolle is a possibility in Round 3.

The Kampman signing was annoying because it took away Jacksonville's biggest need and put them in the running to take McClain ahead of us. Other than them I don't see how else McClain doesn't make his way to us barring a trade up. McClain has to be our number one target at this point barring some weird scenario where a top ten player falls hard.

I heard the Giants linked to three other safeties (Sharper, Otogwe and Bethea) in case the Rolle deal didn't work out so you know safety was a huge priority for them which makes me think you may be right about taking another safety in the early to middle rounds. Even with Phillips coming back Michael Johnson is as average as his name and we could use some additional depth at the position.

[Ckane138]

Unimportant yet interesting storyline: Antrel Rolle will wear number #26 in honor of Sean Taylor (who wore #26 at Miami). His number with the Cards was #21, which Kenny Phillips owns also in honor of Sean Taylor.

[Ckane138]

Giants signed Jim Sorgi as a backup QB to compete with Rhett Bomar. I would have liked someone with starting experience who we know can at least be a game manager in the worst case scenario if Eli goes down for one or more full games.

[tbod10]

Just have to pray that Eli continues to stay healthy and even when dinged up, isn't injured enough to have to sit out.

I'm really anxious to see how the rest of this off-season plays out. Do the Giants go after Kirk Morrison or pray that Rolando McClain falls to them? If he doesn't, do they trust Goff enough to get the job done or do they go after Daryl Washington or Sean Lee in the later rounds? What happens with the OL this year? Does McKenzie find himself on the bench and Beatty in the starting lineup?

[EL Guapo]

I would have liked a qb that actually played too.

Right tbod, the questions now are what they do with MLB and the O-line. My guess is there will be two linebackers valued high enough for them to take in the first round and they will take one of them, unless they get Morrison. If not, they still draft one later to compete with Goff.

[kaution]

Does anyone know what the tender on David Hawthorne is?
cant seem to find it anywhere.

[EL Guapo]

Does anyone know what the tender on David Hawthorne is?
cant seem to find it anywhere.

An exclusive rights tender


Also, the Seahawks placed an exclusive rights tender on linebacker David Hawthorne. Because Hawthorne has only two years of experience in the league, he is not eligible to sign with another NFL team. His only options are to sign the tender or try to negotiate a better contract.

[McNulty]

Guapo are you Giants and a Jets fan?

[EL Guapo]

A Giants fan my whole life. I get to watch the Jets and hear about them so I know their team. I root for them to win but don’t really care if they lose.

[Ckane138]

I'm kind of the same way with the 49ers. I originally became a Giants fan because I hated the way the Raiders were run and couldn't get behind a team whose front office I dislike, and I didn't want to jump on the 49ers bandwagon just because I couldn't stand how arrogant the fans were. After a few years of less than mediocrity, the fans have kind of calmed down so I can sort of support them less painfully. I know the team well and I'll root for them when I'm forced to watch them, but I'm not emotionally attached to them one bit like I am to the Giants.

[EL Guapo]

The Giants addressed their top need in free agency by signing safety Antrel Rolle. Now, there's only one glaring hole on their defense that's yet to be filled: middle linebacker.

One of the candidates to plug that gap is Raiders linebacker Kirk Morrison, a restricted free agent who appears obtainable because of a low tender that would net Oakland only a third-round pick if another team lures him away.

Morrison was a guest of Adam Schein and Solomon Wilcots today on "The Sirius Blitz" on Sirius NFL Radio. When pressed by Schein on whether the Giants are pursuing him, Morrison wouldn't bite, though he did say there are a few teams who are interested in his services.

"I'm technically an Oakland Raider still. That's No. 1," Morrison said. "But at the same time, you have to explore your options for the future, for the long term. There are some teams out there that would be a good fit, I feel like. But we just have to wait and see."

Morrison declined to name those teams right now. I'd have a hard time believing the Giants wouldn't be one of them. I'd think they would have at least had preliminary discussions with Morrison's agent, Bruce Tollner, who said earlier Thursday there's nothing to report.

"There are some teams we're looking at and we've talked to," Morrison said. "Hopefully, in the next couple of weeks we can get something done ... either with the Raiders or with other teams. I know next year I'm going to be playing football. I just want to make sure I'm in the best, most comfortable position I can be in."

Morrison, 28, is scheduled to earn $2.521 million if he signs his tender and remains with the Raiders this season. Morrison said he wasn't surprised he received such a low tender nor did he seem to hold any ill will toward the Raiders.

Not even for the 20-60 record they'd compiled during his tenure in Oakland.

"The biggest thing is I just want to go out and win," Morrison said when asked what he'd be looking for in a a new team, should he decide to go that route. "Get into a situation that puts you in the best opportunity to win football games. Being in this league for five years already and losing more games than you win week in and week out, it's hard to play at the kind of level that you want to being on the losing end. But you never give up your effort, you never give up who you are as a football player.

"That's something that you look at. You look at the leadership roles around the league with other teams and you just want to find a place you can fit and say, 'Hey, I'll come in, do my job and do whatever I can to help this team win. ... You definitely want to be able to get paid, but I think in the end you want to get what you deserve. And I feel like I'm very deserving of that. I just want to find a place where everything is going to be okay

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/oakland_raiders_linebacker_kir.html

[kaution]

Is Andra Davis worth a look at MLB in a 4-3?

[Ckane138]

Is Andra Davis worth a look at MLB in a 4-3?

He played well in the 4-3 in Cleveland, but that was over five years ago. He's 31 so at this point he'd only be a one or two year band-aid if we can't land a young player. I think some 3-4 team is going to overpay him though.

[tbod10]

I've heard rumblings that the Giants are going to give Gerris Wilkinson a look at MLB this off-season. If the guy has found a way to stay healthy, I think it can work because he really is a tremendous athlete. It's never been about his ability, it's been about his ability to stay healthy.

[PeteDahhSneak]

I've heard rumblings that the Giants are going to give Gerris Wilkinson a look at MLB this off-season. If the guy has found a way to stay healthy, I think it can work because he really is a tremendous athlete. It's never been about his ability, it's been about his ability to stay healthy.

There was a report on scout.com that said something about that 3-4 weeks ago.

[kaution]

Am so frustrated with Gerris Wilkinson its not even funny, the guy has all the pyhsical tools to be a great player but every year he gets hurt so disappointing.

[Ckane138]

Giants and Jets will flip a coin to decide who gets to open up the new stadium:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4993554

I'm still upset they got the last game at the old one, but now they have a 50/50 shot at the first game in the new stadium? Did they rename it Jets Stadium or something? Hopefully we win this toss.

[kaution]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/15/report-giants-win-secret-coin-toss-woody-johnson-outraged/

The giants win the toss woot!!!!!!

And woody johnson is hella pissed about it.

[Ckane138]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/15/report-giants-win-secret-coin-toss-woody-johnson-outraged/

The giants win the toss woot!!!!!!

And woody johnson is hella pissed about it.

Awesome. We have to get the Sunday night game week one. The NFL probably will give us the Cowboys and build up the storyline of us winning the first game in their house. Another intriguing possibility would be the Panthers who obviously debacled us in the final game at the old Giants Stadium. Of course the Eagles would be a good pick as well but I think the NFL likes to save that matchup for later on in the season.

[big blue monster]

Is Andra Davis worth a look at MLB in a 4-3?

Isn't Chase Blackburn worth a shot at the middle linebacker position ? A heck of a special teams tackler , Chase has not been given the chance to excel in a role in which he is probably meant to surpass expectations. So he isn't as fast as he should be , but I would give him a shot to be a pleasant surprise in the middle of the field . Just throwing it out there. I know he has the heart to hit them hard in run defense.

[kaution]

Isn't Chase Blackburn worth a shot at the middle linebacker position ? A heck of a special teams tackler , Chase has not been given the chance to excel in a role in which he is probably meant to surpass expectations. So he isn't as fast as he should be , but I would give him a shot to be a pleasant surprise in the middle of the field . Just throwing it out there. I know he has the heart to hit them hard in run defense.

To put it simple NO.

Chase Blackburn is an special team ace and nothing else.

[EL Guapo]

Can Weatherspoon play middle linebacker? I see all the Giants fans wanting him if MCclain isn't there. I don't think we should draft a SAM that's off the field half the time, especially after just drafting Sintim. He needs to be able to play the middle.

[mpg1995]

Can Weatherspoon play middle linebacker? I see all the Giants fans wanting him if MCclain isn't there. I don't think we should draft a SAM that's off the field half the time, especially after just drafting Sintim. He needs to be able to play the middle.

I'm willing to bet he can. Hes that good.

[Ckane138]

I'm willing to bet he can. Hes that good.

Eww someone kick tell the smelly Eagles fan to get out of our thread :D

I like Weatherspoon as a MLB. He's got good MLB size and the speed and range to cover. The only problem is that he's not particularly strong against the run, but that's very coachable. He's probably number three on my wish list after McClain and Haden.

[kaution]

Eww someone kick tell the smelly Eagles fan to get out of our thread :D

I like Weatherspoon as a MLB. He's got good MLB size and the speed and range to cover. The only problem is that he's not particularly strong against the run, but that's very coachable. He's probably number three on my wish list after McClain and Haden.

Why do you want haden we have 3 very good CB's and a soild 4 th CB in BJ, if anything the giants shouldn't draft a CB till round 4 where some solid guys will still be a available.

[Ckane138]

I'm not a fan of Aaron Ross. He was awful in 2008 and barely played last year which leaves me no reason to believe he's going to turn it around and pick up where he left off his rookie year. Corner would be more of a luxury, BPA pick to add some needed depth if McClain's not there. I only mentioned it since I've been reading different draft sites and seeing people with varying opinions on him which leads me to think he could be there even though the mocks on this site say he won't make it out of the top ten.

[kaution]

I'm not a fan of Aaron Ross. He was awful in 2008 and barely played last year which leaves me no reason to believe he's going to turn it around and pick up where he left off his rookie year. Corner would be more of a luxury, BPA pick to add some needed depth if McClain's not there. I only mentioned it since I've been reading different draft sites and seeing people with varying opinions on him which leads me to think he could be there even though the mocks on this site say he won't make it out of the top ten.

I believe that Ross will get it together this year, he has to because the number 2 CB spot isnt his outright he will have to bring it to win it form TT in the preseason.

[Ckane138]

I'm not as optimistic, but I hope he proves me wrong. The more I think about it, he does fit in Fewell's scheme much better than he fit in Spags/Sheridan's scheme. I still would love to have Haden if he's there and we can't fill a need at MLB in the first.

[tbod10]

We'll know how the Giants feel about Ross based on the early rounds of the draft. If a CB is taken within the 1st 2 rounds, I think Ross job is at stake.

If Weatherspoon can play MLB, than I'm all for drafting him. I love his athletic ability and personality.

This is Jerry Reese's time to shine. This is where he's been a home run hitter for the Giants. The draft he's done so well in, but FA he's never landed the true stud. The draft is where he makes his paycheck. I'll trust all the moves he makes until he gives me reason not to when it comes to drafting.

[EL Guapo]

Some news. Osi showed up


Jerry Reese said yesterday that he expects Osi Umenyiora will be back with the Giants.

Apparently he already is.

Umenyiora is attending the offseason workout program and doing so “with a smile on his face,” Tom Coughlin said today, according to a report from Newsday (via Twitter). That’s the first evidence that the 28-year-old disgruntled defensive end has decided to attend the program and possibly even resolved his issues with the team.

Coughlin confirmed Umenyiora’s presence during the NFC coaches breakfast this morning at the NFL owners meetings in Orlando. There has been no media access to the offseason program yet, so no one has verified Umenyiora’s attendance (The first access day is tomorrow). However, a couple of players have told me that Umenyiora has been in the New York area for the last few weeks, so it seemed logical that he would be in town for that.

***

The Twitter account of Coughlin’s interview from Newsday’s Bob Glauber included several other interesting nuggets: The report said Coughlin was “impressed” Rolando McClain at his Pro Day and even spoke to Nick Saban about him. It said S Kenny Phillips is still limited, but Coughlin is “hopeful” he’ll be ready for the start of the season (not camp, but the season … which is alarming in itself). And it said that Coughlin expects to hold training camp back in Albany this year because he prefers holding camp out of town.

Reese on the radio


Osi Umenyiora may have spent the last few months venting his frustration over his situation with the Giants, but GM Jerry Reese isn’t worried. And he expects Umenyiora to be with the Giants in 2010.

That’s not a surprise, especially since Tom Coughlin said the same back at the combine, but Reese confirmed it this afternoon from the NFL owners meetings in Orlando, where he agreed to a brief interview with Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan on Sirius NFL Radio’s Movin’ The Chains. Reese said Umenyiora’s unhappiness is nothing but “offseason chatter,” which he’s been through before.

“Well, you know, if you guys can remember, when I first got hired as GM, Michael Strahan came in and said ‘You know what? I’m not playing,’” Reese said. “So I’ve been through that from the very beginning. I call it ‘offseason chatter.’ Almost every team there’s one or two players you hear some chatter in that respect.

“Osi and I had some good conversations. I expect Osi to be back and be a huge part of what we’re doing.”

Umenyiora, of course, may not feel the same way. During several interviews during Super Bowl week in South Florida, the unhappy defensive end insisted he’d quit if he didn’t get his starting job back - - a job he lost late last season. He has since met with both Reese and Coughlin and told them as much.

Despite rampant speculation that the 28-year-old’s days with the Giants are numbered, several team sources have expressed confidence that Umenyiora will eventually calm down. The team appears to have no interest in trading him, despite his displeasure with what happened last year.

Reese, during the brief interview, also addressed several other topics:

• Remember last offseason when everyone thought the Giants were desperate for a receiver, but Reese kept insisting he had enough good receivers on his roster already? Well, despite what appears to be a gaping hole at middle linebacker, he’s starting to say the same things about that position too - - a possible indication that the solution to the Giants’ linebacking problems may come from within.

“Well, I think there’s good players in the draft at that position, but we think we have some players on our team,” Reese said. “Last year everybody said ‘You need receivers, you need receivers …’ I said ‘We have some young receivers, let’s see what they can do.’ (At linebacker) we have Gerris Wilkinson, Clint Sintim, Jon Goff, Bryan Kehl. We have some guys on the roster right now we hope will step up. But we’ll continue to look for that position in free agency and the draft.”

• Jy Bond, the punter the Giants signed last week kicked with both legs during his tryout for the Giants. “It was true,” Reese said. “First time I’ve ever seen it. I thought he was just messing around. I said ‘Is this guy kidding?’ He kicks with his left foot on the pooch punts and he kicks with his right foot when he spirals the thing. He’s different, but he’s got a powerful leg. We’ll see what he can do.”

• Reese said S Kenny Phillips, who is still rehabbing from knee surgery, is “close” to a return to the field. “He feels like he can start running right now,” Reese said. “But we’re taking him slow. We don’t want him to have any setbacks. But he looks good.”

• Reese said it’s “crucial” that last year’s free agents - - LB Michael Boley, DT Chris Canty and DT Rocky Bernard - - step up and play much better in 2010. “We went out and spent a lot of money in free agency and we thought we had some good players. Most of them are healthy (now). Michael Boley had two surgeries during the season. Canty had a surgery. Rocky Bernard had a torn labrum. We had a bunch of injured guys last year, so hopefully they’ll be healthy and ready to go. We expect them to be that way so we can get back on track.”

• Reese again said that he expects T William Beatty to compete for a starting job, though he did not say on which side (at the combine he indicated he’d compete with David Diehl on the left). “Well you know what? He played a couple of games for us and he really showed us some things we didn’t expect,” Reese said. “We really thought he’d be a redshirt guy, basically have a year to get in the weight room and do some things for us in that respect. But we had to throw him in the fire a couple of times and he stepped right in and did some nice things for us. We expect him to challenge for one of the spots there.”



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/#ixzz0j6d2s6tp

[Hunter]

Antonio Pierce is giving a great interview on Jim Rome is Burning right now. I've just gained a lot of respect for him as a player.

[Ckane138]

Antonio Pierce is giving a great interview on Jim Rome is Burning right now. I've just gained a lot of respect for him as a player.

Damn I wish I caught that. I almost never watch Jim Rome (because he's a douchebag) but I've been watching it lately out of boredom. Pierce has always been a great person and a great leader.

[Hunter]

Damn I wish I caught that. I almost never watch Jim Rome (because he's a douchebag) but I've been watching it lately out of boredom. Pierce has always been a great person and a great leader.

Agreed. It has one of the best formats of all the shows on ESPN, but I can't stand him. I would love it if Wilbon hosted that show.

Pierce was talking a little about what teams he might try and play for next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the Rams.

[Ckane138]

Agreed. It has one of the best formats of all the shows on ESPN, but I can't stand him. I would love it if Wilbon hosted that show.

Pierce was talking a little about what teams he might try and play for next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the Rams.

Probably not the Rams with Laurinaitis there unless he's willing to take a backup role. It's hard to find a 4-3 team needing a MLB that's on the brink of contending though. The Jags are the only one that comes to mind, but it makes me think he's going to catch on with a 3-4 team or find a place in a rotation with a team like the Eagles or Vikings.

[kaution]

Everyone should check this out couple of good articles today.

http://www.nj.com/giants/

Looks like its gonna be a "Dog fight " for the left tackle spot,I hope Beatty wins so Diehl can go back to playing LG,
his feet are way to SLOW to play LT at a above average pace anymore.

[Ckane138]

The one about Osi had an interesting part where Reese compared our issues at MLB this year to WR last year where we have some guys with upside that just haven't broken out yet and that's why they haven't gone nuts in free agency (Dansby/Morrison). It'll be interesting to see how that applies to the draft because last year we took Nicks in the first but that might have just been because the WR position requires multiple players. So since we only need one MLB (essentially), do we take one high in the draft if we already have some guys that could fill the hole (according to Reese)?

[Hunter]

Probably not the Rams with Laurinaitis there unless he's willing to take a backup role. It's hard to find a 4-3 team needing a MLB that's on the brink of contending though. The Jags are the only one that comes to mind, but it makes me think he's going to catch on with a 3-4 team or find a place in a rotation with a team like the Eagles or Vikings.

I was assuming he would play on the outside if he went to St. Louis, but I have no idea if he has the skills set to do that.

[Ckane138]

Just listened to a bunch of player interviews from the main website:
http://www.giants.com/multimedia/

Nothing really groundbreaking but here's a few things that stuck out to me:

Jay Alford claims to be a hundred percent, but the training staff still want him to take it easy.
Eli said attendance at voluntary workouts was irregularly high, which is a great sign.
A couple defensive players said they still aren't sure what to expect with the scheme saying they haven't really done more than meet and greet with Perry Fewell to this point. I don't know if this is irregular or not but I would think it's a good idea to at least work on getting to know the playbook or their roles in the defense.
Shaun O'Hara, who is the Giants union rep, addressed the potential lockout in 2011 saying that he thinks it's going to get dragged out and if something gets worked out it will likely be an eleventh hour deal.

[kaution]

Apparently Eli throwing the ball was part of the giants downfall according to Mel kiper.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12419/video-on-the-clock-new-york-giants

this whole thing fails.

[Ckane138]

Yeah I saw that this morning and didn't understand that. We were the third worst scoring defense and in the bottom half of the league running the ball yet still managed to go 8-8. How is that the QB's fault?

Anyways McClain will visit the Giants sometime before the draft (can't find the exact date). Also the Giants will also work out Adrian Tracy whose a DE from William and Mary (projected 5th to 6th rounder), and also attended Anthony Davis' private workout today. I'm guessing looking at Davis is nothing more than them covering all their bases and/or they had nothing better to do so they made the short trip to Rutgers.

Anyone else know of the Giants showing special interest/working out particular prospects?

[kaution]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/giants_2010_preseason_schedule.html

A list of all the preseason opponents.

First game in the New stadium will be Giants vs Jets.

[kaution]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/giants_to_host_university_of_h.html

Giants to host Fendi Onobun ,former Arizona basketball player.

He looked ok comfortable catching the ball and has great size 6'6 252 with good speed 4.48 40yard dash.

[EL Guapo]

Giants signed Deon Grant and cut CC. Good insurance for Kenny

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/04/giants-sign-safety-deon-grant.html

[Cicero]

He's still a decent coverage guy and I'm still scratching my head as to why he was cut.

[Iceman778]

I think the basic thing is an extra million per game played in Baltimore or something.

[Ckane138]

We resigned Jeff Feagles yesterday. which is a meh move. He had some bad punts towards the end of the year which would have made me think we're done with him, but I guess it's good to have his veteran presence back in the locker room.

Also I'm reading that Coughlin was at JPP's Pro Day, which makes me nervous but hopefully he was just scouting other USF players.

Also tbod I think Mike Garafolo debacled you on Twitter, lol.

NJ_Giants
In the process of trying to figure out what his tweet means. RT @TimBoddie so Danny Clark is still in the team? #nyg

[kaution]

I think the basic thing is an extra million per game played in Baltimore or something.

um WTF?

[tbod10]

We resigned Jeff Feagles yesterday. which is a meh move. He had some bad punts towards the end of the year which would have made me think we're done with him, but I guess it's good to have his veteran presence back in the locker room.

Also I'm reading that Coughlin was at JPP's Pro Day, which makes me nervous but hopefully he was just scouting other USF players.

Also tbod I think Mike Garafolo debacled you on Twitter, lol.



Haha, while I didn't even realize until you found it that my tweet makes no sense since I used "in" instead of "on", Garafolo was actually saying he was trying to figure out what Danny Clark's twitter account was talking about because he had something along the lines of, "Going to workout at the NYG's complex!"

I was trying to see if he was on the team still or not. So, while it seems like he's trying to debacle me, he was really just trying to find out if Danny Clark was about to sign a new contract with the NYG or not, haha.

[Ckane138]

Lol, gotcha. That makes more sense since it shouldn't have been too hard to see what you meant to say.

[EL Guapo]

Bad Tiki



Ex-Giants superstar Tiki Barber dumped his eight-months-pregnant wife Ginny for former NBC intern Traci Lynn Johnson, according to sources cited in the New York Post Wednesday.

The football star-turned-NBC Today show-correspondent left his wife of 11 years for the 23-year-old blonde, who also worked at the network's headquarters, sources said.

Ginny Barber, who is expecting twins, found out about the relationship late last year after the run-around running back moved out of their home in Manhattan's Upper East Side.

Johnson, a model-thin bombshell, was photographed sitting next to Tiki last month at a Washington, D.C., screening of a documentary on Senegal that he hosted for the Travel Channel. Sources believe Johnson also accompanied Tiki to Senegal for the filming late last year, when Ginny was three months pregnant.

The affair is particularly stunning in light of the athlete's long-standing disdain for his philandering father.

"I don't give a (bleep) that the relationship didn't work," he said of his parents' split in a 2004 interview with the Post. "Not only did he abandon her, I felt like he abandoned us for a lot of our lives. I have a hard time forgiving that."

His confidants were shocked.

"He was always the nice guy with a million-dollar smile," a family friend said.

Tiki Barber, who reportedly relocated to an Upper West Side bachelor pad, released a statement Tuesday in response to a Post report announcing the split.

"After 11 years of marriage, Ginny and I have decided to separate," he said.

"This decision was a painful one, but we are moving forward amicably and will continue to work together to raise our children with the love and dedication they have always known."

His spokesman declined to comment.

Ginny Barber is a former fashion publicist and full-time mom to the couple's two sons -- A.J., 7, and Chason, 6. She, too, declined to comment.

Johnson could be seen posing with a smiling gal pal in a pic on her MySpace page. The two are wearing red short shorts and Giants jerseys emblazoned with Barber's No. 21.

Tiki and Ginny Barber began dating 16 years ago when both were students at the University of Virginia.

[kaution]

I saw this a couple of days ago,but it was a small article which didn't mention the other woman,if the part about the other woman is true then ill lose all respect for Tiki as a person.

[Ckane138]

Couple big draft notes from Mike Garafolo. He said on NFLN's beat writer mock that he has reason to believe the Giants are willing to trade up for McClain(there's a thread in the main forum with a link). Also he tweeted that he's heard absolutely nothing about Sean Weatherspoon to the Giants:

Heard absolutely nothing at all on him. RT @jlukes7: Any Giants' draft board rumblings about LB Sean Weatherspoon? #nyg

[EL Guapo]

The Giants could be a player away if things break right so I understand trading up in the first with the few holes they have, but I would love more good players from the draft. It's gives us more flexibility in the future.

[EL Guapo]

Free-agent guard Darnell Stapleton, who started for the Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl championship team two years ago, visited the Giants earlier this week, according to a report on Scout.com.

The 24-year-old lineman spent all of last season on injured reserve after undergoing surgery on his right knee in August. He was scheduled to be a restricted free agent this year, but became unrestricted when the Steelers did not tender him an offer.

The 6-3, 305-pound Stapleton was originally an undrafted free agent out of Rutgers in 2007. The Union, N.J. native was the Steelers’ backup center in 2008 until starting guard Kendall Simmons landed on injured reserve. Stapleton stepped in and started 12 regular season games, plus all the games during the Steelers’ playoff run.

The Giants definitely have an interest in adding depth - - and youth - - to the interior of their offensive line. Center Shaun O’Hara is coming off a Pro Bowl season, but he turns 33 in June. Left guard Rich Seubert just turned 31 and battled injuries all last season. The Giants primary backup inside is 26-year-old Kevin Boothe. They are also pondering moving David Diehl to left guard in place of Seubert if second-year pro William Beatty is able to beat out Diehl for the left tackle job this summer.

If Stapleton is healthy, he could be a very low-risk signing for the Giants, and could prove to be valuable given his experience and his versatility.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/04/giants-reportedly-eyeing-guard.html#ixzz0kc9HG659

[tbod10]

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/giantsblog/giants_phillips_confident_he_ll_yrqc5bEpN8k0yWPRUL q1xL

A good post on Kenny Phillips recovery and his mind set. This is extremely good news for the Giants.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/eli_osi_all_talk_vZYD65YB8Eyd5mSDLBuwMN

An article on Eli talking about the Osi situation. Another bit of good news for the Giants with Eli coming out and shooting down the rumors of an Osi trade.


Surprising that these articles come from the NY Post. I normally don't find too many good and well written articles on any of the sports teams in the paper.

[Ckane138]

Garafolo tweeted this earlier which I thought was interesting:

Curious why more #NYG predraft visits haven't been reported? It's bc the team scared the bejesus (cap "J"?) out of every agent in the biz. Threatened to cancel visits and all that good stuff if the agents let the cat out of the bag about their clients visiting. Oh well. #nyg

I never realized the Giants were this secretive about their draft plans, but I like this despite not knowing what's gonna happen at all.

[EL Guapo]

If they don't get or take McClain or Spoon, I don't see the MLB position working out like the receiver position last year. Safety play and a healthy D-line could make up a lot of what happened last year but a MLB would be nice. This is an interesting draft, it looks like they won't do anything else before it.

[tbod10]

If they don't go with McClain or Spoon if they're there, I'd like to see them take a chance on Sean Lee in Round 3 perhaps to challenge for the MLB spot.

[Ckane138]

McClain is starting to remind me of Kenny Phillips a few years ago where he's the obvious pick if he's there, but if not it's really wide open.

[EL Guapo]

I would call the Tampa owner and see if he wants to pay Ruud or not. He's cheap, maybe he doesn't want pay and lose him for nothing next year. I might get hung up on, but I'll call.

[Ckane138]

I would call the Tampa owner and see if he wants to pay Ruud or not. He's cheap, maybe he doesn't want pay and lose him for nothing next year. I might get hung up on, but I'll call.

By that exact same logic I'd say contact the Bills about Paul Posluzney. He's entering a contract year so if the Bills feel they can't retain him moving forward that would make sense. It's a pipe dream, but it'd be a slam dunk deal.

[tbod10]

But the thing with Poz is he's comin off a knee injury. I'd still call the damn Raiders about Kirk Morrison. He seems like he'd be a decent fit for Fewell's defense and they Giants wouldn't have to give up that much to get him.

[giantsfan6017]

Sun Tan Man thinks were taking G Mike Iupati at No.15. What. The. ****?

[Ckane138]

I guess you can somewhat justify taking a guard (Beatty at LT, Diehl at RT, Iupati at LG), but I haven't even seen his mock and I can guarantee there's at least one player available that meets 15th overall value would fill a bigger need, which is close to Reese's MO.

[EL Guapo]

Could be interest in JPP. Giant visits from Garafolo:

In my list of player visits the other day, I forgot to include Houston TE Fendi Onobun, whose visit was revealed a few weeks ago. So let’s do a comprehensive list of official, non-local visits based on Monday’s entry as well as those listed above. Here’s what we have, and remember the Giants are allowed a maximum of 30 official visits:

Penn State LB Navorro Bowman
Memphis WR Duke Calhoun
Nebraska LB Phillip Dillard
North Alabama LB Michael Johnson
LSU S Chad Jones
Penn State LB Sean Lee
Alabama LB Rolando McClain
Houston TE Fendi Onobun
Indiana (Pa.) S/KR Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul
Wisonsin LB O’Brien Schofield
Iowa CB Amari Spievey
Buffalo RB James Starks
William & Mary DE Adrian Tracy
Wyoming DE Mitch Unrein
Hillsdale OT Jared Veldheer

12:39 p.m. UPDATE Add another name: Division II Hillsdale OT Jared Veldheer, who wrote in his draft journal he visited the Giants. Veldheer is a very, very interesting prospect because he's making a huge jump to the NFL yet is projected to be drafted somewhere around the third round. He didn't allow a sack in college, which you'd better do if you're drafted at such a level after playing at such an obscure program. The Giants always say they want to see such players dominate at those levels, like Kevin Boss did at Western Oregon.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/04/south_florida_defensive_end_ja.html

[Ckane138]

I dug up this article which talks about the Giants hosting a local "mini-combine" of local players whose visits don't count against the team's 30 maximum visits:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/04/local-prospects-get-chance-to.html

Virginia LB Denzel Burrell (South Orange, NJ)
William & Mary S David Caldwell (Montclair, NJ)
Virginia DT Nate Collins (Port Chester, NY)
Rutgers FB Jack Corcoran
Rutgers LB Ryan D’Imperio
Rutgers TE Shamar Graves
Rutgers T Kevin Haslam
Penn State LB Jerome Hayes (Bayonne, NJ)
Kean University (Union, NJ) DT Darryl Jackson
Rutgers S Zaire Kitchen
William & Mary DT Sean Lissemore (Dumont, NJ)
Temple TE Steve Maneri (Saddlebrook, NJ)
Notre Dame C Eric Olsen (Staten Island, NY)
Stony Brook (NY) DT Chris Perri
Buffalo TE Jesse Rack (Maspeth, NY)
Duke LB Vincent Rey (Far Rockaway, NY)
Monmouth (NJ) University RB Dave Sinisi


These are mostly late round guys so this is just the Giants digging for some diamonds in the rough, but it might be worth keeping on eye out for these names on draft day.

[EL Guapo]

Mort thinks Osi might be traded. He says Fins, Rams, and Panthers ar interested.. I figured Rams and Panther. Probably just a pick and would never get Beason. I love Deangelo though but that probably won't happen. I know we would have to give up more than Osi

http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/4/17/1427437/chris-mortensen-sees-osi-being

[tbod10]

Mort's such a ****ing idiot. I don't believe this for one second. Osi is here to stay and I think the Giants would be foolish to get rid of him.

[Ckane138]

So far he hasn't cited any type of source, other than "I can see Osi get traded," or anything unspeculative. So his source is a crystal ball? Bull****.

[kaution]

Some draft news: http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/04/south_florida_defensive_end_ja.html
JPP visited with the giants this pass week, IF what mort claims is true and osi is traded its something to look at next week.

Some injury news: http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/04/barry_cofield_believes_kenny_p.html apparently Barry Cofield was playing with the same injury that ended KP's season.

Hakeem Nicks says he played the whole season on a broken toe ( http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/04/hakeem_nicks_says_he_played_la.html ) can't wait to see what he can do perfectly healthy next year.

Ahmad Bradshaw is running again for the first time after his surgery.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/04/hakeem_nicks_says_he_played_la.html

[Ckane138]

Updating the visits list, PFT says that the Giants are very interested in Iupati but trying hard to hide their interest.

[tbod10]

Matt Mosley brought up an excellent point in his ESPN NFC East Chat today on Osi. Strahan used to grumble during the off-season and the Giants never moved him. Now, I don't think Mosley was trying to say Osi is as good as Strahan, but I think his point was this.

The Giants know the positions to keep the "high maintenance" players at and which ones they can let go. You don't trade away franchise pass rushers. I don't think Osi is going anywhere.

[kaution]

Anyone esle tired of playing The same 2 non-divison teams for the last four years?

Seriously man WTF am tired of watching the Giants playing the F*cking Vikings and the F*cking Panthers every F*cking year!!!!!!!!

[Ckane138]

Schedule:
1) vs. Panthers
2) @ Colts (SNF)
3 )vs. Titans
4) vs. Bears(SNF)
5) @Texans
6) vs. Lions
7) @ Cowboys (MNF)
8) BYE
9) @ Seahawks
10) vs. Cowboys
11) @ Eagles
12) vs. Jaguars
13) vs. Redskins
14) @ Vikings
15) vs. Eagles
16) @ Packers
17) @ Redskins

[EL Guapo]

Odd there's no division games the first six weeks.

[Ckane138]

Giants say they will note trade Osi:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/giants-say-they-wont-trade-umenyiora/

And now my thought on JPP. I'm pretty lukewarm on the pick. I don't hate that we took him but I feel that there were better options out there like Dan Williams, Bryan Bulaga and Derrick Morgan. Most of us know the story on JPP: crazy athletic yet raw and inexperienced with a high bust risk. I think if there's any team I would trust to properly develop a defensive end it's us, so I think it would be a good pick moving forward. Keep in mind that Kiwi is heading into a contract year and even before taking JPP it was looking like he wouldn't get resigned with Osi and Tuck's big contracts. So he adds some depth in the future when we may need it in one or two years.

[kaution]

Seriously Giants fans everywhere are freaking out on the JPP pick,what happen to in Reese we trust cmon Jerry is a genius when it comes to the draft have some faith uggggggghhh.

In 07 when we won the super bowl, we had 4 good DE on the field on passing downs that could get to the QB does anyone trust Dave tollefson to be that 4th guy because I don't.

Another thing Mathias Kiwanuka is a free agent next season so the giants could be protecting themselves for the future if Osi isnt completely recovered from his knee surgery with 1 year behind it.In this situation JPP would have a year To hit the weights and refined his technigue and his play against the run.

All the giantsfans saying the giants needed an immediate impact player on the defensive side of the ball needs to stop, with McClian off the board who is that immediate impact player?

The only perosn that was an option here, that would of made a push to be a starter is Dan williams,an with recent News that barry cofield played the whole year with the same injury that KP had, jay alford who was on his way to monster season is before his injury is said to be 100% health,finally Chris Canty was plaued with hami problems all last season expect a much better year from him.

[Ckane138]

I know it's been said ad nauseum in this thread, but I really hope we contact the Raiders about Kirk Morrison.

[tbod10]

I would love to see the Giants trade for Morrison now that they missed out on McClain.

I'm dubious of the JPP pick, but clearly Reese has built up enough of a track record to warrant my trust. It's not even that I hate the pick, it's just that is surprised me since I can't remember the last time the Giants chose a project player in the 1st round.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/04/giants_brass_comments_on_jason.html

That's a link with the Giants press conference and quotes from Reese, Coughlin and Marc Ross who's their director or scouting or something like that.

[kaution]

Rumor has it, that the chiefs are willing to trade derrick johnson for a day 2 pick, maybe the giants should look into that.

[EL Guapo]

We all like safer and need picks as fans but he was their highest rated player and plays an impact position. I still trust them. If they take Lee I’ll understand and just hope he can play. If they don’t have a MLB before today is over, they are taking a big risk unless they trade for Morrison.