So what are some things we've learned for the next draft?

[jsagan77]

Some things I noticed,

1: 2hr time limit is too much..
My opinion: On the weekends it needs to be cut to a half an hour and then shortened 5 minutes per round.... On Weekdays, up it to an hour or 2 and have the top 5 ready just in case they can't pick.

2: People not showing up is a huge problem.

My opinion: Get a draft lead for each division that can make the pick for the teams in their division in case of a no show. This will relieve Walter of some stress too.

3: Trades are good and bad: It is a lot of work for Walt to keep up with all the trades. I know it keeps the draft realistic but we need to keep the trades realistic and put a cap on trading. (as we discussed)


I know i'm missing some things but I think there are about 8-10 people that take this seriously and some others who are less serious about it. I'm all about getting it done as fast and efficiently as possible so we can do more during the off season. I know we're all busy but I'm in the military full time, go to college full time and have a family so if I can make it to my pick in a timely manner, I don't see why others can't do the same.

Sorry if i'm being too brash but this process won't change if we don't get to the root of the problems... Does anyone else have any constructive insight they can lend?

[starqb14]

well i agree. we're all busy but if we're prepared it shouldn't take too much time devotion, like you said. i take that back.. i'm not busy, and pretty sure matt isn't too busy either.. but a lot of other people are.

[bills_red]

Trades are easy to keep up with imo (I ran 1 of these the last 2 years)

[Matt McGuire]

People not showing up didn't surprise me at all...people who have never been on the forums before come out of the woodwork.

For the next big forum mock (not the next one for picks only) we should have GMs and Assistant GMs to make picks if the GM of that team is not here.

[bills_red]

People not showing up didn't surprise me at all...people who have never been on the forums before come out of the woodwork.

For the next big forum mock (not the next one for picks only) we should have GMs and Assistant GMs to make picks if the GM of that team is not here.

Agree but you really think there will be 64 poeple that post a lot? I don't think this year. Maybe next.

[tonynyy]

People not showing up didn't surprise me at all...people who have never been on the forums before come out of the woodwork.

For the next big forum mock (not the next one for picks only) we should have GMs and Assistant GMs to make picks if the GM of that team is not here.

This is a great idea, I'd be ready to do it. As Bills sais though, we need more people, we barely have enough for 1 GM per team.

[jsagan77]

we're all fans of football, not just our teams. I'd be willing to take on 3-4 teams..

[GridIron NUt]

People not showing up didn't surprise me at all...people who have never been on the forums before come out of the woodwork.

For the next big forum mock (not the next one for picks only) we should have GMs and Assistant GMs to make picks if the GM of that team is not here.

an assistan gm for 1 team could still be a Gm for another, i dont think it matters.

[Leo Fender]

Agree but you really think there will be 64 poeple that post a lot? I don't think this year. Maybe next.

Why not have a GM of one team be the assistant GM in another team?

[GridIron NUt]

Thanks for reinforcing my suggestion leo lol.

[Matt McGuire]

I mean our forum isn't that big to begin with....it is getting there.

To expect 32 teams represented proudly is an unrealistic expectation. Closer to the draft definately but now...just hard to do.

[bills_red]

Why not have a GM of one team be the assistant GM in another team?

Okay say the GM tells his assistant he is going to take Joe Jolts at 20, the assistant GM likes Joe too but his team picks at 21, so he trades up and picks Jolts.

[Matt McGuire]

Have assistants but those assistants can't be on other teams....that's what I was saying.

[bills_red]

Have assistants but those assistants can't be on other teams....that's what I was saying.

Agree

[scar988]

the hour time limit is perfect IMO. other than that I agree.

[dweaver44]

Things learned for next draft:
1. Draft order has changed (obviously)
2. Limit trades to pick trading only
3. Only allow responsible GMs who will show up

[Joey_Potter]

Like for the Browns and Bucs Matt and I. I could be an Assistant GM for him if he falls off a cliff and impaled by the waiting jagged rocks below and he could be mine if I ever walk out in front of an 18-wheeler while on a bridge and get smacked off the bridge by it and drown. It would work.

Also, Get rid of the damn voting system on trades. That has to damn many downfalls, as in any trade I make that someone doesn't understand they reject without asking why. Pisses me off.

No changing the rules in the middle. Don't care who you are or what brilliant notions you get. Dont care if your a draft moderator, site moderator or just a poster. No screwing with the draft once it starts.

Finally I think there should be a one hour limit on weekdays after 7PM and a one hour starting at one on weekends. Just makes sense with one hours. It's just to damn long as is.

[bills_red]

Like for the Browns and Bucs Matt and I. I could be an Assistant GM for him if he falls off a cliff and impaled by the waiting jagged rocks below and he could be mine if I ever walk out in front of an 18-wheeler while on a bridge and get smacked off the bridge by it and drown. It would work.

Also, Get rid of the damn voting system on trades. That has to damn many downfalls, as in any trade I make that someone doesn't understand they reject without asking why. Pisses me off.

No changing the rules in the middle. Don't care who you are or what brilliant notions you get. Dont care if your a draft moderator, site moderator or just a poster. No screwing with the draft once it starts.

Finally I think there should be a one hour limit on weekdays after 7PM and a one hour starting at one on weekends. Just makes sense with one hours. It's just to damn long as is.


agree

[Matt McGuire]

Some trades where ridiculous though and if it wasn't for voting it would be messed up.

Like Andrew Whitworth...Tamba Hali...Manny Lawson? Joke.

[Matt McGuire]

Who changed the rules in the middle? What rules where changed?

I was the one AGAINST a time limit during weekdays because it was decided we wouldn't have one before the draft started.

[Vbsiena]

Only trading should be picks! No more players!!

[bills_red]

Why?

[49ersfan]

I think only one trade involving players. In addition, we need to replace a lot of the GMs like STL, ARZ (no disrespect Packerboy), etc. I don't think assistant GMs will work because we don't have enough members.

[bills_red]

I think only one trade involving players. In addition, we need to replace a lot of the GMs like STL, ARZ (no disrespect Packerboy), etc. I don't think assistant GMs will work because we don't have enough members.

STL GM has been on all day and made a trade with me.

[GridIron NUt]

Agreed

[49ersfan]

STL GM has been on all day and made a trade with me.
He's active enough, but he said this was his only forum mock somewhere.

[Vbsiena]

Why?

Because some of these trades are f-ing ridiculous. Trading Manny Lawson, Frank Gore, and Vernon Davis is like .000001% realistic. So is making 500 trades and changing ever position on your team. Getting like 15 draft picks again not realistic. I can trade away Kerry Rhodes, Shaun Ellis, Leon Washington, D'Brick, and Kellen Clemens too for 20 draft picks, but that doesn't make sense. It seems some of you just want to draft as many players as possible. Which is great in Madden, but like I stated I want some realism in this. If I wanted to rebuild every aspect of my team in 1 season I'd play madden and constantly trade with the computer (even pick up FAs and trade them, so cheap but c'mon you all did it)

[bills_red]

Because some of these trades are f-ing ridiculous. Trading Manny Lawson, Frank Gore, and Vernon Davis is like .000001% realistic. So is making 500 trades and changing ever position on your team. Getting like 15 draft picks again not realistic. I can trade away Kerry Rhodes, Shaun Ellis, Leon Washington, D'Brick, and Kellen Clemens too for 20 draft picks, but that doesn't make sense. It seems some of you just want to draft as many players as possible. Which is great in Madden, but like I stated I want some realism in this. If I wanted to rebuild every aspect of my team in 1 season I'd play madden and constantly trade with the computer (even pick up FAs and trade them, so cheap but c'mon you all did it)


The point is to have fun if we wanted this to be real we would wait till after the draft and just pick the same people.
Also picking Quentin Groves at it 10 is .0000000000000001% realistic.

[49ersfan]

Yes, I may have gone overboard trading Davis and Gore. But Martz doesn't run, doesn't use a TE, and Gore can't catch. But Lawson wasn't traded BTW. I think some people maybe too many trades ::cough cough: Bills_red ::cough cough::

[Vbsiena]

The point is to have fun if we wanted this to be real we would wait till after the draft and just pick the same people.
Also picking Quentin Groves at it 10 is .0000000000000001% realistic.

Lol surprise picks happen all the time in the draft. Still realistic. I'm not saying don't have fun that's the point of being on this mock. I guess we all have different views how this should be run.

[Joey_Potter]

Well draft swaps for RFA (Another team picks up the player and gives picks) since it will not be a trade should be allowed. Other than that I agree with the no player trading rule.

[regoob2]

What would happen with free agents then. Its not very realistic to have no trades and no free agents.

[Joey_Potter]

The point is to have fun if we wanted this to be real we would wait till after the draft and just pick the same people.
Also picking Quentin Groves at it 10 is .0000000000000001% realistic.

Actually it depends on if you draft for need or the best player. Take me. I am drafting for need. Why would I take a player I dont need just because he is the best when he wont improve my team or fit the scheme my team imploys. In other words why do something that wont make your team better? Makes no sense. Dan Conner wasn't my biggest need but greatly improves my team since they don't have to make a switch every 2 downs now. Gives my defense more consistancy and cohesian. Was Conner taken too soon, probobly, was he the best player to improve my terrible defense at that point, yes. So I made a good choice even though it was seen as unrealistic by some. I mean Matt drafted a D-Tackle nearly 6 spots early at an unrealistic spot. However it improved his team tramendously. There was a .000000000000001 chance of that happening. But the move was good for his team. Depends on how the GM drafts as to whether it is realistic or not.

[titan_qb_3]

Umm Joey Sedrick Ellis will probably be taken that high in the draft and if not there is no way he lasts to 13

[Joey_Potter]

Walter has him at 12 or 13.

[bills_red]

Umm Joey Sedrick Ellis will probably be taken that high in the draft and if not there is no way he lasts to 13

agree he is a top 10 pick moving up.

[titan_qb_3]

ok but he weighed in at the Senior Bowl at 308 and has looked dang near unstoppable in drills

[RaidaNation]

Having Asst GM's could cause issues.I was involved in one last yr w/ that & GM's were firing their asst's for making incorrect selections.And then asst's were saying it was b/c the GM wasn't online to communicate.

As for removing the polls on trades, put together a 3 person TC.That way there is always a tie breaker.

BTW- I stepped down as Jags GM before we started due to certain issues w/ this draft & GM's.If next years can be tweaked, I'd like to be here.And if not, no worries, either way.

As for trades, it isn't to much to shoulder.Walter could easily ask for help from Matt or someone else here he knows or trust.

[Matt McGuire]

JP, you have no idea how good Sedrick Ellis is...he's not as far behind as Dorsey as people think...I've been saying that for a while now and you are finally seeing those predictions at the Senior Bowl.

I also thought he looked heavier than 295 from what I saw of his body at the Rose Bowl.

[GridIron NUt]

The point is to have fun if we wanted this to be real we would wait till after the draft and just pick the same people.
Also picking Quentin Groves at it 10 is .0000000000000001% realistic.

Not really, Expecially depending on what he does in the combine.

[bills_red]

Not really, Expecially depending on what he does in the combine.

as of right now, yea really. he isn't even a top 5 DE

[GridIron NUt]

He doesnt need to be a top 5 DE for 3-4 teams, He needs to be a top 5 DE/OLB

[49ersfan]

Having Asst GM's could cause issues.I was involved in one last yr w/ that & GM's were firing their asst's for making incorrect selections.And then asst's were saying it was b/c the GM wasn't online to communicate.

As for removing the polls on trades, put together a 3 person TC.That way there is always a tie breaker.

BTW- I stepped down as Jags GM before we started due to certain issues w/ this draft & GM's.If next years can be tweaked, I'd like to be here.And if not, no worries, either way.

As for trades, it isn't to much to shoulder.Walter could easily ask for help from Matt or someone else here he knows or trust.

Your back :). I agree that a lot of stuff (certain GMs, trading policy) needs to be tweaked. I certainly think some one should help out Walter, I would.

[bills_red]

He doesnt need to be a top 5 DE for 3-4 teams, He needs to be a top 5 DE/OLB

Bruce Davis UCLA
Chris Long Virginia
Chris Ellis Virginia Tech
Shawn Crable Michigan
Derrick Harvey Florida
Vernon Gholston Ohio State

Even Tommy Blake could be better

[Joey_Potter]

Well. Sorry to say I missed the Senior Bowl. Wanted to see it I just missed it. It was probobly a day I was packing or had enough family over to make me want to take up Irish Taped Fist Fighting as a hobby to let out frustration. I'll just have to take Matt's word on it.

[Craig Smith]

Another idea from the mock i took part in last year.

Now keep in mind this would take alot of time and coordinating.

But the one i did last year assigned an exact time frame for each pick. That way you new when the draft started and exactly when your pic kwas going to be due. If you can't arrange your schedule to post your pick, then you pm Walter or someone with your top 5 for the selection.

There wasn't a you got 1 hour after this person picks. It was simply the #10 selection is due by this time, period. regardless of how long ago other picks were made

[Joey_Potter]

Well that would be difficult to coordinate. Not everyone has a TV in the same room as their computer to watch the draft and do a draft atr the same time.

[regoob2]

With Ellis coming in at 308 and looking as quick as ever I wouldn't be surprised to see someone trade up for him. Ellis has elite talent and he could go very high. I f you need a 3 technique and you have the #1 pick I don't think anyone would call you stupid to pick him he is that good.