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Walter
04-03-2011, 11:23 PM
Voting for the No. 16 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. Who will be the pick?

Results and some comments will be posted here.


http://walterfootball.com/draft2011reader.php


1. Panthers - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
2. Broncos - Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
3. Bills - Cam Newton, QB, Bengals
4. Bengals - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
5. Cardinals - Von Miller, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
6. Browns - Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
7. 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
8. Titans - Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
9. Cowboys - Tyron Smith, OT, USC
10. Redskins - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
11. Texans - Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
12. Vikings - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
13. Lions - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
14. Rams - Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
15. Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama


Akeem Ayers
Justin Houston
Cameron Jordan
Ryan Kerrigan
Jake Locker
Rahim Moore
Christian Ponder
Mike Pouncey
Brooks Reed
J.J. Watt

whatdoyouwant711
04-03-2011, 11:37 PM
Ryan Kerrigan has been linked to them consistently, but currently on board is one of the only players I can see them passing on Kerrigan for: JJ Watt.

On a pure talent level, Watt trumps Kerrigan in every which way. He also shares Kerrigan's on-field high-motor and off-field high-character, a pair of traits Gene Smith is bound to love. He lacks the speed or pass rush repertoire you'd like to see out of an edge rusher, but Kampman should help teach him some moves, and honestly, there's never really anything wrong with adding size up front, even at the cost of speed.

Phatal
04-03-2011, 11:45 PM
No Justin Houston? I actually think he is a strong candidate for the pick. Akeem Ayers makes a lot of sense due to his versatility to play all the linebacker positions in both the 34 and 43, but he is raw and may not develop into the linebacker that the Jaguars need him to be. The Jaguars like players with scheme versatility as shown when the pick last year was Tyson Alualu. With two of the three starting linebackers for the Jacksonville Jaguars being free agents, linebacker is a position that will likely be addressed at least once in the draft. If Ayers is the best available player on the board he will be the pick.

Brandon Harris is a reach at this point and while he fits a need, he is a second rounder for a lot of people. I don't see a strong possibility of him being the pick, although it could happen. It depends on how Gene Smith's board looks. Cameron Jordan or J. J. Watt is the best available player and both fit a need for the Jaguars, DE. Jordan can likely fill the right defensive end position better than Watt, who seems to be better suited as a left defensive end. This is why Jordan is a stronger candidate than Watt, even though both have the scheme versatility to play defensive end in the 34 and 43. While Kerrigan also has the scheme versatility, Jordan is the better player and Kerrigan also has some cons when it comes to scheme versatility. Yes, Kerrigan can play the right defensive end position in the 43, but we do not know how well he moves in space and how effective he is as a pass rushing outside linebacker, which is the position he would play in the 34. Therefore, Kerrigan is less likely to be the pick than Jordan. While Kerrigan may be the consensus, he should not be the pick as there are better players here.

Brooks Reed makes no sense here because he lacks scheme versatility and is not going to be very effective as an outside linebacker in the 43. Rahim Moore makes a lot of sense as he fills the Jaguars biggest need. However, Moore is a reach and if the Jaguars want him, they will likely trade down to acquire him. Mike Pouncey can be a day one starter as an interior offensive lineman and has a high stock due to his brother's success as a rookie. The Jaguars have a need at interior offensive line, however, it is not big enough to address this early so Pouncey will likely not be the pick.

I like Jake Locker here. The Jaguars have not drafted a quarterback since 2003 when they selected Byron Leftwich. David Garrard is an excellent game manager, but he is a good quarterback, not an elite one even if he shows signs of being elite at times. Jake Locker has a lot of potential and is the QB that would benefit the most from sitting back and developing under a veteran (maybe second to Cam Newton). Jake Locker can be the elite QB that the Jaguars are missing and he will help mask the problems on this team if he can be an elite quarterback. Locker has a higher potential than Christian Ponder and that is why he makes more sense if he is available. I would like if the Jaguars could trade down into the 20-24 range for Locker, but Locker fills a need and has value even at 16.

Jake Locker, Cameron Jordan, Akeem Ayers, Rahim Moore, Ryan Kerrigan, Christian Ponder, J. J. Watt, Mike Pouncey, Brandon Harris, and then Brooks Reed is how I believe these prospects should be ranked for the Jaguars.

Phatal
04-03-2011, 11:46 PM
Ryan Kerrigan has been linked to them consistently, but currently on board is one of the only players I can see them passing on Kerrigan for: JJ Watt.

On a pure talent level, Watt trumps Kerrigan in every which way. He also shares Kerrigan's on-field high-motor and off-field high-character, a pair of traits Gene Smith is bound to love. He lacks the speed or pass rush repertoire you'd like to see out of an edge rusher, but Kampman should help teach him some moves, and honestly, there's never really anything wrong with adding size up front, even at the cost of speed.

Jordan may be an even better prospect than Watt and is a better pass rusher. I would have him higher on my board.

Walter
04-04-2011, 12:42 AM
No Justin Houston? I actually think he is a strong candidate for the pick. Akeem Ayers makes a lot of sense due to his versatility to play all the linebacker positions in both the 34 and 43, but he is raw and may not develop into the linebacker that the Jaguars need him to be. The Jaguars like players with scheme versatility as shown when the pick last year was Tyson Alualu. With two of the three starting linebackers for the Jacksonville Jaguars being free agents, linebacker is a position that will likely be addressed at least once in the draft. If Ayers is the best available player on the board he will be the pick.

Brandon Harris is a reach at this point and while he fits a need, he is a second rounder for a lot of people. I don't see a strong possibility of him being the pick, although it could happen. It depends on how Gene Smith's board looks. Cameron Jordan or J. J. Watt is the best available player and both fit a need for the Jaguars, DE. Jordan can likely fill the right defensive end position better than Watt, who seems to be better suited as a left defensive end. This is why Jordan is a stronger candidate than Watt, even though both have the scheme versatility to play defensive end in the 34 and 43. While Kerrigan also has the scheme versatility, Jordan is the better player and Kerrigan also has some cons when it comes to scheme versatility. Yes, Kerrigan can play the right defensive end position in the 43, but we do not know how well he moves in space and how effective he is as a pass rushing outside linebacker, which is the position he would play in the 34. Therefore, Kerrigan is less likely to be the pick than Jordan. While Kerrigan may be the consensus, he should not be the pick as there are better players here.

Brooks Reed makes no sense here because he lacks scheme versatility and is not going to be very effective as an outside linebacker in the 43. Rahim Moore makes a lot of sense as he fills the Jaguars biggest need. However, Moore is a reach and if the Jaguars want him, they will likely trade down to acquire him. Mike Pouncey can be a day one starter as an interior offensive lineman and has a high stock due to his brother's success as a rookie. The Jaguars have a need at interior offensive line, however, it is not big enough to address this early so Pouncey will likely not be the pick.

I like Jake Locker here. The Jaguars have not drafted a quarterback since 2003 when they selected Byron Leftwich. David Garrard is an excellent game manager, but he is a good quarterback, not an elite one even if he shows signs of being elite at times. Jake Locker has a lot of potential and is the QB that would benefit the most from sitting back and developing under a veteran (maybe second to Cam Newton). Jake Locker can be the elite QB that the Jaguars are missing and he will help mask the problems on this team if he can be an elite quarterback. Locker has a higher potential than Christian Ponder and that is why he makes more sense if he is available. I would like if the Jaguars could trade down into the 20-24 range for Locker, but Locker fills a need and has value even at 16.

Jake Locker, Cameron Jordan, Akeem Ayers, Rahim Moore, Ryan Kerrigan, Christian Ponder, J. J. Watt, Mike Pouncey, Brandon Harris, and then Brooks Reed is how I believe these prospects should be ranked for the Jaguars.

You're right. Justin Houston should be listed. Added him in.

vikingsteve26
04-04-2011, 01:28 AM
Voted Ryan Kerrigan. Could just as easily be JJ Watt though.

KyleCleric
04-04-2011, 01:40 AM
If Kerrigan is selected here, Justin Houston should be the Pats draft choice.

With that set, I voted for JJ Watt. I chose between Kerrigan, Watt, and Jordan. Vardaan seems to hate the Kerrigan to the choice so I decided to go with whichever of Watt and Jordan had more votes. Watt currently has more votes so I voted for him. I've a feeling they'll actually take Brandon Harris or Rahim Moore.

RazorStar
04-04-2011, 04:09 AM
I jumped onto the Ponder bandwagon here. The Jags will always take their guy, no matter how much of a reach he may be. Ponder is a high character QB in a draft with a lot of question marks at the position, and Garrard is a guy who I think is the best of the QB's who will never win a championship sort of player. With the way the Jags pick, nothing would surprise me.

Classic Silver and Black
04-04-2011, 05:09 AM
Ryan Kerrigan fits the kind of player that the present Jags front office likes to draft early (high ethics, long college career, leadership).

But since this franchise doesn't care about reaching for players rated lower on other teams' boards, another player with the same profile that covers an even bigger hole for Jacksonville would be Rahim Moore. Nobody has the UCLA safety going this high? So who did have Alualu as a top ten last year? Given how thin is this draft for the safety position and how deep it is for the defensive ends, that's a reach we can expect.

whatdoyouwant711
04-04-2011, 05:50 AM
Jordan may be an even better prospect than Watt and is a better pass rusher. I would have him higher on my board.

But Watt actually played in a 4-3 in college. Jordan didn't.

I barely ever see Jordan line up as a 4-3 end. When Cal rushes 4, Jordan usually plays DT. I have to think that's the position he'd play in a 4-3, since he's a far better interior penetrator than outside pass rusher.

Manu Ginobli's Bald Spot
04-04-2011, 07:15 AM
J.J. Watt seems like the best pick here. He's a high-character guy that Gene Smith covets, plus he'd boost a drastically bad Jags pass rush. In addition, he fits well into the hybrid 4-3/3-4 that the Jags love to run. Kerrigan doesn't, which is largely why I didn't vote him.

Phatal
04-04-2011, 09:28 AM
You're right. Justin Houston should be listed. Added him in.

Thanks, but people are going to vote for Kerrigan over him. I think Houston fits in the 34 and 43 better than Kerrigan. I don't know how effective Kerrigan will be as an OLB in the 34.


Voted Ryan Kerrigan. Could just as easily be JJ Watt though.

Go with the consensus, huh?


If Kerrigan is selected here, Justin Houston should be the Pats draft choice.

With that set, I voted for JJ Watt. I chose between Kerrigan, Watt, and Jordan. Vardaan seems to hate the Kerrigan to the choice so I decided to go with whichever of Watt and Jordan had more votes. Watt currently has more votes so I voted for him. I've a feeling they'll actually take Brandon Harris or Rahim Moore.

Moore fills the bigger need while Harris may be available in the second round.


I jumped onto the Ponder bandwagon here. The Jags will always take their guy, no matter how much of a reach he may be. Ponder is a high character QB in a draft with a lot of question marks at the position, and Garrard is a guy who I think is the best of the QB's who will never win a championship sort of player. With the way the Jags pick, nothing would surprise me.

Locker > Ponder


Ryan Kerrigan fits the kind of player that the present Jags front office likes to draft early (high ethics, long college career, leadership).

But since this franchise doesn't care about reaching for players rated lower on other teams' boards, another player with the same profile that covers an even bigger hole for Jacksonville would be Rahim Moore. Nobody has the UCLA safety going this high? So who did have Alualu as a top ten last year? Given how thin is this draft for the safety position and how deep it is for the defensive ends, that's a reach we can expect.

I think Rahim Moore could go as high as 14 because the Rams released Atogwe.


But Watt actually played in a 4-3 in college. Jordan didn't.

I barely ever see Jordan line up as a 4-3 end. When Cal rushes 4, Jordan usually plays DT. I have to think that's the position he'd play in a 4-3, since he's a far better interior penetrator than outside pass rusher.

He can probably fill both rollss. I don't remember Cal rushing 4 when I watched film of Jordan.


J.J. Watt seems like the best pick here. He's a high-character guy that Gene Smith covets, plus he'd boost a drastically bad Jags pass rush. In addition, he fits well into the hybrid 4-3/3-4 that the Jags love to run. Kerrigan doesn't, which is largely why I didn't vote him.

Some one understands that the Jaguars value scheme versatility. Yes.

Bryqan
04-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Gotta go with Ponder here though I could see Locker as the pick. Either way the Jags draft a QB in round one. They've said they will draft a QB and it seems likely they will pick at least one in round one since you have a 50-50 shot of drafting a franchise QB, something this franchise has never done.

Phatal
04-04-2011, 09:52 AM
Gotta go with Ponder here though I could see Locker as the pick. Either way the Jags draft a QB in round one. They've said they will draft a QB and it seems likely they will pick at least one in round one since you have a 50-50 shot of drafting a franchise QB, something this franchise has never done.

They have not said they are going to draft a QB. Gene Smith would like to draft a QB, especially early. However, that does not mean they will draft a QB. I like Locker over Ponder becuase he is the BAP.

Tmnray
04-04-2011, 10:15 AM
I picked Christian Ponder first off it fits a need and Ponder have been linked to the Jag's numerous times. Ponder fit's there offense and if the jags want they could sit him a year or play him right away due to his pro style offense. Ponders stock has been on the rise and if you ask me he is defiantly worth the 16th pick. The team and the fan's have been clamoring for a new QB and I think ponder is it. The reason I take Ponder over Locker? Because Ponders a better prospect that completes more that 55% of passes. Locker's stock is all from the "eye ball test" for stuff like the combine but when you watch tape locker just doesn't complete passes well.

vikingsteve26
04-04-2011, 10:30 AM
pretty much, Vardaan



it's one of those picks where I don't know a whole lot about the team so I just go with the consensus

aaah
04-04-2011, 11:00 AM
Too Easy, DE. I voted for Kerrigan but word is now that Bowers will fall to them. Anyway, DE...

Tom
04-04-2011, 11:17 AM
Watt & Jordan are both better prospects than Kerrigan. The consensus big board has Jordan at 13, Watt at 15.3, and Kerrigan at 20.7. It'll come down to who the Jaguars like better of the two. Watt has more time in a 4-3, and has that character they'll love. I think they'll go with Watt.

SteVo
04-04-2011, 12:25 PM
It comes down to Kerrigan and Ponder because both fit the profile that the Jags go for (high character, good work ethic, lots of production in college) and both fill big needs for the Jags. Kerrigan is the better prospect, but Ponder fills the biggest need of all, and hey, he's something of a local product coming from Florida State. Where the Jags draft in the second round, they can't afford to sit still and hope for Ponder to fall to them because he won't--he might be gone by the end of the first round. If they want Ponder as their franchise QB, they need to take him here.

7o62x39
04-04-2011, 02:54 PM
There is little buzz on Kerrigan. Watt along with Jordan are generally higher rated players. The $64K question here is system fit. The Jags run a unique 4-3 with their DTs often 2-Gaping. Jordan and Watt can play in either a 3-4 or 4-3 but Jordan played in a 3-4 at Cal while Watt played in a 4-3. Jordan might be able to stand up or drop into space on occasion without too much trouble. Can't see the Jags passing on either Jordan or Watt for Kerrigan. I voted Watt with the edge given due to his impeccable leadership and character which fits the Jags' culture. Regarding Ponder here, can't see it. Ponder is a WCO QB not a prototypical Erhardt-Perkins offensive tree QB. Curious poll result as Jordan and Watt are dividing the alternative to the Kerrigan conventional wisdom.

Phatal
04-04-2011, 03:12 PM
I picked Christian Ponder first off it fits a need and Ponder have been linked to the Jag's numerous times. Ponder fit's there offense and if the jags want they could sit him a year or play him right away due to his pro style offense. Ponders stock has been on the rise and if you ask me he is defiantly worth the 16th pick. The team and the fan's have been clamoring for a new QB and I think ponder is it. The reason I take Ponder over Locker? Because Ponders a better prospect that completes more that 55% of passes. Locker's stock is all from the "eye ball test" for stuff like the combine but when you watch tape locker just doesn't complete passes well.

Locker has higher potential. The QB that the Jaguars select (whatever round it may be) is not going to be asked to step in right away. If that was the way it was, then Ponder would make more sense than Locker. However, the Jaguars need a QB who has potential and will benefit greatly from sitting for a couple of years. Locker fits that mold and makes more sense.


pretty much, Vardaan



it's one of those picks where I don't know a whole lot about the team so I just go with the consensus

At least go with BAP. You could also read one of the early post where I went through each of the options.


Watt & Jordan are both better prospects than Kerrigan. The consensus big board has Jordan at 13, Watt at 15.3, and Kerrigan at 20.7. It'll come down to who the Jaguars like better of the two. Watt has more time in a 4-3, and has that character they'll love. I think they'll go with Watt.

Smart man. Jordan also has the qualities that Gene Smith likes in his players. Cannot argue with your reasoning though.


It comes down to Kerrigan and Ponder because both fit the profile that the Jags go for (high character, good work ethic, lots of production in college) and both fill big needs for the Jags. Kerrigan is the better prospect, but Ponder fills the biggest need of all, and hey, he's something of a local product coming from Florida State. Where the Jags draft in the second round, they can't afford to sit still and hope for Ponder to fall to them because he won't--he might be gone by the end of the first round. If they want Ponder as their franchise QB, they need to take him here.

A lot of the prospects that are possible choices are high character guys that Gene Smith likes. Since when is QB the Jaguars biggest need? David Garrard is a good game manager and can be elite at times. The Jaguars need a QB, yes, but not one desperately enough. For some reason, I think someone is making multiple accounts and providing similar reasons or more reason for why they should be the pick. Just compare SteVo's response to some of the previous ones.


Too Easy, DE. I voted for Kerrigan but word is now that Bowers will fall to them. Anyway, DE...

What do you mean too easy? The Jaguars are one of the hardest teams to read. Bowers should fall out of the first round if his medicals are bad enough to make a team pass on him. Kerrigan is not the BAP.


There is little buzz on Kerrigan. Watt along with Jordan are generally higher rated players. The $64K question here is system fit. The Jags run a unique 4-3 with their DTs often 2-Gaping. Jordan and Watt can play in either a 3-4 or 4-3 but Jordan played in a 3-4 at Cal while Watt played in a 4-3. Watt might be the better pure penetrator but Jordan might be able to stand up or drop into space on occasion without too much trouble. Can't see the Jags passing on either Jordan or Watt for Kerrigan. I voted Watt with the edge given due to his impeccable leadership and character which fits the Jags' culture. Regarding Ponder here, can't see it. Ponder is a WCO QB not a prototypical Erhardt-Perkins offensive tree QB. Curious poll result as Jordan and Watt are dividing the alternative to the Kerrigan conventional wisdom.

Pretty good reasoning here. The problem is that you were discussing DTs, where the Jaguars may be set besides depth, when you were comparing DEs. DE is a need and of all the ones listed, Houston makes the most sense.

7o62x39
04-04-2011, 03:20 PM
@#21 - I mentioned the Jags' unique 2-Gaping 4-3 as it impacts the choice for 4-3DEs. I'm not suggesting Jordan or Watt as a DT.

stevenlourie
04-04-2011, 03:55 PM
whereas the jaguars surprised everyone last year by taking tyson alualu at 10, the jaguars would surprise no one this year if they took ryan kerrigan. They've drafted an offensive or defensive lineman in the first in each of the last 3 years. In fact, they used their first two picks on linemen in 2008, their first 3 on linemen in 2009, and their first 4 on linemen in 2010, with 7 of those 9 picks being defensive linemen. How they still only managed 26 sacks last year, I don't know. Hopefully for them they get this one right. kerrigan is a high motor, blue collar, high character, highly productive pass rusher, which is everything smith looks for. he'll look past his lack of elite athleticism and take him over more athletic ends like jordan/watt.

Eagles247
04-04-2011, 04:05 PM
I picked OLB Akeem Ayers here. The Jaguars have needs at G and LB (DE? really? I think they've learned by now that they are horrible at drafting DEs), and I think Akeem Ayers is the best bet for them. Drafting a QB is a reach here as well.

That is all the analysis I have.

Phatal
04-04-2011, 05:30 PM
@#21 - I mentioned the Jags' unique 2-Gaping 4-3 as it impacts the choice for 4-3DEs. I'm not suggesting Jordan or Watt as a DT.

Okay, I understand what you are trying to say. The Jaguars also value scheme versatility and could be switching to the 34 soon. They will also likely be running a hybrid next year. Justin Houston makes the most sense out of any of the DEs listed above.


whereas the jaguars surprised everyone last year by taking tyson alualu at 10, the jaguars would surprise no one this year if they took ryan kerrigan. They've drafted an offensive or defensive lineman in the first in each of the last 3 years. In fact, they used their first two picks on linemen in 2008, their first 3 on linemen in 2009, and their first 4 on linemen in 2010, with 7 of those 9 picks being defensive linemen. How they still only managed 26 sacks last year, I don't know. Hopefully for them they get this one right. kerrigan is a high motor, blue collar, high character, highly productive pass rusher, which is everything smith looks for. he'll look past his lack of elite athleticism and take him over more athletic ends like jordan/watt.

Why? It seems like you copied and pasted this from somewhere and added the bolded part. Jordan, Watt, and Houston are all better defensive ends and also fit the things that "[S]mith is looking for."


I picked OLB Akeem Ayers here. The Jaguars have needs at G and LB (DE? really? I think they've learned by now that they are horrible at drafting DEs), and I think Akeem Ayers is the best bet for them. Drafting a QB is a reach here as well.

That is all the analysis I have.

I wonder if people realize how few amount of DEs the Jaguars have drafted early. QB may be a reach, but Gene Smith is not afraid to get his guy and QB is the most important position. I like the originality though.

vikingsteve26
04-04-2011, 05:35 PM
well if they intend on switching to a 3-4 soon then Cameron Jordan should definitely be the pick. he has lots of versatility in both the 4-3 and 3-4

Phatal
04-04-2011, 05:41 PM
well if they intend on switching to a 3-4 soon then Cameron Jordan should definitely be the pick. he has lots of versatility in both the 4-3 and 3-4

That is what I am saying. Gene Smith has great future sight and wants versatility so he can hire the coach he likes if Del Rio is not around.

vikingfan173
04-04-2011, 06:35 PM
I think im going to vote Ryan Kerrigan becasue it will just annoy Vardaan!

vikingsteve26
04-04-2011, 07:00 PM
hahahaha poor Vardaan


we feel your pain

trisoman
04-04-2011, 08:32 PM
I'm just curious why Vardaan sees it necessary to refute everyone's opinion on a forum. It's 1) a forum and 2) it's people's opinion.

Wouldn't be much of a discussion if everyone just agreed now would it, I'm just stating.

Phatal
04-04-2011, 09:48 PM
I think im going to vote Ryan Kerrigan becasue it will just annoy Vardaan!


hahahaha poor Vardaan


we feel your pain

Bowers? I would rather have Kerrigan so I understand where you guys are coming from.


I'm just curious why Vardaan sees it necessary to refute everyone's opinion on a forum. It's 1) a forum and 2) it's people's opinion.

Wouldn't be much of a discussion if everyone just agreed now would it, I'm just stating.

Lol, you must not be that active. I don't do this all the time. I am not trying to change people's opinions. I am trying to make people more knowledgeable about a team that most people know only a small bit about. I am also trying to encourage a debate and cause arguments, but cannot do that due to people's minuscule knowledge of the Jaguars. Thank you for at least spelling my name correctly.

Blazedestin
04-04-2011, 10:49 PM
Ryan Kerrigan to the Jaguars.

Insert a bunch of the usual rhetoric about his motor, work ethic, intelligence, and captaincy during his career at Purdue for the reasons that Gene Smith will draft him. At this point, it'll be a mild upset if they don't grab the versatile defensive end here.

Phatal
04-04-2011, 11:09 PM
Ryan Kerrigan to the Jaguars.

Insert a bunch of the usual rhetoric about his motor, work ethic, intelligence, and captaincy during his career at Purdue for the reasons that Gene Smith will draft him. At this point, it'll be a mild upset if they don't grab the versatile defensive end here.

Why would you be mad? Kerrigan is going to be the pick here because people do not know a lot about this team. I tried to change that, but I failed :(.

trisoman
04-05-2011, 12:47 AM
Lol, you must not be that active. I don't do this all the time. I am not trying to change people's opinions. I am trying to make people more knowledgeable about a team that most people know only a small bit about. I am also trying to encourage a debate and cause arguments, but cannot do that due to people's minuscule knowledge of the Jaguars. Thank you for at least spelling my name correctly.

I know, I've been in the forums for a coupla years now and while I go into hiding for long periods I emerge out of my hideyhole during Draft season and pop up and make comments.

I was just, what's the word for this now, mildly surprised at your eagerness that people understand the Jaguars the same way you do. I don't believe I've, what's the word for it now, persuaded people with the ... vibrancy that you do.

's all I'm saying, not hatin' just statin'.

ADDENDUM: I must say though that you've exceeded the number of posts I've had in 2.5+ years within a couple months. Colour me extremely impressed - no sarcasm here.

Phatal
04-05-2011, 09:21 AM
I know, I've been in the forums for a coupla years now and while I go into hiding for long periods I emerge out of my hideyhole during Draft season and pop up and make comments.

I was just, what's the word for this now, mildly surprised at your eagerness that people understand the Jaguars the same way you do. I don't believe I've, what's the word for it now, persuaded people with the ... vibrancy that you do.

's all I'm saying, not hatin' just statin'.

ADDENDUM: I must say though that you've exceeded the number of posts I've had in 2.5+ years within a couple months. Colour me extremely impressed - no sarcasm here.

Lol, thank you. I guess the vibe that you are talking about me having is a good thing. You can see a lot of people may be making opinions about the Jaguars that do not have a good background. I want to provide the background knowledge so people can make a better opinion about the team. It is annoying to me to see someone come up with an opinion and try to argue it when they know very little about a team.