Miami Dolphins Official offseason thread

[JoeLegend]

A few things I read on-line.

1) Ricky Williams wants to stay in Miami and has said this over and over but its up to Miami. (Hope so just in case)

2) They are working on getting Solia a long term contract cuz the 12.2 Mil he owed for being franchised is way too much for a 1 year sensation. ( I agree but I'm glad we franchised him)

3) If Ahmad Bradshaw does not resign with the Giants he is a Dolphin. (I really want DeAngelo but would not mind Bradshaw if he took care of the ball)

4) The teams for Vince Young is down to 2. Miami and the Eagles. ( i like VY alot but he is #3 on list of QBs I want. Behind Orton and Palmer)

[JoeLegend]

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/ahmad_bradshaw_already_in_miamidolphins_target/5722678

Bradshaw is already in Miami and hanging out with Mike Pouncey. Hmmm.

[JoeLegend]

Miami's UDFA's

Jonathan Freeny (DE, Rutgers) (Will actually play OLB for Miami)
Nic Grigsby (RB, Arizona) (Speedster ran a 4.38 40)
Garrett Chisolm (OL, USC)
Brett Brackett (TE, Penn State) (Actually lined up at WR for Penn ST. so he can catch)

[JoeLegend]

The Dolphins are interested in Kyle Orton. I hope this gets done quick.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/dolphins-interested-in-acquiring-kyle-orton/

[JoeLegend]

Miami signed UDFA QB Pat Devlin

[miamidolphin4life]

The Dolphins are interested in Kyle Orton. I hope this gets done quick.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/dolphins-interested-in-acquiring-kyle-orton/

I don't wanna give up a 2nd round pick for Orton and his 9 million dollar price tag.

A third round at most, and if not, just wait for the Broncos to release him(you don't keep someone on the bench making $9 million).

[miamidolphin4life]

A few things I read on-line.

1) Ricky Williams wants to stay in Miami and has said this over and over but its up to Miami. (Hope so just in case)

2) They are working on getting Solia a long term contract cuz the 12.2 Mil he owed for being franchised is way too much for a 1 year sensation. ( I agree but I'm glad we franchised him)

3) If Ahmad Bradshaw does not resign with the Giants he is a Dolphin. (I really want DeAngelo but would not mind Bradshaw if he took care of the ball)

4) The teams for Vince Young is down to 2. Miami and the Eagles. ( i like VY alot but he is #3 on list of QBs I want. Behind Orton and Palmer)

1. I still don't think Ricky plays here because how he bad mouthed the team. Granted he still may be respected in the locker room, but I'd like to upgrade the RB postion. He can go be a quality 3rd down back elsewhere.

2. If we give him a deal, three years with a clause that if he sucks it up, we can cut losses with him without owing him money.

3. I throught Bradshaw was coming here earlier, but faded it away when I heard he was a Giant priority. He's an excellent blocker and he runs HARD as hell, so if we got him I'd love it. D-Will over him if he isn't asking us to break the bank

4. NO.

[JoeLegend]

I don't wanna give up a 2nd round pick for Orton and his 9 million dollar price tag.

A third round at most, and if not, just wait for the Broncos to release him(you don't keep someone on the bench making $9 million).

I agree If they want more than a 3rd than throw in a player. Not a 2nd. But if they gave up a 2nd for him I would not be upset.

[miamidolphin4life]

I agree If they want more than a 3rd than throw in a player. Not a 2nd. But if they gave up a 2nd for him I would not be upset.

If we are going after Luck/Barkley/Jones what would be the point of trading a 2nd round pick for a QB whose only gonna be here one year?

I'd be upset, and that means we aren't going QB in next season's draft.

[JoeLegend]

If we are going after Luck/Barkley/Jones what would be the point of trading a 2nd round pick for a QB whose only gonna be here one year?

I'd be upset, and that means we aren't going QB in next season's draft.

Thats the point. By getting Orton we wont need a QB next year and we can concentrate on CB, Safety, OLB, or RT next year.

[JoeLegend]

MD4L and Wraith if you hear anything please put it in here so I know whats going on while I'm sleeping.

[miamidolphin4life]

Thats the point. By getting Orton we wont need a QB next year and we can concentrate on CB, Safety, OLB, or RT next year.

Orton will never take us to a SB. I don't want a team that's merely above average, and that's all Orton will take us to.

I want a QB that takes us to elite status. I'm done with these one year fixes. I'll take Orton but for nothing higher then a 3rd round pick.

Besides he's owed 9 million this off season, so there's no way Denver keeps him on the roster. We can just wait until he gets released.

[JoeLegend]

Orton will never take us to a SB. I don't want a team that's merely above average, and that's all Orton will take us to.

I want a QB that takes us to elite status. I'm done with these one year fixes. I'll take Orton but for nothing higher then a 3rd round pick.

Besides he's owed 9 million this off season, so there's no way Denver keeps him on the roster. We can just wait until he gets released.

And those rookies you named could. Did you not see how good Orton was passing to Brandon Marshall and then after he got traded of all people he made Brandon Llyod a beast. Orton is for real they just did not have a D in Denver We have one in Miami.

BTW we are out of the sweepstakes for D-Will

[miamidolphin4life]

And those rookies you named could. Did you not see how good Orton was passing to Brandon Marshall and then after he got traded of all people he made Brandon Llyod a beast. Orton is for real they just did not have a D in Denver We have one in Miami.

BTW we are out of the sweepstakes for D-Will

Joe Flacco, Ben Rothlisberger, Mark Sanchez, and Matt Ryan were all successful rookie QB's.

Of course no rookie QB can take you from average to elite in one day but all 4 QB's will eventually do that to their respective teams. Granted I love me some Kyle Orton and belive he puts us in playoff contention but he will never led a team to a SB and that's what I want.

Orton is a terrific stop gap QB, I'd absolutely love him on my team if we're building something up but he's not going to lead any teams to a Super Bowl. If he was truely elite, why were the Broncos the 2nd worst team in the NFL with him in control?

He will lead us around an 8-8 record, and at best to the playoffs and a WC victory, but he will never lead us to a championship, which is ultimately everyone's goal.

[JoeLegend]

Joe Flacco, Ben Rothlisberger, Mark Sanchez, and Matt Ryan were all successful rookie QB's.

Of course no rookie QB can take you from average to elite in one day but all 4 QB's will eventually do that to their respective teams. Granted I love me some Kyle Orton and belive he puts us in playoff contention but he will never led a team to a SB and that's what I want.

Orton is a terrific stop gap QB, I'd absolutely love him on my team if we're building something up but he's not going to lead any teams to a Super Bowl. If he was truely elite, why were the Broncos the 2nd worst team in the NFL with him in control?

He will lead us around an 8-8 record, and at best to the playoffs and a WC victory, but he will never lead us to a championship, which is ultimately everyone's goal.

You named 4 rookie QBs out of how many??? Also all those QBs with the exception of Matt Ryan was led by a great defense.

[miamidolphin4life]

You named 4 rookie QBs out of how many??? Also all those QBs with the exception of Matt Ryan was led by a great defense.

Did you even read the entirety of my post?


Joe Flacco, Ben Rothlisberger, Mark Sanchez, and Matt Ryan were all successful rookie QB's.

Of course no rookie QB can take you from average to elite in one day but all 4 QB's will eventually do that to their respective teams. Granted I love me some Kyle Orton and belive he puts us in playoff contention but he will never led a team to a SB and that's what I want.

Orton is a terrific stop gap QB, I'd absolutely love him on my team if we're building something up but he's not going to lead any teams to a Super Bowl. If he was truely elite, why were the Broncos the 2nd worst team in the NFL with him in control?

He will lead us around an 8-8 record, and at best to the playoffs and a WC victory, but he will never lead us to a championship, which is ultimately everyone's goal.

Flacco, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Freeman(lets throw some more names in then), and Bradford will all be leading their teams to a SB contender if not now then in a couple of years.

Orton will never lead us that far. If he were to ever make a SB, you'd pretty much have to build a super team around him so he wouldn't have to win you any games.

[JoeLegend]

Did you even read the entirety of my post?



Flacco, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Freeman(lets throw some more names in then), and Bradford will all be leading their teams to a SB contender if not now then in a couple of years.

Orton will never lead us that far. If he were to ever make a SB, you'd pretty much have to build a super team around him so he wouldn't have to win you any games.

Yes

[JoeLegend]

Adam Schefter says Miami is interested in Marion Barber. If they sign him I called this last week. I think it sucks since Daniel Thomas is a power back.

http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/7/26/2296566/dolphins-interested-in-marion-barber-giants-working-to-sign-ahmad

Looks like we missed out on Bradshaw and D-Will

[JoeLegend]

5 more UDFAs:

KR Phiilip Livas
OLB Quinten Spears
QB Jeff Van Camp
CB Vince Agnew
OL DJ Jones

[JoeLegend]

The Dolphins and Orton are in Contract talks. Please get this done.

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/dolphins-kyle-orton-in-contract-talks-532756.html

[JoeLegend]

The Dolphins have resigned Tony McDaniel I really like this move. It opens up trade value for Langford or Starks. But it also gives us better depth on the D-Line.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/mcdaniel_resigns_with_miami_plus_other_notes/5757742

[JoeLegend]

I hear Miami is now talking to Ronnie Brown again. Also a friend of mine said the 49ers cut Teddy Ginn JR and Miami is interested I dont know how serious this is I am looking for it.

[JoeLegend]

Miami signs OLB Jason Trusnick

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/27/dolphins-retain-tony-mcdaniel-add-jason-trusnik/

Good we needed depth there

[JoeLegend]

Randy Starks and Philip Merling could be used to bring Orton to Miami. I have said this for awhile now since the Dolphins are stacked at D-Line and te Broncos need that. I dont wanna see Starks go he is a beast But we have Langford and Odrick who are both young studs. Also we resigned Tony McDaniel.

Orton Could be a Dolphin by the end of the day.

[miamidolphin4life]

Randy Starks and Philip Merling could be used to bring Orton to Miami. I have said this for awhile now since the Dolphins are stacked at D-Line and te Broncos need that. I dont wanna see Starks go he is a beast But we have Langford and Odrick who are both young studs. Also we resigned Tony McDaniel.

Orton Could be a Dolphin by the end of the day.

If it's anything more then Merling, **** them.

[JoeLegend]

If it's anything more then Merling, **** them.

I have been telling you this was gonna happen. You cant have Starks, Langford, and Odrick.

[wraith36444]

I have been telling you this was gonna happen. You cant have Starks, Langford, and Odrick.

We did last year. And Odrick is unproven as well, so that means zilch.

[JoeLegend]

We did last year. And Odrick is unproven as well, so that means zilch.

We did not think Solia would pan out at NT either.

[JoeLegend]

Reggie Bush has been traded to Miami. Dont know what Miami has gave up yet. The saints and Dolphins have agreed in principle Also the deal hidges on Bush accepting a new contract. I like this Deal

[miamidolphin4life]

I'll admit our offense looks a lot better this season then it did last year.

Wondering how we're going to work all these pieces in such a short time but I like what the front office has done this off-season.

[JoeLegend]

I'll admit our offense looks a lot better this season then it did last year.

Wondering how we're going to work all these pieces in such a short time but I like what the front office has done this off-season.

Don't forget drafting Edmund Gates. If he pans out thats alot of speed and play making on the field.

[miamidolphin4life]

Don't forget drafting Edmund Gates. If he pans out thats alot of speed and play making on the field.

He's part of how the pieces.

If we had a full off season I'd like our team much more going into the season.

Said we can contend for a playoff spot and am not backing down. Loving our team this year

[JoeLegend]

He's part of how the pieces.

If we had a full off season I'd like our team much more going into the season.

Said we can contend for a playoff spot and am not backing down. Loving our team this year

The column on PFT says that Bush will be our feature back. I dont buy that but if works great but the whole time he has been in the league I have not seen the potential to be a feature back. He will help on STs, 3rd downs and line up in slot.

[miamidolphin4life]

The column on PFT says that Bush will be our feature back. I dont buy that but if works great but the whole time he has been in the league I have not seen the potential to be a feature back. He will help on STs, 3rd downs and line up in slot.

Bush as a feature back?

Lol. He's nothing more then a 3rd down back and someone we can place in different packages.

[JoeLegend]

Bush as a feature back?

Lol. He's nothing more then a 3rd down back and someone we can place in different packages.

I agree

[JoeLegend]

Dolphins are interested in Manny Lawson. Nolan says he wants a 3 man roation at OLB.

[JoeLegend]

Looks like Orton to Miami is not a sure thing. Reggie Bush agreed to a 2 year deal worth 9.75 million. Part of the trade was Johnathan Amaya

[JoeLegend]

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/dolphins-sign-11-undrafted-rookie-free-agents--533486.html

Complete List of Miami's UDFA's

[miamidolphin4life]

Dolphins are interested in Manny Lawson. Nolan says he wants a 3 man roation at OLB.
He's a better fit in a 4-3. I want him to succed playing at his ideal position, so I hope we don't get him.

I'd like a stud against the run to put Crowder on the bench. Lets go after a Kirk Morrison and make him a two down LB, since I think AJ Edds will have an impact this year.


Looks like Orton to Miami is not a sure thing. Reggie Bush agreed to a 2 year deal worth 9.75 million. Part of the trade was Johnathan Amaya
Yea I saw that. Looks like we aren't going to let Starks go :)

Too much for Bush IMO...

[JoeLegend]

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/latest_news_on_kyle_orton_to_the_miami_dolphins/5781820

Here is the latest on Orton and it does not contain those 2 words you dont wanna hear.

[miamidolphin4life]

I love Jeff Ireland for the moment.

We shouldn't change our stance on this deal.

And I want a 6th or 7th round pick for Orton. They ARE going to have to cut him soon enough.

Or take crap for him.

[JoeLegend]

John Clayton reported the Orton trade may be off. This sucks. We spent 2 days trying to get him and now we may not its a waste of time. I really want Orton but it looks like VY will be our QB

[miamidolphin4life]

This trade negotiation has essentially come down to a staring contest. The Broncos have to get themselves under the salary cap, by restructuring Orton’s salary or trading him. The Dolphins, and every other NFL team, know this..

They CAN'T keep him on the roster. He has to go, unless he's willing to take a paycut to be a backup which you know he won't.

If you listened to the Broncos talk yesterday, they thought Orton was already gone.

They already announced Tebow is the starter, and giving reps to Kyle Orton is just making them look stupid since they are in rebuilding mode.

Ireland and company should **** on them now and make it a 5th round pick, because who else needs a QB?

Arizona and Minnesota(two teams interested) already made their moves. The Broncos are screwed.

[JoeLegend]

As of now its a 4th or 5th plus Merling Thats great for us. Just accept the dam deal so we can move on.

[miamidolphin4life]

I want a 6th or 7th round pick back.

Starting Kyle Orton would be so stupid for them because they're in rebuilding mode.

If they wanna be so stubborn though, go ahead.

[JoeLegend]

Rebuilding???? they are in a building mode. In order to rebuild you have to be built. Miami has solid pieces everywhere all we need is a QB. If they want a dam 3rd give it to them and lets move on. There are still players out there to be had and we have not signed any rookies yet. Today was the 1st day of training camp right. so thet are already 1 day behind

[miamidolphin4life]

Rebuilding???? they are in a building mode. In order to rebuild you have to be built. Miami has solid pieces everywhere all we need is a QB. If they want a dam 3rd give it to them and lets move on. There are still players out there to be had and we have not signed any rookies yet. Today was the 1st day of training camp right. so thet are already 1 day behind

Was talking about the Broncos.

It's a staring game now, Merling is going to be a stud for them so no.

Merling and a 4th for Orton and a 7th.

[wraith36444]

Why the hell did we trade for Bush?

[miamidolphin4life]

Why the hell did we trade for Bush?

Im guessing we REALLY wanted him.

[wraith36444]

Im guessing we REALLY wanted him.

Great, now we are going to sign the 15th best QB in the league and then try to recreate the 2006 Rose Bowl...

[miamidolphin4life]

Probably not.

I still think Kyle Orton will when it's alll set and done will be a Dolphin.

We weren't even interested with VY, just speculation and wildcat.

[Scar]

I'd much rather have orton, but will work in our system?

Will Sparano let him air it out like McDaniels did in Denver?

I sure as hell hope so.

Orton, Bush, Thomas, marshall Marshall MARSHALL and Bess make a nice little offense.

Let's get Todd Heap as well and our offense would be nice.

[miamidolphin4life]

I'd much rather have orton, but will work in our system?

Will Sparano let him air it out like McDaniels did in Denver?

I sure as hell hope so.

Orton, Bush, Thomas, marshall Marshall MARSHALL and Bess make a nice little offense.

Let's get Todd Heap as well and our offense would be nice.

No need for Heap, but our offense should be much better.

[Scar]

I'd take Heap over Fasano personally..but yeah, we do not NEED him.

[wraith36444]

We signed Kearse, Wilson and Clay today.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-charles-clay-signs-dolphins-20110728,0,709367.story

[miamidolphin4life]

Fasano is the better blocker and we have Charles Clay, who projects as a threat we can put anywhere on the field.

[JoeLegend]

Why the hell did we trade for Bush?

The Dolphins must have heard there was another team that wanted him and couldn't chance it after losing out on D-Will and Bradshaw

[wraith36444]

The Dolphins must have heard there was another team that wanted him and couldn't chance it after losing out on D-Will and Bradshaw

He is rarely on the field...

[JoeLegend]

I'm starting to think Orton will not come to Miami. The Broncos are not happy with our offer and Miami is no budging. VY looks to be heading to the Eagles. So it could be another year with Henne. But hey we got Pat Devlin. Dam it.

[JoeLegend]

He is rarely on the field...

That was in New Orleans. Also when he was he made an impact. We gave up Amaya and something else I dont know yet.

[Scar]

If Orton stays in Denver the Broncos are going to be super strapped in the cash department. We better not over pay him thogh, if we do continue to go after him.

The longer both parties wait, the worse its looking for Orton. Though soucres say he is looking better then tebow in training camp. So who knows!

[wraith36444]

I'm starting to think Orton will not come to Miami. The Broncos are not happy with our offer and Miami is no budging. VY looks to be heading to the Eagles. So it could be another year with Henne. But hey we got Pat Devlin. Dam it.

Good, Miami needs to stop trading away a ton of draft picks for players who normally do not pan out.

[JoeLegend]

Good, Miami needs to stop trading away a ton of draft picks for players who normally do not pan out.

Who have thraded for that dont pan out??? Orton would be good for us if they just give them a 3rd and Merling and move on already.

[miamidolphin4life]

Im happy with we didn't fail and put everything for Orton.

He isn't that good in the first place. If Orton starts for them they are idiots because Tebow is the man of the future, but the future is right now for them.

[wraith36444]

Who have thraded for that dont pan out??? Orton would be good for us if they just give them a 3rd and Merling and move on already.

Fiedler, Rosenfels, Harrington, Green, Culpepper, Feeley, Ayodele, Williams (considering what we gave up), off the top of my head

[JoeLegend]

Fiedler, Rosenfels, Harrington, Green, Culpepper, Feeley, Ayodele, Williams (considering what we gave up), off the top of my head

Your going way back Ayodele is the only one I will give ya but he came with Fasano and started 2 years so he was productive. Trash but productive.

[wraith36444]

I know we also traded for McQuistan

[wraith36444]

McQuistan, Ayodele/Fasano, Marshall, Thigpen, Ferguson, McDaniel are the trades that this regime has done that ceded draft position for player(s).

2 worked:

Ferguson, McDaniel

2 the jury is out on:

Marshall, Ayodele/Fasano

2 failed:

Thigpen and McQuistan.

That winning rate is not good.

[JoeLegend]

I know we also traded for McQuistan

He is a good depth O-Line player

[JoeLegend]

McQuistan, Ayodele/Fasano, Marshall, Thigpen, Ferguson, McDaniel are the trades that this regime has done that ceded draft position for player(s).

2 worked:

Ferguson, McDaniel

2 the jury is out on:

Marshall, Ayodele/Fasano

2 failed:

Thigpen and McQuistan.

That winning rate is not good.

Thigpen is the only bad one. And what did we do to get him give up 2 trashy O-Line men

[wraith36444]

We gave up a fifth rounder in 2010 to get Thiggy.

[wraith36444]

But since you want to see our trades so badly, I will be so kind as to enlighten you of our history since 2000 so you can see more of a trend.

http://www.miamidolphins.com/history/all-time-trades-2000-09

[JoeLegend]

We gave up a fifth rounder in 2010 to get Thiggy.

Your upset over losing a 5th

[JoeLegend]

But since you want to see our trades so badly, I will be so kind as to enlighten you of our history since 2000 so you can see more of a trend.

http://www.miamidolphins.com/history/all-time-trades-2000-09

I'm not worried about since 2000. Ireland has only been GM since 2008

[wraith36444]

Your upset over losing a 5th

We have wasted plenty of picks over the years, and at best, Ireland has a 50% success rate.

[wraith36444]

And we are signing Matt Moore. Guess no Orton.

[Scar]

That's dumb.

[miamidolphin4life]

May as put our name back in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes(like we ever left)

[wraith36444]

We cut Crowder.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/29/dolphins-cut-channing-crowder/

[miamidolphin4life]

Nick Barrnet, Kirk Morrison as replacements?

[wraith36444]

Nick Barrnet, Kirk Morrison as replacements?

Watch it be someone like Ernie Sims or Paris Lenon.

[miamidolphin4life]

Neither would suprise me. I'll keep the optimistic eye out though.

[wraith36444]

Neither would suprise me. I'll keep the optimistic eye out though.

It may be Brandon Siler!

Or we could use Austin Spitler or Tim Dobbins.

[miamidolphin4life]

Tim Dobbins blows.. AJ Edds is another potential candidate, but he's more of a coverage guy.

Kirk Morrison or Barnett, with Edds coming in on 3rd down against the pass sounds pretty good.

[JoeLegend]

And we are signing Matt Moore. Guess no Orton.

****ing Matt Moorre really. I hear the Orton Trade is dead but then some say it isnt.


We cut Crowder.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/29/dolphins-cut-channing-crowder/


Tim Dobbins blows.. AJ Edds is another potential candidate, but he's more of a coverage guy.

Kirk Morrison or Barnett, with Edds coming in on 3rd down against the pass sounds pretty good.

Kevin Burnett will replace Crowder. This is not the big splash I expected on Defense once we got a QB but I like it. Burnett will play alot better next to Dansby than Crowder did. On a side note I liked Crowder but he was never on the field. His trash talking got annoying when he was not on the field to back it up.

[miamidolphin4life]

WHY THE **** DO WE HAVE TO SIGN EVERY DALLAS COWBOYS SCRUB!

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[JoeLegend]

WHY THE **** DO WE HAVE TO SIGN EVERY DALLAS COWBOYS SCRUB!

a

He just came from the Chargers and he was good. 90 tackles and 6 sacks on the #1 D 2 FF and 2 INTs as well

[miamidolphin4life]

He just came from the Chargers and he was good. 90 tackles and 6 sacks on the #1 D 2 FF and 2 INTs as well

He started his career with the Cowboys and that Bill Parcells regime.

I'm happy with the signing but it's so bland and I saw it coming.

I wanted Barnett/Morrison. ****.

[JoeLegend]

He started his career with the Cowboys and that Bill Parcells regime.

I'm happy with the signing but it's so bland and I saw it coming.

I wanted Barnett/Morrison. ****.

I did to but at least we got Burnett and we are not going with Dobbins or Edds. I think our Front 7 just got alot better.

[miamidolphin4life]

I did to but at least we got Burnett and we are not going with Dobbins or Edds. I think our Front 7 just got alot better.

I think Edds will end up as a solid coverage LB, he isn't a 3 down player yet, but I agree.

I just hate it when we always have to add someone from the ****ing Cowboys.

[JoeLegend]

I think Edds will end up as a solid coverage LB, he isn't a 3 down player yet, but I agree.

I just hate it when we always have to add someone from the ****ing Cowboys.

I know but they like there own people. Thats why we are always tied to them. They wanted Burnett last year but got Dobbins instead.

[miamidolphin4life]

I know but they like there own people. Thats why we are always tied to them. They wanted Burnett last year but got Dobbins instead.

Oh well. Atleast this means Dobbins doesn't have to see the field this season since he was putrid last season.

[JoeLegend]

Oh well. Atleast this means Dobbins doesn't have to see the field this season since he was putrid last season.

Well he will still get PT just not as much. 1 thing does worry me. Burnett played 6 seasons and only last year he started all 16 games. But like I said he will be playing next to Dansby so it should be a awesome duo on the Inside

[JoeLegend]

all rookies have signed except Gates and Pouncey. I wonder whats taking so long.

[JoeLegend]

Gates signed. 1 more rookie to go.

[JoeLegend]

Talks from day 1 of camp is the Dolphins looked bad. I will excuse this since its day 1 and Jake Long and Mike Pouncey was not on the field. New system as well. Hope it gets better

[JoeLegend]

Didn't know if anyone else heard this but there are talks that Miami is interested in TE Zach Miller. After it came out Miami said they are not but thats how they are. It was the same with Brandon marshall last year. Zach Miller would be a great addition.

[miamidolphin4life]

Didn't know if anyone else heard this but there are talks that Miami is interested in TE Zach Miller. After it came out Miami said they are not but thats how they are. It was the same with Brandon marshall last year. Zach Miller would be a great addition.

That would be awsome. As long as we don't overpay him, I'd absolutely love that addition.

[JoeLegend]

That would be awsome. As long as we don't overpay him, I'd absolutely love that addition.

I agree get it done quick while the Raiders are playing around.

[wraith36444]

That would be awsome. As long as we don't overpay him, I'd absolutely love that addition.

Which means that it will not happen.

[miamidolphin4life]

I'm just going to put it out like this

Our off-season hasn't been as bad as your making it.

What's gotten you so upset that you think we're as bad as the Redskins?

[wraith36444]

I'm just going to put it out like this

Our off-season hasn't been as bad as your making it.

What's gotten you so upset that you think we're as bad as the Redskins?

The Reggie Bush trade and contract is idiotic, as is the plan to use him as an every down back.

We hired an OC who fielded one of the two worse offenses than the Fins did in 2010 and was so bad that the Browns thought he was unfit to lead their offense.

I have explained my lack of happiness with our draft choices.

Ireland and Ross made Sparano look like an idiot (when wooing Harbaugh) and Zorned him.

There is large speculation that Ross was the person who nixed the Orton deal. He then went on to say that Orton=Henne.

Our FA moves other than Tony McDaniel and Trusnik, were abysmal. I have mentioned Bush already, and Moore was horrible last year, and Burnett is not really that good. It also seems that Ireland is not scouting many other teams players, but recycling the same scrubs (in most cases) that he scouted in Dallas. Hell, they even signed Barbie Carpenter.

This is in addition to a team that was fortunate to be 7-9 last year.

[JoeLegend]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/30/fins-agree-to-terms-with-pouncey/

Mike Pouncey signs

[JoeLegend]

The Reggie Bush trade and contract is idiotic, as is the plan to use him as an every down back.

We hired an OC who fielded one of the two worse offenses than the Fins did in 2010 and was so bad that the Browns thought he was unfit to lead their offense.

I have explained my lack of happiness with our draft choices.

Ireland and Ross made Sparano look like an idiot (when wooing Harbaugh) and Zorned him.

There is large speculation that Ross was the person who nixed the Orton deal. He then went on to say that Orton=Henne.

Our FA moves other than Tony McDaniel and Trusnik, were abysmal. I have mentioned Bush already, and Moore was horrible last year, and Burnett is not really that good. It also seems that Ireland is not scouting many other teams players, but recycling the same scrubs (in most cases) that he scouted in Dallas. Hell, they even signed Barbie Carpenter.

This is in addition to a team that was fortunate to be 7-9 last year.

Wraith i think you need a hug

[JoeLegend]

Day 2 of training camp. This is what I hear. Miami looked alot better than yesterday. Gates showed off his speed and looked good. I watched Daniel Thomas in a interview and dude is huge. A few things that make me worry. 1) he looked nervous 2) he said he cant breathe in the Miami heat.

[wraith36444]

Wraith i think you need a hug

It is an honest answer to MDFL's question.

[JoeLegend]

It is an honest answer to MDFL's question.

I will agree with Ireland and Ross made Sparano look like a idiot and that Bush should not be are feature back but the rest is reaching and pouting.

[wraith36444]

I will agree with Ireland and Ross made Sparano look like a idiot and that Bush should not be are feature back but the rest is reaching and pouting.

Be a bit more specific. Show me which assessments of mine you disagree with and why I should be okay with it,

[JoeLegend]

The Reggie Bush trade and contract is idiotic, as is the plan to use him as an every down back.

We hired an OC who fielded one of the two worse offenses than the Fins did in 2010 and was so bad that the Browns thought he was unfit to lead their offense.

I have explained my lack of happiness with our draft choices.

Ireland and Ross made Sparano look like an idiot (when wooing Harbaugh) and Zorned him.

There is large speculation that Ross was the person who nixed the Orton deal. He then went on to say that Orton=Henne.

Our FA moves other than Tony McDaniel and Trusnik, were abysmal. I have mentioned Bush already, and Moore was horrible last year, and Burnett is not really that good. It also seems that Ireland is not scouting many other teams players, but recycling the same scrubs (in most cases) that he scouted in Dallas. Hell, they even signed Barbie Carpenter.

This is in addition to a team that was fortunate to be 7-9 last year.

The Reggie Bush trade makes since. They lost out on DeAngelo and Bradshaw. The did not want to take a chance at losing out on Bush.

We have more offensivly then the Browns did last year. Give the OC a chance.

Miami had a solid draft. They field alot of needs and more importantly they did not pull a minnesota and reach on a QB.

matt moore is nothing but a back up cuz all we have are Pat Devlin and branstretter. Good pick up as a back up. Burnett is good look at what he did last year on the #1 D 90 tackles 6 sacks 2 INTs 2 FFs. thats a step up from Crowder. its a short offseason so they are getting guys they know something about.

[miamidolphin4life]

The Reggie Bush trade and contract is idiotic, as is the plan to use him as an every down back.
Okay, but we traded a scrub that no really knew about. The contract was too much but it's only a two year deal and it didn't kill us in terms of cap room. Yea that's the plan but Bush is too brittle to last that long. I think we realize that Bush isn't the guy to be an every down back and even if we don't, once he gets injured in week 3 it forces the hand to play Thomas more.

We hired an OC who fielded one of the two worse offenses than the Fins did in 2010 and was so bad that the Browns thought he was unfit to lead their offense.
Yea that was a dumb move and I didn't like it. However I'll agree with Joe when I say that we're a trillion times better on offense then the Browns were. Their offensive line is better, but Henne was better then McCoy(in his rookie year atleast), Delhomme and Wallace. Plus we had a moron in Henning who continued to allow Henne to throw the ball 30 times every game. I doubt Daboll is as bad.

I have explained my lack of happiness with our draft choices.
We've already talked about that so I'll skip it. I'll just say though, they didn't take Mallet because he's a rookie and if we suck they are gone. Everything is down to this year for Sparano.

Ireland and Ross made Sparano look like an idiot (when wooing Harbaugh) and Zorned him.
We won't see how that truely will impact the team until the season starts. No one went James Harrison on the team, so that's a positive sign.

There is large speculation that Ross was the person who nixed the Orton deal. He then went on to say that Orton=Henne.
That inside info we don't know. And why say Orton is the better guy if he's NOT on the team? Look we all think Chad Henne sucks and should be replace, but if he's the starting QB right now and Orton isn't coming, why say he's better then the one you've got?

Imo your reaching on that one, and Kyle Orton is not worth 7 mill or however much he's making. If Henne sucks, we'll be drafting a QB early. Orton is average and if we get him, he's restructing his deal so he can stay multiple years. I'd rather have Henne and suck.

Our FA moves other than Tony McDaniel and Trusnik, were abysmal. I have mentioned Bush already, and Moore was horrible last year, and Burnett is not really that good. It also seems that Ireland is not scouting many other teams players, but recycling the same scrubs (in most cases) that he scouted in Dallas. Hell, they even signed Barbie Carpenter.
Are you really complaining about signing a backup QB to a deal that has absolutely no effect on our starting lineup and what we'll do this season? I didn't like the signing but like Walt said, it's nothing big. I agree with you on Burnett and Ireland only scouting Cowgirls though.

This is in addition to a team that was fortunate to be 7-9 last year.
There's so many intangibles to the season. I can easily switch that up and say we should have made the playoffs but got robbed by the Refs against the Steelers, blew the Lions game, and if Nolan Carroll catches that INT against the Browns we win.

See that's 10-6 right there. Could say the same about the Bears and how lucky they were to go 12-4. Once again I just think your gasping at straws here.


Look, I'm not saying we're playoff team by any means and I'm not saying this offseason has been awsome, but you just seem find any reasons to say the Dolphins suck. I still think we're a bottom 12 team, but we're closer to team 20 then team 32.


Day 2 of training camp. This is what I hear. Miami looked alot better than yesterday. Gates showed off his speed and looked good. I watched Daniel Thomas in a interview and dude is huge. A few things that make me worry. 1) he looked nervous 2) he said he cant breathe in the Miami heat.
That's good.

Don't worry about Thomas. This first week for him will be hell in the heat, but you get used to it.

As someone who's played football down here, it takes a while to adjust but he'll be fine.


It is an honest answer to MDFL's question.
I'd much rather be MD4L. Thanks

[wraith36444]

The Reggie Bush trade makes since. They lost out on DeAngelo and Bradshaw. The did not want to take a chance at losing out on Bush.

Bush is being overpaid for a back who has minimal impact in most games and it reeks of a Ross signing to bring some celebrity name to the Fins. The fact that he is often injured does not help.

We have more offensivly then the Browns did last year. Give the OC a chance.

Not as much as you would think. They had a better QB and TE. We had better WRs. The OL is a toss up.

Miami had a solid draft. They field alot of needs and more importantly they did not pull a minnesota and reach on a QB.

We have gone over this before, so I will spare this thread the wall of text.

matt moore is nothing but a back up cuz all we have are Pat Devlin and branstretter. Good pick up as a back up. Burnett is good look at what he did last year on the #1 D 90 tackles 6 sacks 2 INTs 2 FFs. thats a step up from Crowder. its a short offseason so they are getting guys they know something about.

The point of getting a QB was to show Henne that he had to work for the starting job. Bringing in a guy that is no threat to Henne will not make him do that and that there is the issue. You are reading straight into stats again and he probably was asked to blitz more than Crowder. Still he is not worth that type of money as most people agree.


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[miamidolphin4life]

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Two year contract for Bush, so even if sucks it up(which he probably will) it's only two years. Like I said it doesn't kill us in terms of cap, so I can't kill myself because of the signing.

Once again this is where the Henne hate goes to far. That's McCoy in his rookie year and even towards the end of it he started to get exploit for what he really was. We had a hard-on for Henne coming into his 2nd season as a starter and like McCoy we will see how good he truely is. I'd give Henne the advantage IMO. Also don't forget the Browns started Delhomme, and Senca Wallace this season. I'd give the Browns the advantage at RB as well, and TE is a split. Both could be upgraded.

Look Henne has been ****ted on by the fans, media, and everyone around him. If he can't get it now, then he never will. Simple. His job has been in danger throughout the off season. If he can't get it now, if that didn't inspire him to work his ass off during the lockout then he just will never get it. Since we also wouldn't have got Orton, this would mean we're drafting a QB in the first round of the draft next year

[wraith36444]

Two year contract for Bush, so even if sucks it up(which he probably will) it's only two years. Like I said it doesn't kill us in terms of cap, so I can't kill myself because of the signing. Then how is this good at all. You have two RBs in a run heavy offense. A veteran who is an injury probe scatback and a fumble-prone rookie in a lockout year?

Once again this is where the Henne hate goes to far. That's McCoy in his rookie year and even towards the end of it he started to get exploit for what he really was. We had a hard-on for Henne coming into his 2nd season as a starter and like McCoy we will see how good he truely is. I'd give Henne the advantage IMO. Also don't forget the Browns started Delhomme, and Senca Wallace this season. I'd give the Browns the advantage at RB as well, and TE is a split. Both could be upgraded. Fine, but we can safely say that the Browns offense was not miles worse (if it is at all) than the Fins offense, right? That is what seems to be everyone's mantra as to why Daboll will be a passable OC in Miami.

Look Henne has been ****ted on by the fans, media, and everyone around him. If he can't get it now, then he never will. Simple. His job has been in danger throughout the off season. If he can't get it now, if that didn't inspire him to work his ass off during the lockout then he just will never get it. Since we also wouldn't have got Orton, this would mean we're drafting a QB in the first round of the draft next year. Henne has not had a work ethic problem, he has had a confidence problem, which having the fans sh*t on him will not help, but hurt him. Teammates are noticing it too: "Karlos Dansby said he's going to be keeping an eye on Chad Henne. "Body language says a lot about a player.""



The training camp reports are not any better for Henne:

"
-- Henne making some curious throws in this 7-on-7 exercise.

-- Henne just led Hartline right into a defender in 7-on-7 ... would have been a huge collision if there was full contact.

-- To prevent myself from being accused as a Chad Henne hater from this point out I'll only point out the positive things he does. Wait 4 it

-- Another fumbled snap. Henne just dropped that one. Appeared to be psyched out by the D.

[miamidolphin4life]

The Bush signing is decent because it gives us a solid RB corp. It's no where near the best, but it's alright. Bush is going to be a matchup problem whom like I said earlier "will pose a threat, but the presence is bigger then the actaul talent." The other reason is Bush puts peoples butts in the seat. You don't know how much people down here are saying "OMG Reggie Bush! We're playoff team now!"

I never said Daboll will be a passable OC, I just said the Dolphins offense has more talent then the Browns offense. It's very likely that our offense will suck, but I don't think it'll be worse then it was last season.

Yea that confidence problem was pretty bad. He thinks he sucks, which is bad since he's the leader of the team. I think he needs the team to come and tell him that they belive in him. Hopefully Dansby does that, because Henne needs all the confidence he can get.


The training camp reports are not any better for Henne:

"
-- Henne making some curious throws in this 7-on-7 exercise.

-- Henne just led Hartline right into a defender in 7-on-7 ... would have been a huge collision if there was full contact.

-- To prevent myself from being accused as a Chad Henne hater from this point out I'll only point out the positive things he does. Wait 4 it

-- Another fumbled snap. Henne just dropped that one. Appeared to be psyched out by the D.

Whoops! One bad day, but granted it's one day. We've seen Sanchez go through stretches like this.

Give it another couple days or so, and I'm letting you know: If we get Kyle Orton he's redoing his contract so he can stay here for multiple years.

And with that heavy deal, it becomes unlikely we draft a QB high in the first round.

[miamidolphin4life]

Sparano says there's no way whole offense will be close to being installed by season-opener against Pats. Focus will be on Pats prep.

-- Henne had Marshall open deep down left sideline. Underthrown. Incomplete. Some in crowd groan.

-- Brandon Fields can punt a football a long ways.

-- Henne just made a nice improv play. Scrambled to left to escape pressure. Fired to Marshall over the middle.

-- Long pass from Pat Devlin to Patrick Carter draws only cheers of day from Dolfans. Pass was down right sideline - 35 yards or so.

-- Reggie Bush, other newcomers active in following practice though they can't participate yet.

-- Dolphins doing some 11-on-11 now. Defense appears to be winning the battle.

-- Chad Henne just connected with Fasano over the middle for a big gain in 7-on-7.

-- Dolphins have had a lot of issues with snapping in first two practices. Need Mike Pouncey to get in and ready.

-- Both Daniel Thomas and Clyde Gates are practicing today.

-- Reggie Bush wearing a No. 8 jersey while he watches practice.

-- Awaiting the start of practice. Dolphins have taken the field.

-- Dolphins first-round pick Mike Pouncey hasn't agreed to terms on his rookie deal, so he won't be practicing.

-- Karlos Dansby said Reggie Bush told him he was the only LB who was ever to stick with him downfield.

-- The Dolphins practiced in shorts and shoulder pads in front of 1,116 fans for two hours on Friday morning to open training camp

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[wraith36444]

So our solution to our QB problem is Kyle Orton? And not trying to get a marquee QB next year? How is that remotely a solution to the issue?

The confidence is the issue as well as the well-known fact that if the Fins get off to a bad start this year that Sparano and possibly Ireland are as good as gone, and there is a strong possibility that the team will quit.

Bush was signed to create hype in So. Fla., which is what Ross wants.

And that one bad day looks exactly like last year, which is why it is alarming. No confidence, inaccuracy, the same crap as last year.

[JoeLegend]

Miami signed free agent NT Ronald Fields. Not surprised since he started for Noaln in Denver and also played for him in San Fran. I like the addition the D-Line gets better and better.

An interesting Rumor that even Wraith might like (I'm sure he will hate). The Dolphins are interested and are in talks with free agent Center Shawn O'Hara. That will move Pouncey to Guard where some people think he is a better fit. I love that I think by adding O'Hara that will give Miami a top 5 O-Line if Pouncey plays up to his potential.

Thoughts??

[miamidolphin4life]

So our solution to our QB problem is Kyle Orton? And not trying to get a marquee QB next year? How is that remotely a solution to the issue?

The confidence is the issue as well as the well-known fact that if the Fins get off to a bad start this year that Sparano and possibly Ireland are as good as gone, and there is a strong possibility that the team will quit.

Bush was signed to create hype in So. Fla., which is what Ross wants.

And that one bad day looks exactly like last year, which is why it is alarming. No confidence, inaccuracy, the same crap as last year.

You must really be doubting how inept our FO can be. If we get Orton, we wanted him to take a pay cut so we could extend him for more then one year, which is one of the biggest reasons why the deal didn't go through.

That week 1 game against the Pats is huge. I strongly think we play that game as if it's our SB. They embarrassed by the Pats last season so if we don't show for that game, it'll be all I need to see.

We will see if Miami ups their pursuit for Kyle Orton, because they aren't going to the season with Henne playing like ****.



Miami signed free agent NT Ronald Fields. Not surprised since he started for Noaln in Denver and also played for him in San Fran. I like the addition the D-Line gets better and better.

An interesting Rumor that even Wraith might like (I'm sure he will hate). The Dolphins are interested and are in talks with free agent Center Shawn O'Hara. That will move Pouncey to Guard where some people think he is a better fit. I love that I think by adding O'Hara that will give Miami a top 5 O-Line if Pouncey plays up to his potential.

Thoughts??

Nothing more then a depth guy with Fields. He's a nice rotational guy but there's no way he's a starter.

O'Hara? Isn't he coming off an injury? He wasn't even that good last season.

I'd much rather us go after Rich Seubert who can play Center, but even he is coming off a serious injury :(

[JoeLegend]

You must really be doubting how inept our FO can be. If we get Orton, we wanted him to take a pay cut so we could extend him for more then one year, which is one of the biggest reasons why the deal didn't go through.

That week 1 game against the Pats is huge. I strongly think we play that game as if it's our SB. They embarrassed by the Pats last season so if we don't show for that game, it'll be all I need to see.

We will see if Miami ups their pursuit for Kyle Orton, because they aren't going to the season with Henne playing like ****.




Nothing more then a depth guy with Fields. He's a nice rotational guy but there's no way he's a starter.

O'Hara? Isn't he coming off an injury? He wasn't even that good last season.

I'd much rather us go after Rich Seubert who can play Center, but even he is coming off a serious injury :(

I said I liked Fields as a Depth guy. O'Hara is way better than Berger and Pouncey should be a stud at Guard. If not then Pouncey stays at Center and Jerry is Guard.

[JoeLegend]

2 rookies opeining eyes in training camp. Gates ahs been getting behind the seocdary and streaching the field. 7th round pick Jimmy Wilson. He has 2 INTs and has been in the right spots all practice. What I read.

[JoeLegend]

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/07/dolphins-snooping-around-for-guards.html

There MD4L

[JoeLegend]

Just tweeted by Jeff Darlington dolphins writer and a cowboys writer. The Dolphins have signed Marc Columbo. I dont get this move we have Vernon Carey at RT. Maybe he will be traded or released.

Also the Dolphins liked what they saw in Shawn O'Hara and are now in contract talks. Rumor is Pouncey and O'Hara will compete for Center and the loser will move to RG.

Miami resigned Jason taylor again. That should kill the Manny Lawson rumor

[wraith36444]

Just because you used to work for the Cowboys does not need that you need to bring in every scrub who has been on that team!

[JoeLegend]

Columbo will be a good back up. Come on

[JoeLegend]

Dolphins waived LB Tim Dobbins and brought another UDFA LB Mark Masterson 6-2 240 ILB from Maine

[wraith36444]

What has happened to our fanbase?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/01/dolphins-fans-chant-we-want-orton-at-training-camp/

[wraith36444]

Day 4...

"Chad Henne had a lackluster showing during Monday night's scrimmage at Sun Life Stadium, and many of the 10,109 fans in attendance let him know it.

Henne was booed a couple of times following poor throws. But after rookie OLB Jonathan Freeny deflected a pass intended for an open Anthony Fasano the fans booed louder, then chanted "We Want [Kyle] Orton," referring to the Denver quarterback the Dolphins tried to trade for. ...

Matt Kopa started at left tackle, and D.J. Jones started at right tackle. …



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WR Julius Pruitt caught a 25-yard pass from Tom Brandstater, cut it inside, shook the safety and sprinted another 40 yards into the end zone.

Yeremiah Bell intercepted a Henne pass, which Fasano actually caught but bobbled in the air before hitting the ground. …

Rookie WR Clyde Gates and Phillip Livas and TB Nic Grigsby fielded the Dolphins' kickoffs. Gates and Livas showed off their sub 4.4 speed regularly.

Who's up?

Nose tackle Paul Soliai, who was slapped with the franchise tag this offseason, has been unblockable the first week of camp. In the first play of the inside run drill Soliai penetrated the line of scrimmage and blasted rookie tailback Daniel Thomas with a tackle for loss.

Who's down?

A day after impressing many with a strong performance, rookie QB Pat Devlin struggled mightily during the early scrimmage portion of Monday night's practice. Devlin was sacked three straight times, and on the final sack Jared Odrick stripped the ball from his hand, forcing a fumble. However, in the second phase of the scrimmage Devlin completed a long pass to Brian Hartline.

Injury report

OT Jake Long, who is nursing a left knee issue, sat out his fourth straight practice."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-miami-dolphins-rail-0802-20110801,0,4128567.story

[JoeLegend]

Vernon Carey was told to take the day off by Sparano. Sounds like a trade is coming. With Columbo coming in I'm not surptised

[wraith36444]

Carey to the Bears?

[JoeLegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuFsz72G0K8

Listen to the crowd lose it when Henne threw a pick to Bell. Fasano bobbled it but the fans have turned on Henne so bad its time for a change. There is no way Miami can start week 1 with Henne at QB. Make the Trade for Orton ASAP. 3rd and Merling make it happen. If that dont work add A 3rd or 4th next year as well.

[JoeLegend]

Miami has asked Vernon Carey to take a pay cut. Carey Mulls decision.

[JoeLegend]

Vernon Carey accepts his pay reduction and moves to RG so Columbo can start at RT. If Carey to RG works Miami's O-Line is looking pretty good.

Miami worked out Tiki last night and said he looks good but want to wait and see how our current crop of RBs do.

[wraith36444]

Vernon Carey accepts his pay reduction and moves to RG so Columbo can start at RT. If Carey to RG works Miami's O-Line is looking pretty good.

Miami worked out Tiki last night and said he looks good but want to wait and see how our current crop of RBs do.

Apparently, Thomas is sucking it up.

[JoeLegend]

Apparently, Thomas is sucking it up.

All I have heard about him is he is having a hard time adjusting to the heat. He did look real nervous in his 1st press confrence.

Sparano mentioned Nate Garner in his press confrence. I was unaware that we resigned him.

[wraith36444]

Here is the Thomas stuff from today's TC:

"-- Can't lie. I've seen better runs during inside run drill from Lousaka Polite than Daniel Thomas. Let us not panic. It's early. He's learning.



-- I'm not a big fan of Daniel Thomas running toss sweeps. Just saying."

The rookie that is looking the best for us is...

CB Jimmy Wilson. By all accounts, he has had a terrific camp and may be in the mix at safety (he is a very physical player who gets picks). Reshad Jones also is looking very good.

The other rookies are not looking so good, though Gates's speed is a major asset. Pouncey is getting owned by Soliai and having trouble snapping the ball. Clay has not had a lot said about him minus a drop where he got wide open. I have heard less about Kearse.

I hate the arey to guard thing, since I have no idea who will be out RT, which opens us up to pass rushers along the right side and considering Henne's lack of pocket presence... It seems like Sparano cannot stop tinkering with the OL and just let it gel.

The DL as a whole has been insane and been dominating the Fins interior of the line. Odrick is apparently looking like the real deal.

[JoeLegend]

Here is the Thomas stuff from today's TC:

"-- Can't lie. I've seen better runs during inside run drill from Lousaka Polite than Daniel Thomas. Let us not panic. It's early. He's learning.



-- I'm not a big fan of Daniel Thomas running toss sweeps. Just saying."

The rookie that is looking the best for us is...

CB Jimmy Wilson. By all accounts, he has had a terrific camp and may be in the mix at safety (he is a very physical player who gets picks). Reshad Jones also is looking very good.

The other rookies are not looking so good, though Gates's speed is a major asset. Pouncey is getting owned by Soliai and having trouble snapping the ball. Clay has not had a lot said about him minus a drop where he got wide open. I have heard less about Kearse.

I hate the arey to guard thing, since I have no idea who will be out RT, which opens us up to pass rushers along the right side and considering Henne's lack of pocket presence... It seems like Sparano cannot stop tinkering with the OL and just let it gel.

The DL as a whole has been insane and been dominating the Fins interior of the line. Odrick is apparently looking like the real deal.

I have heard nothing but good things about Jimmy Wilson. They D-Line is just beasting form what I hear but at the same time Jake Long is on PUP so lets not get over excited. Most likely Columbo will be RT. Carey has the size to be a guard and feet work as well. He just is not the same RT he was a few years back.

[Scar]

How does Marshall look? Is he fully recovered from that stabbing yet?

[JoeLegend]

How does Marshall look? Is he fully recovered from that stabbing yet?

Have not heard anything about him on the field.

[JoeLegend]

After the 1st preseason game here is a look at my final roster.

QB- Henne, Moore, Devlin
HB- Bush, Thomas, Hilliard
FB- Polite
WR- Marshall, Bess, Hartline, Wallace, Gates, Livas
TE- Fasano, Clay, Mastrud
OT- Long, Murtha, Columbo, Garner
G- Incognito, Carey, Fienga, Jerry.
C- Pouncey, Berger

DE- Starks, Langford, Odrick, Merling, McDaniels
DT- Solia, Fields
OLB- Wake, Misi, Taylor, Francis
ILB- Dansby, Burnett, Edds, Splitler
CB- Davis, Smith, Sapp, Wilson, Ness
SS- Bell, Culver
FS- Clemons, Jones

K- Carpenter
P- Fields
LS- Denney

5 players outside looking in: CB Will Allen, WR Marlon Moore, OLB Jason Trusnik, CB Nolan Carroll, RB Kory Sheets.

[wraith36444]

Last night was awful.

[JoeLegend]

Last night was awful.

Not really. I think you are the type a person that has low expectations so your never disapointed.

[wraith36444]

Not really. I think you are the type a person that has low expectations so your never disapointed.

And some how even I was disappointed.

[claybornkilla]

I know it's super early but really says something about your draft class when your 7th rounder plays the best.

1/Pouncey looked ok, not great, not terrible, needs experience.
2/Thomas needs more time, O-line not helping, made a good run after the catch. Hasn't been great in camp so far. Worried about RB depth
3/Clay, did he even play?
4/Gates, awful returning kicks, didn't make the first guy miss, have to watch more of his running routes+ catching the ball though.
5/Kearse, UMMMM......

What's the over/under wins for this regime to keep its job?

[JoeLegend]

I know it's super early but really says something about your draft class when your 7th rounder plays the best.

1/Pouncey looked ok, not great, not terrible, needs experience.
2/Thomas needs more time, O-line not helping, made a good run after the catch. Hasn't been great in camp so far. Worried about RB depth
3/Clay, did he even play?
4/Gates, awful returning kicks, didn't make the first guy miss, have to watch more of his running routes+ catching the ball though.
5/Kearse, UMMMM......

What's the over/under wins for this regime to keep its job?

I think Jimmy Wilson is just that good. I like what I saw out of Frank Kearse he did not make any stats but looked good at NT. I hope he makes the practice squad. Sparano 9 wins. Ireland is not going anywhere

[claybornkilla]

I think Jimmy Wilson is just that good. I like what I saw out of Frank Kearse he did not make any stats but looked good at NT. I hope he makes the practice squad. Sparano 9 wins. Ireland is not going anywhere

Really? I was under the impression that Ireland was just as much on the hot seat as Sparano this year.

[JoeLegend]

Really? I was under the impression that Ireland was just as much on the hot seat as Sparano this year.

Ireland got an extension. Ross really likes him and he is good at bringing in talent.

[Scar]

I liked what I saw last night from Bush and Marshall.

[Dolfan1980]

The O-line looked a little better against the panthers. Henne and Marshall seem to be getting along. They never looked like they were on the same page last season. And lord willing Bush can make it through the whole season Henne does love the check down

[JoeLegend]

Remember Jake Long is not playing so the O-Line will only get better.

[Dolfan1980]

Remember Jake Long is not playing so the O-Line will only get better.

Yea what do you think about Murtha? He had a few bonehead penalties but do you think he could move to the right side when Jake comes back? Not very confident in Columbo

[JoeLegend]

Yea what do you think about Murtha? He had a few bonehead penalties but do you think he could move to the right side when Jake comes back? Not very confident in Columbo

I want to see him at the right side first. I'm tired of moving people around on the O-Line every year. Yeah i think he could play the right side he seems to be a tough SOB but I have not really watched him that much. I just want to see Jake Long play already so we can see a complete O-Line.

[Dolfan1980]

I want to see him at the right side first. I'm tired of moving people around on the O-Line every year. Yeah i think he could play the right side he seems to be a tough SOB but I have not really watched him that much. I just want to see Jake Long play already so we can see a complete O-Line.

Yea I think the O- line is the key. You give Henne a strong line and a decent run game he puts up better numbers.

[JoeLegend]

Yea I think the O- line is the key. You give Henne a strong line and a decent run game he puts up better numbers.

Long, Incognito, Pouncey, and Carey will be good. RT is a question with Murtha and Columbo but its not as bad as people make it out to be. Miami should have a solid O-Line this year.

[wraith36444]

Ireland got an extension. Ross really likes him and he is good at bringing in talent.

Sparano got an extension too...

[JoeLegend]

Sparano got an extension too...

Ross did not try to replace Ireland.

[wraith36444]

Ross is also an idiot.

[JoeLegend]

Ross is also an idiot.

LOL why cuz you dont like Jeff Ireland. Do you like anyone that has anything to do with the Dolphins. Why are you even a fan. LOL

[claybornkilla]

iRELAND is good
hes whiffed on some picks (jerry)
but he's made some good 1s too, brought in talent marhsall,dansby, burnett
oline is garbage right now though

[JoeLegend]

iRELAND is good
hes whiffed on some picks (jerry)
but he's made some good 1s too, brought in talent marhsall,dansby, burnett
oline is garbage right now though

The O-Line is good now. I am disappointed in Jerry but then again he was a 3rd round pick. The 1 pick that pissed me off was Pat White in the 2nd. How is Miami's O-Line garbage. Long, Incognito, Pouncey, Carey, and Murtha/Columbo.

[claybornkilla]

The O-Line is good now. I am disappointed in Jerry but then again he was a 3rd round pick. The 1 pick that pissed me off was Pat White in the 2nd. How is Miami's O-Line garbage. Long, Incognito, Pouncey, Carey, and Murtha/Columbo.


i think jerry was the worst pick because he was supposed to be a safe pick and this regime is supposed to know o-line.
i hate how sparano's expertise is supposed to be o-line yet it's probably the biggest weak link of the team , he got too ****y dismantling the 09 line, tinkering too much
anyways long rules, goes without saying, incognito sucks! he's average in run blocking but he always gets knocked back in pass pro, pouncey is a rookie, and is not as good as his brother he will have lots of growing pains, carey never played inside before is average at best nowadays, and colombo was one of the worst rts last yr and hasn't shown much so far, gets killed by speed rushers everytime, ok run blocker. they should put incognito at c and pouncey at lg so he can pull, but the FO wants to save face by playing pouncey at c oh well, they were in a bad spot at 15.
and murtha is just depth, too many penalties against the panthers

love the datko pick in walt's mock, but i doubt they will be picking first in the 2nd round.

[JoeLegend]

i think jerry was the worst pick because he was supposed to be a safe pick and this regime is supposed to know o-line.
i hate how sparano's expertise is supposed to be o-line yet it's probably the biggest weak link of the team , he got too ****y dismantling the 09 line, tinkering too much
anyways long rules, goes without saying, incognito sucks! he's average in run blocking but he always gets knocked back in pass pro, pouncey is a rookie, and is not as good as his brother he will have lots of growing pains, carey never played inside before is average at best nowadays, and colombo was one of the worst rts last yr and hasn't shown much so far, gets killed by speed rushers everytime, ok run blocker. they should put incognito at c and pouncey at lg so he can pull, but the FO wants to save face by playing pouncey at c oh well, they were in a bad spot at 15.
and murtha is just depth, too many penalties against the panthers

love the datko pick in walt's mock, but i doubt they will be picking first in the 2nd round.

Incognito sucks what LOL. Makes me think you did not watch last year. I will give you Pouncey is a rookie but he is a upgrade over Berger. I like what I ahve seen from Carey at Guard. I think Murtha will beat out Columbo at RT. I like Murtha he is raw but has talent. Jerry was ok last year until he got injured I dont know what Happen. Donald Thomas was the same way.

[claybornkilla]

Incognito sucks what LOL. Makes me think you did not watch last year. I will give you Pouncey is a rookie but he is a upgrade over Berger. I like what I ahve seen from Carey at Guard. I think Murtha will beat out Columbo at RT. I like Murtha he is raw but has talent. Jerry was ok last year until he got injured I dont know what Happen. Donald Thomas was the same way.

oh yeah, incognito was the reason why the dolphins were so effective on the ground last year...
i vividly remember the tennessee and detroits games where he kept on getting manhandled . he was second in sacks allowed last year o nthe dolphins line and 1st in qb pressures
incognito is a good back up, he's not a starter. you cant look at incognito and be like yeah were set at lg from now own. atleast he didn't commit any dumb penalties

[JoeLegend]

oh yeah, incognito was the reason why the dolphins were so effective on the ground last year...
i vividly remember the tennessee and detroits games where he kept on getting manhandled . he was second in sacks allowed last year o nthe dolphins line and 1st in qb pressures
incognito is a good back up, he's not a starter. you cant look at incognito and be like yeah were set at lg from now own. atleast he didn't commit any dumb penalties

Um I think it was the center RG and RT. I'm not gonna say he was great but he was good. I think for the Lions game he was playing Center. I'm not understanding what your getting at. Your the only person I have heard say that Incognito was garbage last year.

[claybornkilla]

Um I think it was the center RG and RT. I'm not gonna say he was great but he was good. I think for the Lions game he was playing Center. I'm not understanding what your getting at. Your the only person I have heard say that Incognito was garbage last year.

I'm getting at, save for Long, this line needs a lot of work in my opinion.

[JoeLegend]

Also as far as Incognito being 2nd in sacks allowed on the O-Line That could be becuase he was other than Jake Long he played every game. As for the Titans game thats the game where Long got injured so he had Berger on oneside and McQuiston on the other

[JoeLegend]

I'm getting at, save for Long, this line needs a lot of work in my opinion.

Well I guess you have yours and I have mine. I think RT may be it but then again Murtha like I said has talent.

[JoeLegend]

YES!!!!!! Jake Long is off PUP and practicing.

[claybornkilla]

Well I guess you have yours and I have mine. I think RT may be it but then again Murtha like I said has talent.

Rewatching the Panthers game right now.
Murtha going up against C Johnson, so I'll give him a break about the penalties, apparently he was really upset about the penalties and is working hard, want to see him at RT more.
The whole line gelled alot better in this game. Colombo actually looked serviceable.


Long is off the PUP list, good news hopefully he plays against the Bucs

[JoeLegend]

Rewatching the Panthers game right now.
Murtha going up against C Johnson, so I'll give him a break about the penalties, apparently he was really upset about the penalties and is working hard, want to see him at RT more.
The whole line gelled alot better in this game. Colombo actually looked serviceable.


Long is off the PUP list, good news hopefully he plays against the Bucs

I'm watching the game as soon as I get home. I slept in yesterday and did not get to.

[claybornkilla]

I'm watching the game as soon as I get home. I slept in yesterday and did not get to.

I have to admit, I wasn't a fan of the Bush trade (do you know what round draft pick they gave up anyways) but he looked beast out there.
Hopefully he can keep it up Sparano says he's always the last one off the field, is a hard worker. jUSt worried about him getting injured.

[JoeLegend]

I have to admit, I wasn't a fan of the Bush trade (do you know what round draft pick they gave up anyways) but he looked beast out there.
Hopefully he can keep it up Sparano says he's always the last one off the field, is a hard worker. jUSt worried about him getting injured.

No i dont just heard a late round pick. I was excited until I heard he will be the feature back. I hear he looked good and I have heard he is the last on off the field so he could be growing up.

The move I was most excited about was signing Kevin Burnett and he looked good to. He will be way better than Crowder

[claybornkilla]

No i dont just heard a late round pick. I was excited until I heard he will be the feature back. I hear he looked good and I have heard he is the last on off the field so he could be growing up.

The move I was most excited about was signing Kevin Burnett and he looked good to. He will be way better than Crowder

yeah i love burnett, hes a playmaker, something that crowder was not and something the D desperately needed. he always seems to be around the ball.
what i like best about burnett is that he can actually drop back in coverage, which frees up dansby to do alot of different things. mike nolan has t o be excited. i really like this d, can't think of any glaring weaknesses
maybe a ball hawking safety, but i really like clemons,huge hitter, hopefully he can step it up a bit this yr, although realistically he's probably better suited at strong safety .

[Dolfan1980]

i think jerry was the worst pick because he was supposed to be a safe pick and this regime is supposed to know o-line.
i hate how sparano's expertise is supposed to be o-line yet it's probably the biggest weak link of the team , he got too ****y dismantling the 09 line, tinkering too much
anyways long rules, goes without saying, incognito sucks! he's average in run blocking but he always gets knocked back in pass pro, pouncey is a rookie, and is not as good as his brother he will have lots of growing pains, carey never played inside before is average at best nowadays, and colombo was one of the worst rts last yr and hasn't shown much so far, gets killed by speed rushers everytime, ok run blocker. they should put incognito at c and pouncey at lg so he can pull, but the FO wants to save face by playing pouncey at c oh well, they were in a bad spot at 15.
and murtha is just depth, too many penalties against the panthers

love the datko pick in walt's mock, but i doubt they will be picking first in the 2nd round.

Agree about moving Pouncey to left guard. What ever happened to the center from the Giants? That would have been a better pick up than Columbo. It could have been Long Pouncey O'hara Incognito Carey.

[wraith36444]

LOL why cuz you dont like Jeff Ireland. Do you like anyone that has anything to do with the Dolphins. Why are you even a fan. LOL

A lot of the things that Ross has done (the celebrity owners, the Harbaugh wooing, etc.) really show that he has no clue on how to run a football team.

[Dolfan1980]

YES!!!!!! Jake Long is off PUP and practicing.

This is great news, I say move Murtha to the right side use Columbo for depth.

[JoeLegend]

This is great news, I say move Murtha to the right side use Columbo for depth.

I watched Murtha VS the Panthers and ignoring the 3 penalites he had I like him. He is big and strong. Looked good pass blocking and real good run blocking.

[claybornkilla]

Now do y'all believe me that this O-line is GARBAGE.

[claybornkilla]

P.S. D.Thomas needs to run like how he catches the ball every time he gets the handoff, that 19 yard reception was sick.There are flashes that are like wow but then other times it looks like he's not even trying.

[JoeLegend]

Now do y'all believe me that this O-line is GARBAGE.

No. Jake Long did not play so we have not seen the finish product yet. A bit of bad news though that could trigger a signing soon. Ritchie Incognito was seen leaving the locker room with a compression sleeve on his right knee.

[JoeLegend]

P.S. D.Thomas needs to run like how he catches the ball every time he gets the handoff, that 19 yard reception was sick.There are flashes that are like wow but then other times it looks like he's not even trying.

I agree

[claybornkilla]

No. Jake Long did not play so we have not seen the finish product yet. A bit of bad news though that could trigger a signing soon. Ritchie Incognito was seen leaving the locker room with a compression sleeve on his right knee.

Probably O'Hara or Leonard Davis. I would like to see Brian Waters.

[JoeLegend]

Also I saw that Rashad Jones started tonight. i cant wait to watch the game later and see how he did.

[JoeLegend]

Probably O'Hara or Leonard Davis. I would like to see Brian Waters.

I was also thinking Davis and O'Hara. But we will see how severe it is. It may be nothing at all.

[claybornkilla]

Also I saw that Rashad Jones started tonight. i cant wait to watch the game later and see how he did.

Didn't see anything out of Jones, Smith got BURNT badly by Blount
I just want a reliable secondary which is what CC brings, don't want no Gibril Wilson games. Jones is more inconsistent right now, CC should start in my opinion.

[JoeLegend]

Didn't see anything out of Jones, Smith got BURNT badly by Blount
I just want a reliable secondary which is what CC brings, don't want no Gibril Wilson games. Jones is more inconsistent right now, CC should start in my opinion.

Jones is a better playmaker and I better in coverage. Please I'm not surprised Smith got burned LOL. I hope he gets his **** together cuz Davis has just raised the bar and now Miami's CBs have a target.

[miamidolphin4life]

Watched the game and Henne looked real good. I wasn't buying last weeks performance where his play was over exaggerated and he looked average, but last night he looked really good.

Our running game sucked ass though. We need Oline help though, because Vernon Carey looked horrible at Guard. The rest is awful as well

[JoeLegend]

Watched the game and Henne looked real good. I wasn't buying last weeks performance where his play was over exaggerated and he looked average, but last night he looked really good.

Our running game sucked ass though. We need Oline help though, because Vernon Carey looked horrible at Guard. The rest is awful as well

Like I said I'm gona wait to see what happens when Jake Long gets back.The O-Line looked good VS the Panthers and then I found out the Panthers D-Line just sucks. I also think the Bucs D-Line is good.

[claybornkilla]

Like I said I'm gona wait to see what happens when Jake Long gets back.The O-Line looked good VS the Panthers and then I found out the Panthers D-Line just sucks. I also think the Bucs D-Line is good.

Long is great don't get me wrong, but he's not a panacea; too many things going wrong for this line. Jerry really set it back.

[JoeLegend]

Long is great don't get me wrong, but he's not a panacea; too many things going wrong for this line. Jerry really set it back.

Jerry does not even start and I heard is in danger of getting cut. How does a 3rd round pick set a team back??

[claybornkilla]

Jerry does not even start and I heard is in danger of getting cut. How does a 3rd round pick set a team back??

That's my whole point. I don't care what you say, a 3rd rounder is supposed to produce. Jerry was a big reason why the line was trash last year.
They drafted Jerry with the hopes that he could hold down the RG spot. He couldn't which forced the FO to slide Carey over to G, where he is miscast, which in turn opened up a bigger hole at RT than there already was.
If Jerry panned out they would have atleast a solid RG and average RT, but instead now they have a poor RG and poor RT. With his poor play, he has been largely responsible for the degeneration of the whole right side of the line, by forcing the FO to improvise by moving Carey to guard. Do you think the FO anticipated this when they drafted him? Of course not. If he was halfway decent as they expected Carey would still be at RT,although he is vastly overrated he is still better than Colombo.

[JoeLegend]

That's my whole point. I don't care what you say, a 3rd rounder is supposed to produce. Jerry was a big reason why the line was trash last year.
They drafted Jerry with the hopes that he could hold down the RG spot. He couldn't which forced the FO to slide Carey over to G, where he is miscast, which in turn opened up a bigger hole at RT than there already was.
If Jerry panned out they would have atleast a solid RG and average RT, but instead now they have a poor RG and poor RT. With his poor play, he has been largely responsible for the degeneration of the whole right side of the line, by forcing the FO to improvise by moving Carey to guard. Do you think the FO anticipated this when they drafted him? Of course not. If he was halfway decent as they expected Carey would still be at RT,although he is vastly overrated he is still better than Colombo.

He was injured last year and did not play most of the year. I still have a hard time understanding why a 3rd round pick sets anyone back.

[claybornkilla]

He was injured last year and did not play most of the year. I still have a hard time understanding why a 3rd round pick sets anyone back.

Re-read this part: They drafted Jerry with the hopes that he could hold down the RG spot. He couldn't which forced the FO to slide Carey over to G, where he is miscast, which in turn opened up a bigger hole at RT than there already was.
If Jerry panned out they would have atleast a solid RG and average RT, but instead now they have a poor RG and poor RT.

[JoeLegend]

Re-read this part: They drafted Jerry with the hopes that he could hold down the RG spot. He couldn't which forced the FO to slide Carey over to G, where he is miscast, which in turn opened up a bigger hole at RT than there already was.
If Jerry panned out they would have atleast a solid RG and average RT, but instead now they have a poor RG and poor RT.

I know what your saying. Jerry is a good run blocker but bad pass blocker. But he was drafted in the 3rd round I dont see how that sets Miami back. Did patrick Turner set Miami back as well. He is a RG LOL dont put all the blame og Jerry. Carey dropped off last year at RT and Berger sucked at Center. so those 3 spots needed help. Thats what they did this year by Drafting Pouncey and moving carey to RG. Columbo sucks but by picking him up it makes the O-Line better than last year. Like I said I also like Murtha.

[JoeLegend]

With Preaseason over this is who I see making the team.

QB- Henne, Moore, Devlin
RB- Bush, Thomas, Johnson, Hilliard
FB- Polite
TE- Fasano, Clay, Mastrud
WR- Marshall, Bess, Hartline, Gates, Wallace
OT- Long, Murtha, Columbo, Garner
G- Incognito, Carey, Jerry, Fienga
C- Pouncey and Berger

DE- Starks, Langford, Odrick, Merling (I expect to see Merling traded. If he is traded for a draft pick then Ryan baker makes the cut.)
DT- Solia, Fields, McDaniel
OLB- Wake, Misi, Taylor, Trunsick, Francis
ILB- Dansby, Burnett, Edds
CB- Davis, Smith, Allen, Wilson, Carroll ( I wanna see Sapp but he did not play in the last game. Makes me wonder)
SS- Bell and Culver
FS- Jones and Clemons

K-Dan Carpenter
P-Brandon Fields
LS- Denney

Last 2 on the roster Ike Alama Francis and Roberto Wallace. 2 to just miss the cut. Marlon Moore (WR Depth) and Austin Spitler (LB Depth). I hope to see Quinten Spears, Frank Kearse, D.J Jones, Philip Livas, Garrett Chisolm, Mark Restelli, and Robert Rose make the practice squad.

[wraith36444]

With Preaseason over this is who I see making the team.

QB- Henne, Moore, Devlin
RB- Bush, Thomas, Hilliard
FB- Polite, Clay,
TE- Fasano, Mastrud
WR- Marshall, Bess, Hartline, Gates, Wallace, Moore
OT- Long, Murtha, Columbo, Fienga
G- Incognito, Carey, Garner
C- Pouncey Berger

DE- Starks, Langford, Odrick, Merling
DT- Soliai, Baker, McDaniel
OLB- Wake, Misi, Taylor, Trunsick, Francis
ILB- Dansby, Burnett, Edds
CB- Davis, Smith, Allen, Wilson, Sapp, Carroll
SS- Bell and Culver
FS- Jones and Clemons

K-Dan Carpenter
P-Brandon Fields
LS- Denney



My edition

[JoeLegend]

My edition

You dont see Fields or Larry Johnson making it. Fields is Nolans guy and larry has shown power tha Thomas has not so far.

[JoeLegend]

3 cuts that I know of so far. TE Dedrick Epps, Safety Gerald Alexander, and WR John Matthews. Its reported that Miami will make the rest tomorrow so it will be a busy day for Dolphin fans.

[JoeLegend]

Don't be surprised tomorrow if Lousaka Polite is cut tomorrow guys. I would hate to see it happen but they had Clay taking plays at FB with the 1st string offense VS the Bucs.

[pheltzbahr]

Don't be surprised tomorrow if Lousaka Polite is cut tomorrow guys. I would hate to see it happen but they had Clay taking plays at FB with the 1st string offense VS the Bucs.

Confirned, Lousaka Polite cut. What happened?

[JoeLegend]

Confirned, Lousaka Polite cut. What happened?

Age.

[pheltzbahr]

Age.

He's only 30, Tony Richardson played at a high level well into his 30s. Did his level of play fall off last year or was it just obvious in preseason that he was done?

[miamidolphin4life]

He's only 30, Tony Richardson played at a high level well into his 30s. Did his level of play fall off last year or was it just obvious in preseason that he was done?

He just didn't look that good anymore. Not that good in run blocking + non factor in passing game.

Clay is a pretty versitile guy and the FO thinks he can be somewhat of a playmaker.

I'd guess maybe Daboll sees a little Peyton Hillis in him. Not basing it of much, but my guess.

[JoeLegend]

He's only 30, Tony Richardson played at a high level well into his 30s. Did his level of play fall off last year or was it just obvious in preseason that he was done?

Clay is younger and has looked good in the off-season also Lex Hilliard can play some FB as well. The move just had to be done.

[JoeLegend]

Miami released AJ Edds and Joe Berger and signed C/G Ryan Cook and TE Dante Rosario. I dont get this AJ Edds looked good.

[wraith36444]

You now see why we need to clean house, Joe?

[JoeLegend]

You now see why we need to clean house, Joe?

Why cuz they cut 2 back up players one being a 4th round pick that they have seen more than us.

[wraith36444]

Why cuz they cut 2 back up players one being a 4th round pick that they have seen more than us.

Just part of a longer pattern of dumber decisions. Like, why is Jerry still on the team and Edds is not?

[miamidolphin4life]

AJ Edds gone. He'll sign with a divison rival and **** on us.

John Jerry is still on the roster and we haven't even made an attempt at signning Andre Gurode. Win.

[wraith36444]

AJ Edds gone. He'll sign with a divison rival and **** on us.

John Jerry is still on the roster and we haven't even made an attempt at signning Andre Gurode. Win.

The Suck for Luck strategy is on!

[miamidolphin4life]

The Suck for Luck strategy is on!

You act like we aren't going to take an OT so we can cut Vernon Carey after he sucks balls at OG.

[JoeLegend]

Just part of a longer pattern of dumber decisions. Like, why is Jerry still on the team and Edds is not?

We need O-Line Depth and Miami has had 10 LBs

[Scar]

Say it with me...

ROBERT GRIFFIN the 3RD!

Save us RG3!

[wraith36444]

I think Henne is out for the year.

[Scar]

Good, our chances of getting a GOOD QB just went up a shmiddgin.