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beastmode

09-23-2008, 03:12 PM

Here it is, version 2 of my mock. I changed 4 picks as well as one teams drafting position.

1. St. Louis Rams- Micheal Oher, OT, Ole Miss
Orlando Pace is 34 and Alex Barron sucks. The Rams are ready for an upgrade at the tackle position. Oher is a beast, and this pick is a toal no-brainer.

2. Cinncinnati Bengals- Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
The Bengals pass protection right now is just piss poor awful. It's fairly clear that Levi Jones is not up to the job. Monroe is flying up everybody's draft boards at the moment, and rightfully so. Keep in mind that this is the same UVA that has produced 1st round picks D'Brickashaw Furgeson and Brandon Albert

3. Detroit Lions- George Selvie, DE, USF
The Lions are in desperate need of a defensive lineman after trading away Shaun Rodgers. They also need an elite pass rusher to get to the quarterback. Selvie is a tad undersized, but has great speed and burst, which will help him to get around slower offensive tackles. a cornerback is also a possibility here come April.

4. Miami Dolphins- Micheal Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Whoever ends up being QB for the Dolphins, they will need a target to throw to. Micheal Crabtree has a rare combination of size, speed, and athleticism. If he can refine his route running, he could be the best WR prospect to come along since Randy Moss, but without the off field baggage.

5. San Francisco 49er's- Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
A bit of a surprise pick here. But look, if a guy that throws only 37 passes in college (Matt Cassel) can get drafted, I don't see why a guy that torches one of the top defences in the country wouldn't get drafted. He has looked great playing so far, and should continue his great play all through the season.

6. Kansas City Cheifs- Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
The Cheifs, much like the 49er's, are desperate for a signal caller. Brodie Croyle has never done anything as a starting QB, and is definately not a long-term answer. While some people hate Tim Tebow for playing in Urban Meyer's spread offense (the same one that Alex Smith played in), He has prototypical size, a great arm, and excellent mobility. Tebow could be the face of the franchise for years to come.

7. Atlanta Falcons- Taylor Mays, FS/SS, USC
This guy is just an absolute beast. At 6-4, 220 he can run a 4.42 40. Add that to the fact that he can play either safety position. The Falcons are barren at safety, and while this pick is a bit of a reach, it also has great value.

8. Baltimore Ravens- Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
A young, homegrown product to go with new signal caller Joe Flacco. All of the other Ravens wideouts are pretty old, so DHB should provide some much needed youth at the position. He also has the ability to run a high 4.2 forty at the combine. This should be an excellent pick for the Ravens, but don't be surprised if the Raiders try to nab him (joke).

9. Oakland Raiders- Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
The Raiders finally do the right thing and get someone to protect JaMarcus Russell's blindside. While the Riaders would love to get Oher, Smith is very good value at this pick. Micheal Crabtree is a strong possibility here if he is still availible, and runs a good 40 time. And don't be surprised if Charlie Weis is hired as the new head coach once Lane Kiffin is fired, Al Davis just loves to get players/coaches coming off of knee injuries.

10. Washington Redskins- Malcolm Jenkins, CB, OSU
This pick is a real steal for the Redskins. There pass defense was just awful against the Giants. Mike Jenkins should be able to step in right away and play across from Carlos Rodgers.

11. Philadelphia Eagles (from Carolina Panthers)- Ciron Black, OT, LSU
Black started as a true freshman at left tackle for a program that won the national championship. What else could you possibly want? Andy Reid loves lineman, and this is a great value pick because both Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas are over the age of 30.

12. Seattle Seahwaks- Chris Wells, RB, Ohio St.
Wells falls this far because of the flood of talent into the NFL at the RB position. Wells is an absolute steal here. In the championship game verse LSU's defense he had 20 carries for 146 yards. His only weakness is his recieving ability, but current Seahawks back Julius Jones can come in on 3rd down.

13. Chicago Bears- Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
Matthew Stafford is a reach here, but the Bears are desperate for a quarterback. I am now officially a Matt Stafford hater. I can't understand why people like him so much. He struggles to complete over half of his passes. And please don't give me "he has no targets" crap. Matt Ryan played on a much less talented Boston College team and put up better numbers. It is a proven fact that a completion percentage over 60% leads to success in the NFL, and Stafford isn't anywhere close to 60%. In short, Stafford=Bust

14. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
I find it interesting that the Bucs failed to adress the WR position in the last draft. They solve that problem with Harvin. Harvin is a burner with good size and should pair well with Dexter Jackson.

15. Houston Texans- Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
Curry is an outside linebacker with excellent size and speed for the position. He puts up excellent numbers at Wake Forest, and should be a good compliment to DeMeco Ryans on a weak Texans defense.

16. Minnesota Vikings- Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
This pick is a reach, but it is really the only pick that makes sense. The Vikings are definately not draftin a QB here. After that there only major need is TE. Enter Pettigrew, the clear #1 TE in this class.He can do it all, and has great size to boot. He should provide a boost to an already strong running game and be able to haul in a few passes from whoever is playing QB.

17. Jacksonville Jaguars- Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
The Jags could use a second elite corner, and they get that here in Davis. This guy is just so extremely physically talented. He is a real steal here, and don't be surprised if he goes higher than this in April.

18. New York Jets- Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
Thmoas Jones is still effective at running back, but is definately over the hill. And Leon Washington doesn't have the size to be an every down back in the NFL. Enter Moreno, who is an absolute at Georgia. Moreno is the kind of back who just refuses to go down, and should bring a physical presense to the Jets backfield.

19. Cleveland Browns- Mike Mickens, CB, Cinncinnati
The Browns are just desperate for a CB at this juncture, and Mickens should be a great fit at this pick. Mickens put on about 15 pounds of muscle in the offseason, eliminating any doubts that he was too small for the NFL. A great pick here for the Browns.

20. New England Patriots- D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
Bill Belichek usually knows what he's doing, but I really have to question the crap he is amasing at CB. Fernando Bryant? You've got to be kidding. Belichek hates drafting corners in the first round, but who else would he draft? Moore is a talented corner who should fit well into the system.

21. San Diego Chargers- James Laurinaitis, MLB, OSU
Laurinaitis is the perfect fit here for the Chargers. James would fit perfectly in a 3-4 where he would take on Guards and stop the run, things he does quite effectively. A good value pick here for the Bolts.

22. Buffalo Bills- Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
The Bills managed only 26 sacks last season. That number is not helped by the age of Aaron Schobel and the ineptness of Ryan Denney and Chris Kelsay. Enter Greg Hardy, who will be in able to shine in the SEC this year .

23. Tennessee Titans- Fili Moala, DT, USC
The Titans defense struggled mightily when Albert Haynesworth was out. Moala is poised for a breakout season in USC's talented defense. He should provide a good security policy for Haynesworth should he go down.

24. New Orleans Saints- Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
The Saints add an extremely talented player to their group of linebacker with Cushing. Not only is he very talented, but he also can start from day one at strong or weakside linebacker. Cushing could go much higher than this come April, so this pick could be a steal for the Saints.

25. Arizona Cardinals- Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma
The Cardinals have some needs, but none of them are glaring. That allows them to take the best player availible. That player is Duke Robinson, one of the best guard propects to come around in a long time. Robinson could provide some much needed stability and leadership to the Card's line.

26. Philadelphia Eagles- Myron Rolle, FS/SS, Florida St.
Brian Dawkins is a fan favorite, but has little left in the tank at his age. Enter Myron Rolle. Rolle, the brother of Arizona FS Atrel Rolle is a talented safety who can play both positions. He will likely start out at SS, and then move over to FS when Dawkins retires

27. Green Bay Packers- Darius Butler, CB, UConn
The Packers add some much needed youth and depth behind the aging members of their secondary. Butler should be able to sit for a little while before playing and could easily start out as the nickle back. Butler is also a solid kick returner, making this a great pick for GM Ted Thompson.

28. Denver Broncos- Ray Malauga, MLB, USC
The Broncos are desperate for a MLB to play next to the talented D.J. Williams. Malauga is a real steal here. He is a great athlete with excellent instincts and a tough competitor. This may be the pick of the draft.

29. New York Giants- William Moore, SS/FS, Missouri
The Giants did get Kenny Phillips in this years draft, but they need someone else to play next to him. Enter Moore, who can play either safety position and is an excellent athlete. He plays with the same mean streak and recklessness that made Bob Sanders famous. He and Phillips should combine to make one fo the top young safety combos in the league.

30. Indianapolis Colts- Vince Ohgobaase, DT, Duke
This is a great pick for the Colts here. DT is a rather large need now in the wake of the Ed Johnson release. Ohgobaase is flying up everyone's draft boards at the moment. He is a talented force against the run and just the player the Colts need.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers- Alex Mack, C, California
The Steelers are very lucky to be able to grab Mack here. He is the best cebter prospect to come around in a very long time. The Steelers were absolutely debacled by the Eagles pass rush, and Mack could step in right away as the starting center. He could develope as the leader that that O-Line so desperately needs.

32. Dallas Cowboys- Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
This is a great pick here for the Cowbows. Their WR corps is very thin and Maclin is an extremely talented athlete. He could contribute imediately in the return game and add a new dimension to the Cowboys offense.

bills_red

09-23-2008, 04:29 PM

Enter what I said last time

MMONTERO

09-24-2008, 04:28 PM

MMONTERO

09-24-2008, 04:57 PM

Blazedestin

09-24-2008, 04:58 PM

the two best indicators of a quarterback's success in the NFL is the number of starts they've accumulated and their completion percentage. Sanchez passes the latter so far, but he'll enter the NFL this year with what, 15 starts?

Matt McGuire

09-24-2008, 05:05 PM

Matt puts Mark Sanchez in his first round and everyone on this site follows suit. You all should be ashamed of yourself. Not saying he won't be a first round pick but it's way too early to think he will be.

So who would be a first round pick if not Sanchez?

In his first two starts of his career he has looked ten times better than Matt Stafford ever has.

Matt McGuire

09-24-2008, 05:08 PM

- George Selvie has only 2 sacks this year so far which tells me that he has been having trouble beating double teams against offensive linemen who aren't particularly talented. That being the case, how would he fit as a defensive end in a Tampa 2 defense where the idea is to get maximum pressure with your front four?

- DHB has not been as consistent as Percy Harvin and especially Jeremy Maclin. What makes you think he merits a top 10 selection?

- Why would Wells go ahead of Knowshon Moreno? I keep asking questions and get no answers, not even unsatisfactory ones.

- What makes you think Matt Stafford has a chance of being drafted ahead of Sam Bradford at this point?

1. It's pretty obvious you haven't watched Selvie play this season. If you have then you wouldn't say that. He has been getting consistent pressure (it's not all about sacks, but it is a little) and played outstanding against the run. He has elite athleticism and a top 10 pick.

2. DHB has been very consistent this year and I've been very impressed with him..maybe if you watched him play

3. Wells would go ahead of Moreno possibly because he is a more powerful back and therefore if a team needs that kind of fit (like I previously projected last year with the Panthers taking Jonathan Stewart in my mock over Mendenhall, then got slammed).

4. Do you honestly think Bradford is going to pull a Tommy Maddox and declare for the draft as a sophomore? I doubt it.

klunker18

09-24-2008, 05:27 PM

- Why would Wells go ahead of Knowshon Moreno? I keep asking questions and get no answers, not even unsatisfactory ones.

Because Wells is bigger, stronger, and just as fast. The only reason people like Moreno better is because of his playing style which tends to give him highlight runs where he is running people over. Wells is more effective without running that way, but can run that way when he wants to, so NFL teams will see Moreno as a much bigger injury risk even though Wells got injured this year.

MMONTERO

09-24-2008, 05:37 PM

1. It's pretty obvious you haven't watched Selvie play this season. If you have then you wouldn't say that. He has been getting consistent pressure (it's not all about sacks, but it is a little) and played outstanding against the run. He has elite athleticism and a top 10 pick.

2. DHB has been very consistent this year and I've been very impressed with him..maybe if you watched him play

3. Wells would go ahead of Moreno possibly because he is a more powerful back and therefore if a team needs that kind of fit (like I previously projected last year with the Panthers taking Jonathan Stewart in my mock over Mendenhall, then got slammed).

4. Do you honestly think Bradford is going to pull a Tommy Maddox and declare for the draft as a sophomore? I doubt it.

I saw Selvie consistently struggle to get to Reesing in the only game I saw him in this year. He did get a sack but he was a virtual nonfactor through most of that game.

DHB has been better but he's also been better against almost no competition (outside of Cal). Maclin has looked better than DHB against tougher competition.

EDIT: It's also worth pointing out that DHB only caught two passes against Cal. Given it was for 59 yards and a score. But I'd like to see him step up against ranked opponents and grab more than two balls (that sounded dirty haha)

You would have never put Stewart above McFadden though because McFadden was the consensus top running back. That's where I see Moreno by the time this is all over but you do make a fair point.

No. I don't think he will leave school but mock drafts generally assume that anyone who is eligible will come out.

MMONTERO

09-24-2008, 05:38 PM

Because Wells is bigger, stronger, and just as fast. The only reason people like Moreno better is because of his playing style which tends to give him highlight runs where he is running people over. Wells is more effective without running that way, but can run that way when he wants to, so NFL teams will see Moreno as a much bigger injury risk even though Wells got injured this year.

Wells has less football speed than Moreno has and his moves aren't nearly as good. Also, as I said before this season started Wells is obviously the bigger injury risk.

Matt McGuire

09-24-2008, 05:43 PM

I saw Selvie consistently struggle to get to Reesing in the only game I saw him in this year. He did get a sack but he was a virtual nonfactor through most of that game.

DHB has been better but he's also been better against almost no competition (outside of Cal). Maclin has looked better than DHB against tougher competition.

You would have never put Stewart above McFadden though because McFadden was the consensus top running back. That's where I see Moreno by the time this is all over but you do make a fair point.

No. I don't think he will leave school but mock drafts generally assume that anyone who is eligible will come out.

1. Selvie generated 1 sack but he got consistent pressure all game I have no idea if you even saw the game because he was awesome.

2. DHB has shown much better route running than Maclin and has a much worse QB...I've been really impressed with DHB this year.

3. "McFadden>Stewart" .... moot point. Totally different draft. Everyone knew the Raiders were taking McFadden. Also, McFadden was considered an elite prospect by most and Stewart was not.

Wells and Moreno are both elite talents. You can't go wrong with either one though I do give Moreno a slight edge.

4. I don't think mocks should assume that RS Soph QB comes out for the draft until it actually happens.

MMONTERO

09-24-2008, 05:48 PM

1. Selvie generated 1 sack but he got consistent pressure all game I have no idea if you even saw the game because he was awesome.

2. DHB has shown much better route running than Maclin and has a much worse QB...I've been really impressed with DHB this year.

3. "McFadden>Stewart" .... moot point. Totally different draft. Everyone knew the Raiders were taking McFadden. Also, McFadden was considered an elite prospect by most and Stewart was not.

Wells and Moreno are both elite talents. You can't go wrong with either one though I do give Moreno a slight edge.

4. I don't think mocks should assume that RS Soph QB comes out for the draft until it actually happens.

That makes me wonder if you saw Selvie at all last year. He didn't even look like the same player that dominated offensive lines all year last year.

That's mostly due to the fact that Maclin plays in an offense that doesn't really value precise route running (remind you of anyone else? hint: He's from Texas Tech). The fact is Maclin has still played better and shouldn't have a problem picking up on route running with all the talent he has.

I think part of being an elite talent is staying on the field to display said talent. Wells hasn't proven he can do that.

Difference of opinion on how to do a mock. I won't argue that point. I think Bradford is worth a first round pick as of now if he does come out though.

Matt McGuire

09-24-2008, 06:45 PM

That makes me wonder if you saw Selvie at all last year. He didn't even look like the same player that dominated offensive lines all year last year.

That's mostly due to the fact that Maclin plays in an offense that doesn't really value precise route running (remind you of anyone else? hint: He's from Texas Tech). The fact is Maclin has still played better and shouldn't have a problem picking up on route running with all the talent he has.

I think part of being an elite talent is staying on the field to display said talent. Wells hasn't proven he can do that.

Difference of opinion on how to do a mock. I won't argue that point. I think Bradford is worth a first round pick as of now if he does come out though.

I still see the same elite pass rusher with great athleticism in Selvie that I saw last year. He doesn't have as many sacks or TFLs, but I see a MUCH improved player against the run. He is got double teamed for 4 quarters against Kansas but still managed a sack. I was impressed. He's still a great pass rusher. Teams are running at him and he is holding up very well. Give him time, it's a long season, he will generate 12+ sacks when it is all said and done.

2. In any offense, route running is very important, even in the run n shoot, so that's a lame excuse to maek that just because he plays in the spread that route running isn't important.

3. Wells hasn't proven he can stay on the field? He was out 3 weeks with a FREAK foot injury. He played in every game in 2007...you have no idea what you are talking about. Every RB at some point or another will get injured...one injury doesn't mean you aren't durable.

4. I think Sam Bradford is worth a top 10 pick right now if he comes out.

beastmode

09-24-2008, 08:04 PM

Nice, I love how Matt just totally defended my mock.

beastmode

09-24-2008, 08:18 PM

Now for my actual problems with the mock outside of Sanchez.
- I don't see the Bengals giving up on Jones yet. He just signed a huge extension in 2006 and given how bad the Bengals are in general I think they have bigger fish to fry. Yes, I know left tackle may be the most important position in football but the Bengals routinely give highly paid players too many chances (see Chris Henry & Justin Smith).

The Bengals pass protection has been awful this season. I don't see who else they would pick.

- George Selvie has only 2 sacks this year so far which tells me that he has been having trouble beating double teams against offensive linemen who aren't particularly talented. That being the case, how would he fit as a defensive end in a Tampa 2 defense where the idea is to get maximum pressure with your front four?

Matt already covered this one.

- Dan Henning tends to favor conservative offenses that emphasize very precise route running (see Carolina 2006 and Washington 1981-1982 and 1987-1988). How does Crabtree fit into that kind of offense. George Selvie, who should not be picked by Lions, would be a much better pick as an outside rush linebacker.

Why shouldn't Slevie be picked by the Lions? They run a Tampa-2 and need a pass-rusher. Are you suggestuing the Lions grab Crabtree?

- Already discussed Sanchez.

This is the internet, information travels fast. Another newsflash, MOCKERS COPY EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME. Plus, I watched the USC-OSU game and saw him perform like a top-10 prospect.

- Tim Tebow #6 overall doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I think NFL teams know that the reason he looks like a good passer is the constant threat of various draw plays provided by his offense, which opens up passing lanes.

Then explain to me how Alex Smith went #1 overall? Tebow is a much better athlete thatn Smith and therfore will be drafted high.

- DHB has not been as consistent as Percy Harvin and especially Jeremy Maclin. What makes you think he merits a top 10 selection?

He has played great considering the crap Maryland has everywhere else on their team.

- Being that Shawn Springs is a stronger defensive back than Carlos "pass interference" Rogers why do we need to find someone to start across from Rogers? We need to find someone to start for Rogers. I like the pick though.

Springs=Old. I was referring to the future. And I though it was Carlos "No Hands" Rodgers.

- Why would Wells go ahead of Knowshon Moreno? I keep asking questions and get no answers, not even unsatisfactory ones.

Because Wells is the better back.

- What makes you think Matt Stafford has a chance of being drafted ahead of Sam Bradford at this point?

Sam Bradford is smarter than almost evryone in Oklahoma, so obviously he wouldn't come out for the draft.

- What makes Aaron Curry a stronger outside backer than Brian Cushing?

Where did I say this? I'm just predicting what I think will happen.

- The Vikings still need to improve their secondary. And there is a ton of secondary talent available at that point in your mock. There's no reason they should reach for a tight end, particularly one who has a hobby of assaulting police officers, when they can still nab a good one in the second or third round.

Pettigrew is an elite talent, and TE is a bigger need than CB or S.

- If Laurinaitis has another outing like he did against USC (missing tackles and generally being a nonfactor I don't see him going in the first round. But everyone here knows I wasn't high on Laurinaitis to begin with.

Hype

- The Cardinals have no glaring needs? They definitely need to improve a bad secondary.

My bad on that one. I still think they take Robinson considering the value at that pick.

- There is no way in hell Rey Maualuga falls to #28 overall.

From '07 draft: "There is no way in hell that Brady Quinn falls to #22 Overall."

PuppyPuncher

09-24-2008, 08:40 PM

Hadn't everyone fallen in love with Aaron Curry. Just a little disappointed with some of his wrap-up tackling in the Florida State game.

Matt McGuire

09-24-2008, 08:57 PM

Then explain to me how Alex Smith went #1 overall? Tebow is a much better athlete thatn Smith and therfore will be drafted high.

So you think everyone forgot about one of the biggest #1 overall draft busts in Draft history just because Tebow is a "much better athlete"?

Last time I checked, Vince Young and all his athleticism is a **** quarterback.

PuppyPuncher

09-24-2008, 08:59 PM

That's like saying, "Mike Nolan had a crystal ball that said that Alex Smith was going to be a huge bust, which is exactly why Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick."

MMONTERO

09-25-2008, 02:25 AM

The Bengals pass protection has been awful this season. I don't see who else they would pick.

Matt already covered this one.

Why shouldn't Slevie be picked by the Lions? They run a Tampa-2 and need a pass-rusher. Are you suggestuing the Lions grab Crabtree?

This is the internet, information travels fast. Another newsflash, MOCKERS COPY EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME. Plus, I watched the USC-OSU game and saw him perform like a top-10 prospect.

Then explain to me how Alex Smith went #1 overall? Tebow is a much better athlete thatn Smith and therfore will be drafted high.

He has played great considering the crap Maryland has everywhere else on their team.

Springs=Old. I was referring to the future. And I though it was Carlos "No Hands" Rodgers.

Because Wells is the better back.

Sam Bradford is smarter than almost evryone in Oklahoma, so obviously he wouldn't come out for the draft.

Where did I say this? I'm just predicting what I think will happen.

Pettigrew is an elite talent, and TE is a bigger need than CB or S.

Hype

My bad on that one. I still think they take Robinson considering the value at that pick.

From '07 draft: "There is no way in hell that Brady Quinn falls to #22 Overall."

Yeah that Bengals D is perfect as is (rolls eyes)

You should defend your pick instead of deferring to Matt to defend your bad pick for you.

Selvie shouldn't be picked by the Lions exactly for that reason. He doesn't fit the Tampa 2 scheme well.

Mockers copy each other when they don't know what the **** they are talking about. Matt is original most of the time. People who copy him aren't.

Alex Smith taught the NFL a lesson. Urban Meyer QBs thrive because they fit his system, a system no NFL team runs anything close to.

DHB only had two catches against the only ranked opponent he played this year. What's so ****ing impressive about that?

I won't argue Rogers as the Skins secondary undoubtedly needs help.

Wells is not the better back. Moreno has the Barry Sanders type evasiveness that is essential in a great back in the NFL. Wells is a power back who will probably have a successful NFL career but Moreno has the potential to be one of the greats.

I won't dispute Bradford not entering the draft. I agree he won't. But when I do mocks I assume anyone who is eligible will come out.

If Cushing is better than Curry then he will go above Curry considering there is more hype around Cushing.

Regarding Pettigrew, the NFL seems to worry about character more than it ever has. And the Vikings had an incident with a boat that might make them shy away from a TIGHT END with character issues that early in the draft. Look it up.

Laurinaitis's hype won't translate to the film GMs see. As of now, he should be a borderline first round pick.

Robinson is a guard and a corner is always a better value. Mark Parson shut down Brian Robiskie and that legitimizes him as a potential first round pick. He is better value there for a Cardinals team that needs secondary help.

beastmode

09-25-2008, 06:23 AM

Yeah that Bengals D is perfect as is (rolls eyes)

Oh yeah, my bad. Ray Maluaga is great value at #2 overall.

You should defend your pick instead of deferring to Matt to defend your bad pick for you.

Why would I want to beat a dead horse?

Selvie shouldn't be picked by the Lions exactly for that reason. He doesn't fit the Tampa 2 scheme well.

A DE with elite athleticism not fitting in a Tampa-2? Really?

Mockers copy each other when they don't know what the **** they are talking about. Matt is original most of the time. People who copy him aren't.

I'll agree that Matt does have some very nice picks in his mocks. However, just because I don't write for a popular website doesn't mean I know nothing about the NFL draft and just go around copying people.

Alex Smith taught the NFL a lesson. Urban Meyer QBs thrive because they fit his system, a system no NFL team runs anything close to.

Some team will be enthralled with his size, arm strength, and mobility.

DHB only had two catches against the only ranked opponent he played this year. What's so ****ing impressive about that?

He runs a blazing 40, has better route running than most think, and has Chris Turner playing QB.

I won't argue Rogers as the Skins secondary undoubtedly needs help.

Wells is not the better back. Moreno has the Barry Sanders type evasiveness that is essential in a great back in the NFL. Wells is a power back who will probably have a successful NFL career but Moreno has the potential to be one of the greats.

Moreno's running style makes him more injury prone than Wells. And Wells also has good explosiveness, he does break off long runs.

I won't dispute Bradford not entering the draft. I agree he won't. But when I do mocks I assume anyone who is eligible will come out.

Not my style.

If Cushing is better than Curry then he will go above Curry considering there is more hype around Cushing.

I think Cullen Harper is the best QB in this draft but I don't put him going above Matt Stafford. This draft isn't based on my positional rankings, just what I think will happen.

Regarding Pettigrew, the NFL seems to worry about character more than it ever has. And the Vikings had an incident with a boat that might make them shy away from a TIGHT END with character issues that early in the draft. Look it up.

I agree that character has become a big issue. Pettigrew has elite talent however, and is still a good pick here.

Laurinaitis's hype won't translate to the film GMs see. As of now, he should be a borderline first round pick.

He is a good fit in a 3-4.

Robinson is a guard and a corner is always a better value. Mark Parson shut down Brian Robiskie and that legitimizes him as a potential first round pick. He is better value there for a Cardinals team that needs secondary help.

Robinson is probably still better value. I understand that corner is a big need for them but they could definately grab a quality corner in the 2nd round, but not an elite guard.

phenomenal_waffles

09-25-2008, 11:42 PM

Then explain to me how Alex Smith went #1 overall? Tebow is a much better athlete thatn Smith and therfore will be drafted high.

Wow. I freaking hate when people say that. That is the most uttered defense of Tebow.

Breaking News: ALEX SMITH WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAFT BUSTS EVER.

MMONTERO

09-26-2008, 03:13 AM

Oh yeah, my bad. Ray Maluaga is great value at #2 overall.

Why would I want to beat a dead horse?

A DE with elite athleticism not fitting in a Tampa-2? Really?

I'll agree that Matt does have some very nice picks in his mocks. However, just because I don't write for a popular website doesn't mean I know nothing about the NFL draft and just go around copying people.

Some team will be enthralled with his size, arm strength, and mobility.

He runs a blazing 40, has better route running than most think, and has Chris Turner playing QB.

Moreno's running style makes him more injury prone than Wells. And Wells also has good explosiveness, he does break off long runs.

Not my style.

I think Cullen Harper is the best QB in this draft but I don't put him going above Matt Stafford. This draft isn't based on my positional rankings, just what I think will happen.

I agree that character has become a big issue. Pettigrew has elite talent however, and is still a good pick here.

He is a good fit in a 3-4.

Robinson is probably still better value. I understand that corner is a big need for them but they could definately grab a quality corner in the 2nd round, but not an elite guard.

If you think the Bengals only need on defense is an inside backer, I suggest you check into rehab to stop crack immediately.

Selvie is a top 15 value at defensive end and probably a top 25 as a Tampa 2 defensive end. Remember he only had three sacks the second half of last season when teams game-planned against him and double-covered him. He is much more effective in blitz packages than as an all-around defensive end.

I will leave Mark Sanchez alone out of mercy. Oregon State... hahahahahahaha

Teams might also be concerned by his utter stupidity when he scores an unprecedented 1 on the Wonderlic.

I'm leaving DHB alone except to say there is no way in hell he will be a top 10 pick and it's so obvious to me that I won't even bother to argue it.

Funny, I've always said Wells had the more injury-prone running style. So far, me 1 you 0.

Cullen Harper? I spent all offseason explaining why he shouldn't be a first round pick. Why do I have to still explain this while he is royally sucking?

So the Vikings should reach for a tight end with character issues instead of taking any of the more talented and valuable players who play the secondary positions they need to fill? That makes no sense.

How does tackling badly make you a good fit anywhere?

beastmode

09-26-2008, 05:40 AM

I will leave Mark Sanchez alone out of mercy. Oregon State... hahahahahahaha

I'm a Beavers fan BTW...

Funny, I've always said Wells had the more injury-prone running style. So far, me 1 you 0.

WTF? So, basically, whatever you think is automatically right.

Cullen Harper? I spent all offseason explaining why he shouldn't be a first round pick. Why do I have to still explain this while he is royally sucking?

Stop shoving **** up my mouth. Do I have Cullen Harper as a first round pick? NO! Matt had Andre Woodson as his top QB last year, but he didn't put him #1 overall in his mock.

MMONTERO

09-26-2008, 02:32 PM

I'm a Beavers fan BTW...

WTF? So, basically, whatever you think is automatically right.

Stop shoving **** up my mouth. Do I have Cullen Harper as a first round pick? NO! Matt had Andre Woodson as his top QB last year, but he didn't put him #1 overall in his mock.

Congrats. What does you being a Beavers fan have to do with the fact that Sanchez's offense failed to score once against a much less talented defense in the first half of last night's game?

No, the evidence at this point points to what I have been saying all offseason. Don't put words in my mouth and try to take things out of context. That's the sign of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about (see Bill O'Reilly)

Matt did have Andre Woodson in the first round of his mock for a while but took him out when reality showed there was no way he would be a first-rounder. Right now, if Cullen Harper is your #1 QB he should be the first to go in your mock.

Joey_Potter

09-26-2008, 06:18 PM

Sanchez isn't even coming out this year. Even if he does he won't be the First Quarterback taken.

Then we have Tim Tebow? Why does everyone think that quarterbacks who have trouble taking snaps will go in the top half of the first 2 rounds?

I coached a couple guys who couldn't take snaps under center and I lost 2 inches on my hair line. Why coaches, fans, and scouts love them so much I will never know. Maybe they are naive or think just anyone can put their hands against a center's balls and can jerk a ball out of there without dropping it but that isnt so.

People...get some sense. THIS MEANS YOU WALTER! STOP SMOKING YOUR SPECIAL TEBOW POT BLEND!

regoob2

09-26-2008, 08:01 PM

DHB only had two catches against the only ranked opponent he played this year. What's so ****ing impressive about that?

Calvin Johnson was shut down several times in college because the team not him.

MMONTERO

09-27-2008, 09:09 PM

Calvin Johnson hasn't proven that he is an elite NFL receiver yet. Even if he is, he was a FAR better prospect than DHB so the point is irrelevant.

BMC89

09-29-2008, 10:27 AM

All I'm gonna mention is that for one I like the DHB pick. I watch a lot of ACC football and he can burn anyone any day of the week(Catching the ball or running on trick plays, just ask Clemson). When you just brought in your QB of the future in Flacco, why not give him a real good down field target? Derrick Mason can't play forever; Mark Clayton, while a good possession receiver isn't exactly a down field threat. DHB is bigger and faster than both of them, and would open up the offense a ton.

Blazedestin

09-29-2008, 12:59 PM

Calvin Johnson was possibly the greatest WR prospect EVER. His great production aside, who the hell is 6'5", 230, and runs a 4.37 40? Oh, I forgot to mention that he did that in someone else's shoes.

PuppyPuncher

09-29-2008, 01:06 PM

Calvin Johnson was possibly the greatest WR prospect EVER. His great production aside, who the hell is 6'5", 230, and runs a 4.37 40? Oh, I forgot to mention that he did that in someone else's shoes.

That is a combine fairy tale. Those were his shoes.