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MMONTERO
09-28-2008, 03:00 AM
The mock order is based on current records and my power rankings with realistic playoff possibilities. So don't give the order crap as some teams (San Diego, Indianapolis, Jacksonville) probably won't be where they are when all is said and done.

1. Cincinnati Bengals - RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
The Bengals need lots of help on both sides of the ball but their biggest need is at running back where Chris Perry and Kenny Watson have not shown any ability to carry the load. Moreno would automatically force defenses to respect the run open passing lanes for Carson Palmer to throw in.

2. Kansas City Chiefs - QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
I seriously doubt Sam Bradford will leave but he is eligible for the draft and I assume for the purposes of this mock that if a player is eligible he will enter the draft. Bradford is easily the best quarterback in college football right now. I have previously complained about his small frame but his play speaks for itself. Already this year, he is 64 of 81 for 882 yards, 12 touchdowns and only 2 interceptions. That is a mind-boggling completion percentage of 79% over the first four games. I don't care how bad your competition is (and TCU is not bad), those are solid numbers. Bradford will serve as the QB Kansas City needs so badly.

3. Cleveland Browns - CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
If there was one bright moment for OSU during their 35-3 beating at the hands of USC, it was Malcolm Jenkins's play on defense. This kid is a stud and is easily the best corner in this draft. #3 may be a tad high for a corner but for Cleveland, the value is there.

4. St. Louis Rams - T Michael Oher, Ole Miss
The Rams luck out as the best player in the draft falls to them at the fourth overall pick. Oher could start from day one at left tackle relegating the oft-injured Orlando Pace to the right side. One thing is for sure though. The Rams would be fools to trust the left tackle position to Alex Barron so they will be looking left tackle in 2009.

5. Detroit Lions - RB Chris Wells, Ohio State
The Lions have big needs on the defensive line but there is no one on the board worth picking for a Tampa 2 scheme. So they will "settle" for Chris Wells, a powerful back who has consistently dominated his competition when on the field. Wells and Kevin Smith will make a classic one-two punch in Detroit for a long time coming.

6. Houston Texans - FS Taylor Mays, USC
The Texans biggest need is in the secondary and Taylor Mays's triangle numbers and physical attributes are absolutely seductive for a team that needs improved play from their safeties. Mays needs to perform more consistently to justify being picked this high but he is easily the most gifted athlete in this draft class.

7. Miami Dolphins - DE/OLB George Selvie, South Florida
Selvie should be the #1 player on Miami's big board going into the 2009 Draft and they are extremely lucky that he falls to them at #7 overall. Selvie will make an absolutely fantastic rush linebacker in the 3-4 scheme.

8. Oakland Raiders - WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
The Raiders should go left tackle here. But Al Davis is clearly senile and will force another bad pick on his team based solely on highlight reels. Hey, I guess it's an improvement over picking based on 40 times. Crabtree is a gifted athlete but I question how much football IQ it takes to go deep every single play.

9. Chicago Bears - FS Nic Harris, Oklahoma
The Bears have gotten away with bad safety play on the defense for too long but it has finally caught up to them as they currently have the 28th ranked pass defense in the NFL. Nic Harris is a complete beast of a safety who can only be ignored for so long. He should patch up one of the few holes on a very tough Bears' D.

10. New York Jets - WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
Maclin has really impressed me this year, getting off to a great start in Missouri. The Jets need more production on deep routes as Jerricho Cotchery and Laveranues Coles are basically possession receivers. Maclin will provide the 2009 Jets' QB a talented deep threat who should be able to improve his route running well enough to succeed in the NFL.

11. New Orleans Saints - OLB Brian Cushing, USC
The Saints have various defensive needs but Cushing is the best value here. His athleticism is unmatched in this draft class at the 4-3 outside backer position. Cushing should provide the Saints with a much needed boost to their linebacker position.

12. Minnesota Vikings - QB Curtis Painter, Purdue
The Vikings biggest need is at quarterback so I believe they will reach for the one that fits their system the best. It's hard to imagine that Painter will still be available in round 2 given the weakness of this class at the quarterback position. This may seem like a stretch but taking Joe Flacco at #18 overall was more of a stretch. Painter fits the West Coast offense like a glove.

13. Seattle Seahawks - RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
I don't see Julius Jones carrying the full load in Seattle and I don't think Jim Mora does either. DeMarco Murray will add a much-needed spark to Seattle's backfield. Murray is extremely underrated at this point in time but he has too much talent to be ignored forever. If he runs a low 4.3 at the combine look for his name in the first 20 picks of this draft.

14. San Diego Chargers - WR Percy Harvin, Florida
The Chargers have precious few needs on their team, the only major one being a right tackle. However, it's a bit early in the draft to take a right tackle so they will take a very talented wide receiver. Harvin is an absolute beast of an athlete who truly has the ability to take over a game. With Chris Chambers and Vincent Jackson, Harvin will help to open up the Chargers offense a whole lot more than we have seen in the past.

15. Indianapolis Colts - DT Vance Walker, Georgia Tech
Walker has impressed me a lot during this season. He is clearly the best player on Georgia Tech's defensive line despite all the hype surrounding Michael Johnson. Walker is excellent at playing his gaps and rarely is caught out of position. He is also athletic enough to play in the Tampa 2 scheme at defensive tackle or defensive end which should appeal to Tony Dungy.

16. Jacksonville Jaguars - WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
A little bit of a reach won't stop the Jaguars from taking the best receiver available where they draft. Anyone who thinks Jerry Porter, Reggie Williams, and Troy Williamson are going to cut it for David Garrard is delusional. Heyward-Bey has looked better this year though he only managed two catches against the only ranked team the Terps faced (California).

17. San Francisco 49ers - DE Greg Hardy, Ole Miss
Greg Hardy will convert to the rush linebacker position in the 49ers' 3-4 defense. That should suit him just fine and he should turn out to be a real steal for the 49ers at this point in the draft.

18. Atlanta Falcons - CB Vontae Davis, Illinois
The Falcons need some more talent in their secondary and Vontae Davis is the best player available at this point in time. Davis should help make a young defense competitive in 2009.

19. Washington Redskins - CB Mark Parson, Ohio
Mark Parson put himself on the radar with a very strong performance against Brian Robiskie of Ohio State. For a Redskins' secondary in need of improvement, Parson should become an immediate starter in place of Carlos Rogers.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DE Greg Middleton, Indiana
The Buccaneers need a better pass rusher opposite Gaines Adams. Middleton is an extremely talented player who would probably be a top 5 pick if he played for a more competitive school.

21. New England Patriots - CB Macho Harris, Virginia Tech
The Patriots need improvement from their secondary in the worst way and Harris has looked very good thus far. Harris should start from day one and be a breath of fresh air from the start.

22. Arizona Cardinals - G Duke Robinson, Oklahoma
The Cardinals will take Robinson giving them the best guard prospect since Steve Hutchinson. Robinson will help pave the way for Tim Hightower for a long time.

23. Philadelphia Eagles (from Carolina) - T Eugene Monroe, Virginia
The Eagles cannot believe Monroe falls all the way to them at 23rd overall and Andy Reid thanks Jesus for the run on tackles in last year's draft. This pick literally takes the Eagles four seconds to make.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers - T Andre Smith, Alabama
The Steelers offensive line was broken, beat, and scarred for life during their game against Philadelphia. They will take the best player available on the offensive line.

25. Philadelphia Eagles - S Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech
After Eugene Monroe falls all the way to #23 Andy Reid will get so drunk in celebration that ownership will choose to remove him from the selection process entirely and allow Jonathan Pickens, a local fan, to make the selection for them. Pickens will correctly deduce that Brian Dawkins is reaching the end of his career and will choose Kam Chancellor, a great safety from Virginia Tech. Eagles fans will boo the selection because they wanted Ricky Williams but Chancellor will go on to have a very good NFL career.

26. Green Bay Packers - C Alex Mack, California
Scott Wells may be decent but Alex Mack is a great center. The Packers need a little help on the interior line and Alex Mack can provide that more than ably.

27. Baltimore Ravens - WR Brian Robiskie, Ohio State
Robiskie is one of the best receivers in college football whether his stats show it or not and the Ravens could use some help at wide receiver. Robiskie will help replace Derrick Mason, whose time is growing shorter and shorter with every day that passes.

28. Tennessee Titans - ILB Rey Maualuga, USC
It's incredible that Maualuga falls this far but there just isn't that much demand for middle linebackers in the NFL right now. The Titans will love Maualuga's ability to fly to the ball and his athleticism though they may not love his coverage skills.

29. New York Giants - TE Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
Kevin Boss has not lived up to expectations and he will likely be replaced in 2009. Brandon Pettigrew is easily the most athletic tight end in this draft but needs to avoid any more trouble to be picked in the first round.

30. Buffalo Bills - TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
The Bills need an upgrade over Robert Royal and Gresham is the man for the job.

31. Denver Broncos - ILB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
The Broncos need an upgrade at middle linebacker and Laurinaitis is the best on the board. If he can improve his tackling technique, he has the potential to become one of the best linebackers in the NFL.

32. Dallas Cowboys - WR Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma
Iglesias has put together a very solid year thus far in Oklahoma. If he keeps it up, he will be a first round pick come April.

titan_qb_3
09-28-2008, 09:16 AM
Very good Chiefs pick. Looks good all around but I'm not so sure on Painter

PuppyPuncher
09-28-2008, 11:45 AM
-#1 overall pick is a running back? You've got to be kidding me. How is Knowshon going to make other teams respect the run when their are no running lanes because the offensive line is shambles? HINT: MICHAEL OHER. You can find a running back in any round.
-Makes more sense for Cleveland to take Selvie. They have no pass rush. Eric Wright can be the #1, he just needs to develop.
-No, the Raiders have a LT in Mario Henderson.
-Julius Jones is like second or third in rushing yards right now.
-Chargers still believe in Buster Davis. Besides, Florida WRs are always blackballed.
-Chris Houston and Brent Grimes are kicking ass.
-Eugene Monroe should definitely not be falling that far.
-Maybe you should consider switching Duke Robinson for Alex Mack. Cardinals need a C more than a G.
-No way you can convince me that Brian Robiskie is a first round receiver. Guy won't be able to seperate in the NFL.

MMONTERO
09-28-2008, 12:13 PM
-#1 overall pick is a running back? You've got to be kidding me. How is Knowshon going to make other teams respect the run when their are no running lanes because the offensive line is shambles? HINT: MICHAEL OHER. You can find a running back in any round.
-Makes more sense for Cleveland to take Selvie. They have no pass rush. Eric Wright can be the #1, he just needs to develop.
-No, the Raiders have a LT in Mario Henderson.
-Julius Jones is like second or third in rushing yards right now.
-Chargers still believe in Buster Davis. Besides, Florida WRs are always blackballed.
-Chris Houston and Brent Grimes are kicking ass.
-Eugene Monroe should definitely not be falling that far.
-Maybe you should consider switching Duke Robinson for Alex Mack. Cardinals need a C more than a G.
-No way you can convince me that Brian Robiskie is a first round receiver. Guy won't be able to seperate in the NFL.

The Bengals are unique in that with the first pick they don't have a legitimate pick to make. They won't go LT as they just gave Levi Jones a huge extension in 2006. Historically, the Bengals let their highly paid offensive players fail for too long. They don't need a QB and there is no value for their scheme at DE or DT. Likely, they will look to trade down from there but in the absence of that, they will take Moreno, who is the best value there for them. Also, don't forget that running backs are extremely valuable when there is demand for them. There is ample demand in Cincinnati. Also, I'm sure you have seen me compare Moreno to Barry Sanders numerous times and Sanders was great with a horrible offensive line.

Yeah for some reason when I made this I was thinking Cleveland was running a 4-3. So I won't argue that point. Selvie would absolutely be the better pick.

You will notice I didn't give them an LT. And who?

When all is said and done, I don't see Julius Jones staying there.

But the Chargers have no other needs worth picking there. Who else would they pick. Another corner?

Again, I don't see Houston and Grimes keeping up that solid level of play when they play teams that are actually, I don't know, competitive.

Monroe shouldn't fall that far but he could. A lot of teams have left tackles right now.

I think Duke is better value and it's not like they don't need a guard.

I think Robiskie will make a good NFL receiver. I haven't seen these separation issues you speak of.

Matt McGuire
09-28-2008, 12:18 PM
A runningback over Michael Oher? Are you smoking crack?

Look at what the Bears just did. They drafted a franchise runningback in the 2nd round with Forte. You can't do that with left tackles...you can it's just extremely hard. Thats why 7 potential left tackles went in the first round in 2008.

I mean that's all I needed to see, then I saw a corner in the top 3 and I lol'd.

MMONTERO
09-28-2008, 01:19 PM
A runningback over Michael Oher? Are you smoking crack?

Look at what the Bears just did. They drafted a franchise runningback in the 2nd round with Forte. You can't do that with left tackles...you can it's just extremely hard. Thats why 7 potential left tackles went in the first round in 2008.

I mean that's all I needed to see, then I saw a corner in the top 3 and I lol'd.

Please explain why Cincinnati would take an LT when they still have faith in Levi Jones. I think drafting a backup is more laughable. If I'm Cincy I take Oher but I'm not Cincy and there history shows that they will keep the faith with Levi.

Again, I forgot that Cleveland runs the 3-4. That is completely inexcusable and it will change next week.

IlliniVikeFan23
09-28-2008, 03:52 PM
I'm sorry but you may be the most clueless person on this board when it comes to the NFL draft. What happened to Hunter Cantwell? First you have him a top 5 pick now he's out of your first round?

People have already touched on how horrendous your first overall pick is. There is a 0% chance of that...Chris Perry is a servicable RB, they obviously have waaay bigger needs.

Curtis Painter? What a ****ty pick...He is not a first rounder.

PuppyPuncher
09-28-2008, 04:25 PM
The Bengals are unique in that with the first pick they don't have a legitimate pick to make. They won't go LT as they just gave Levi Jones a huge extension in 2006. Historically, the Bengals let their highly paid offensive players fail for too long. They don't need a QB and there is no value for their scheme at DE or DT. Likely, they will look to trade down from there but in the absence of that, they will take Moreno, who is the best value there for them. Also, don't forget that running backs are extremely valuable when there is demand for them. There is ample demand in Cincinnati. Also, I'm sure you have seen me compare Moreno to Barry Sanders numerous times and Sanders was great with a horrible offensive line.

They can easily just release him or ask him to take a pay cut like they did with Willie Anderson? Explain that one to me. I don't understand how George Selvie could have no value. Robert Geathers ain't getting it done.

Yeah for some reason when I made this I was thinking Cleveland was running a 4-3. So I won't argue that point. Selvie would absolutely be the better pick.

You will notice I didn't give them an LT. And who?

You mentioned it, he's a 3rd round pick from two years ago.

When all is said and done, I don't see Julius Jones staying there.

Too productive for Seattle?

But the Chargers have no other needs worth picking there. Who else would they pick. Another corner?

RT, SS, ILB, NT, look at their upcoming free agents.

Again, I don't see Houston and Grimes keeping up that solid level of play when they play teams that are actually, I don't know, competitive.

Asinine.

Monroe shouldn't fall that far but he could. A lot of teams have left tackles right now.

You've completely ignored teams like Detroit, Seattle, and Jacksonville.

I think Duke is better value and it's not like they don't need a guard.

Meh, that's true, their centers are a lot worse than their guards though.

I think Robiskie will make a good NFL receiver. I haven't seen these separation issues you speak of.

Mark Parsons shut him down, just as the USC defense did. So far he's only been able to burn Minnesota and Youngstown St.



This is what I think.

Matt McGuire
09-28-2008, 07:19 PM
Please explain why Cincinnati would take an LT when they still have faith in Levi Jones. I think drafting a backup is more laughable. If I'm Cincy I take Oher but I'm not Cincy and there history shows that they will keep the faith with Levi.

Again, I forgot that Cleveland runs the 3-4. That is completely inexcusable and it will change next week.

Yeah I'm sure they have faith in a left tackle that's played like complete horse**** this season and Marvin Lewis won't be the head coach in 2009 so the new head coach will have no ties to Levi Jones.

Drafting a backup? Oher is the best tackle prospect since Pace.

You think a runningback will fix Cincy's problems? You go with the best player on the board at positions of LT, DE, or QB. They don't need a quarterback, so obviously it is a LT or DE. Easy pick is Mike Oher, or if you like Eugene Monroe he is a possibility too.

Joey_Potter
09-28-2008, 09:24 PM
Good pick for the Browns, Chiefs, and Saints.

Wasted Pick for the Bengals, Vikings, and Seahawks.

MMONTERO
09-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Drafting a backup? Oher is the best tackle prospect since Pace.


Right but if they still have faith in Levi Jones, who hasn't played as badly as you all have said, why would they draft Oher without the intentions of starting him? Running back is an extremely valuable position but we forget it due to the lack of demand in the current NFL.

MMONTERO
09-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Good pick for the Browns, Chiefs, and Saints.

Wasted Pick for the Bengals, Vikings, and Seahawks.

Why is the Vikings pick wasted? What screams GLARING NEED in caps on that team other than QB? Painter fits their system perfectly.

Joey_Potter
09-29-2008, 04:32 PM
Not the position chosen but the player chosen there. I have more faith in Painter under center than Tebow but from what I have seen that isn't a compliment.

Painter would be on the bench for a year or two just to learn to take a snap. They need a quarterback to plug in there after one camp, not a guy to sit the bench because he cant take a snap under center.

Trust me on this. I have coached quarterbacks who couldn't take a snap under center and my hair line is now a few centimeters higher. That is a coaches worst nightmare to have to give a quarterback and center quality time away from practice just to make him learn how to take a snap. It is also embarrassing as hell to everyone on the team to watch.

regoob2
09-30-2008, 09:56 AM
This is a joke mock right?

PuppyPuncher
09-30-2008, 11:18 AM
Everyone on this forum is really mean.

Joey_Potter
09-30-2008, 11:19 AM
Be nice Regoob. Constructive criticism.

Besides, after last year it would have to look like this to be a joke Mock:

1) Cincinnati: Cornerback Rodney Carrington
The Bengals are a joke so let's get some laughs and see some ti...er boobs all at once.

2) Kansas City: Quarterback Otto Graham
The Chiefs need experience at Quarterback. Graham provides loads of it.

3) Cleveland: Defensive Tackle Peter Griffin
Did you not see that episode with Tom Brady where he mowed everyone over.

4) St. Louis: Utility Player Clark Kent AKA Super Man
They need everything. Why not give them everything.

5) Detroit: Fullback Chewbacca
Could you see Kevin Smith running behind Chewy while the big man rips the defenders arms out of their sockets and beats them with their own arms. 16-0 baby.

That is a joke Regoob.

regoob2
09-30-2008, 01:14 PM
Honestly when I first read the mock I honestly thought some of the picks were jokes but I guess I'm wrong. Multiple first rounds picks that arent even day one prospects. Moreno #1 overall? Seriously? If you make a mock like this you should be ready for some comments.

beastmode
09-30-2008, 04:08 PM
- The Vikings still need to improve their secondary. And there is a ton of secondary talent available at that point in your mock. There's no reason they should reach for a tight end, particularly one who has a hobby of assaulting police officers, when they can still nab a good one in the second or third round.


- The Cardinals have no glaring needs? They definitely need to improve a bad secondary.

- There is no way in hell Rey Maualuga falls to #28 overall.



You said the above in response to my Mock Draft. I recommend that before you go around and start trashing peoples mocks that you actually think about what you say before you say it. Example:

Your pick for the Vikings:
12. Minnesota Vikings - QB Curtis Painter, Purdue
The Vikings biggest need is at quarterback so I believe they will reach for the one that fits their system the best. It's hard to imagine that Painter will still be available in round 2 given the weakness of this class at the quarterback position. This may seem like a stretch but taking Joe Flacco at #18 overall was more of a stretch. Painter fits the West Coast offense like a glove.

And what you said about my mock:
The Vikings still need to improve their secondary. And there is a ton of secondary talent available at that point in your mock. There's no reason they should reach for a tight end, particularly one who has a hobby of assaulting police officers, when they can still nab a good one in the second or third round.

Replace Tight End in that paragraph and replace it with QB, then drop the police part.


You also said, "The Cardinals have no glaring needs? They definitely need to improve a bad secondary." in response to my mock, yet in your mock you have them taking Duke Robinson.


Oh, and this:
There is no way in hell Rey Maualuga falls to #28 overall.


28. Tennessee Titans - ILB Rey Maualuga, USC


So, in short, I'm calling you a total hypocrit who just goes around bashing other people's mocks for fun.

MMONTERO
09-30-2008, 09:50 PM
You said the above in response to my Mock Draft. I recommend that before you go around and start trashing peoples mocks that you actually think about what you say before you say it. Example:

Your pick for the Vikings:

And what you said about my mock:

Replace Tight End in that paragraph and replace it with QB, then drop the police part.


You also said, "The Cardinals have no glaring needs? They definitely need to improve a bad secondary." in response to my mock, yet in your mock you have them taking Duke Robinson.


Oh, and this:




So, in short, I'm calling you a total hypocrit who just goes around bashing other people's mocks for fun.

You are forgetting value. The only fair criticism you made is Rey Maualuga, which, I admit, looking at my mock order, I was wrong about.

You have to be an idiot to think that reaching for a tight end and reaching for a quarterback are even near the same thing so I'm really not going to even address that.

They don't have glaring needs on the offensive line but frankly where they are picking Robinson makes the most sense with every corner I had with a first-round grade gone at that point. You can't ignore value.

beastmode
10-01-2008, 06:03 AM
You have to be an idiot to think that reaching for a tight end and reaching for a quarterback are even near the same thing so I'm really not going to even address that.




You're right. Reaching for a 3rd round quaterback is much worse than grabbing an elite TE talent.

MMONTERO
10-01-2008, 06:03 PM
You're right. Reaching for a 3rd round quaterback is much worse than grabbing an elite TE talent.

3rd round quarterback? Painter is the second-best quarterback in college football. Who is better? Tebow? Stafford? Harper? Think about what you say before you say it.

regoob2
10-01-2008, 09:56 PM
3rd round quarterback? Painter is the second-best quarterback in college football. Who is better? Tebow? Stafford? Harper? Think about what you say before you say it.
Chase Daniel is a better college QB. We're talking about pro potential. Painter doesnt have a great arm. I'm a Painter fan and I dont think he'll go day 1. And yes I think all those QBs will be picked before Painter.

Blazedestin
10-02-2008, 01:40 AM
Chase Daniel is a better college QB. We're talking about pro potential. Painter doesnt have a great arm. I'm a Painter fan and I dont think he'll go day 1. And yes I think all those QBs will be picked before Painter.

Chase Daniel is very short (Shorter than Brees and Garcia), but I think he could possibly transition fine into the NFL. I definitely think he could go round 2 to the 49'ers, as I think Mike Martz will love the kid.

Curtis Painter is probably a late 2nd, early 3rd round short-term project QB. He needs to learn how to take snaps from under center. I don't think he's ever done that. Most QB's coming out of Joe Tiller's spread scheme require a year or two out of it in order to do anything.

Blazedestin
10-02-2008, 01:46 AM
anyway...

Browns would be insane to pass up George Selvie. If they're at #3, they could pick up someone like Macho Harris, Mike Mickens, or Mark Parson on the top of round 2. Brian Orkapo's upside is much, much lower than Selvie's.

No way the Bengals spend a #1 overall on a running back. Much better to take a guy like James Davis in round 2.

Not sure, but i have Spiller way higher than DeMarco Murray on my board.

Andre Smith won't fall past #15. At all. He's too good for that.

I would flip out if we took a 1st round TE. Linebacker (Hi, James Laurinaitis!), Offensitve tackle (Ciron Black waves), or even another stud CB across from Aaron Ross (Mike Mickens in this draft) would be much better.

beastmode
10-03-2008, 04:20 PM
3rd round quarterback? Painter is the second-best quarterback in college football. Who is better? Tebow? Stafford? Harper? Think about what you say before you say it.

Its you that needs to do the thinking. Painter barely complete half his passes against Notre Dame of all teams. The truth is Painter never takes snaps under center, has a below average arm, and lacks leadership ability. Stafford, Tebow, and Harper will easily be drafted above him. And how the hell is Painter the 2nd best QB in CFB? Are we talking statistically? If we are then Painter sucks. He is 82nd nationally in Passer Efficiancy Rating, behind Jimmy Clausen and Thaddeus Lewis. Oh yeah, and he is 26th in Passing Yards, behind Lyle Moevao. Moevao plays in a conservative, run first offense. Painter plays in a spread. Anyway you look at it Painter does not warrant a first round selection in any way, shape, or form.

beastmode
10-03-2008, 04:26 PM
13. Seattle Seahawks - RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
I don't see Julius Jones carrying the full load in Seattle and I don't think Jim Mora does either. DeMarco Murray will add a much-needed spark to Seattle's backfield. Murray is extremely underrated at this point in time but he has too much talent to be ignored forever. If he runs a low 4.3 at the combine look for his name in the first 20 picks of this draft.




No way Murray gets picked in the first round, even if he runs a 4.18 40. Murray weighs in at 192, and that might be exaggerating. No starting running back in the NFL is under 200 pounds. Even Brian Westbrook weighs in at 203. Why would an NFL team spend a first round pick on a scatback? Or better yet, why would the Seahawks select a RB in the first when they can grab LeSean McCoy in the second.

MMONTERO
10-03-2008, 07:33 PM
Its you that needs to do the thinking. Painter barely complete half his passes against Notre Dame of all teams. The truth is Painter never takes snaps under center, has a below average arm, and lacks leadership ability. Stafford, Tebow, and Harper will easily be drafted above him. And how the hell is Painter the 2nd best QB in CFB? Are we talking statistically? If we are then Painter sucks. He is 82nd nationally in Passer Efficiancy Rating, behind Jimmy Clausen and Thaddeus Lewis. Oh yeah, and he is 26th in Passing Yards, behind Lyle Moevao. Moevao plays in a conservative, run first offense. Painter plays in a spread. Anyway you look at it Painter does not warrant a first round selection in any way, shape, or form.

Again you are ignoring the facts. Good GMs pick QBs who fit THEIR system and Painter is the best pure WCO prospect in this draft easily. The Ravens reached for Flacco at 18th overall and Flacco was a 3rd round prospect. You are forgetting the value of QBs and the need for them to be able to succeed in a system.

MMONTERO
10-03-2008, 07:44 PM
No way Murray gets picked in the first round, even if he runs a 4.18 40. Murray weighs in at 192, and that might be exaggerating. No starting running back in the NFL is under 200 pounds. Even Brian Westbrook weighs in at 203. Why would an NFL team spend a first round pick on a scatback? Or better yet, why would the Seahawks select a RB in the first when they can grab LeSean McCoy in the second.

DeMarco Murray is a player you have to watch a lot to understand. You can't just watch the highlight reels. Murray runs bigger than he is and his speed and moves are absolutely devastating. He is too much of a gamebreaker not to go in the first round and I would be shocked if he didn't.

beastmode
10-03-2008, 07:59 PM
Again you are ignoring the facts. Good GMs pick QBs who fit THEIR system and Painter is the best pure WCO prospect in this draft easily. The Ravens reached for Flacco at 18th overall and Flacco was a 3rd round prospect. You are forgetting the value of QBs and the need for them to be able to succeed in a system.

Flacco had probably the strongest arm in the 2008 class, put up good stats, AND lead his team to the national title game. Painter has none of those accomplishments on his resume. Yes, Flacco was playing 1-AA ball, but what he did is still impressive.

beastmode
10-03-2008, 08:05 PM
DeMarco Murray is a player you have to watch a lot to understand. You can't just watch the highlight reels. Murray runs bigger than he is and his speed and moves are absolutely devastating. He is too much of a gamebreaker not to go in the first round and I would be shocked if he didn't.


Way to aviod my point. I never questioned Murray's speed or moves. I am well aware that he is a gamebreaking athlete. However, (and I shouldn't have to repeat myself) THERE ARE NO STARTING RUNNING BACKS IN THE NFL THAT WEIGH UNDER 200 POUNDS. Why would you spend your 1st round pick on a backup?

MMONTERO
10-03-2008, 08:17 PM
Way to aviod my point. I never questioned Murray's speed or moves. I am well aware that he is a gamebreaking athlete. However, (and I shouldn't have to repeat myself) THERE ARE NO STARTING RUNNING BACKS IN THE NFL THAT WEIGH UNDER 200 POUNDS. Why would you spend your 1st round pick on a backup?

He would be the feature back in Seattle's offense as Julius Jones's performance thus far is a complete aberration. And just because there are none doesn't mean there can't be one. Think outside the box a bit like GMs do.

beastmode
10-03-2008, 08:27 PM
He would be the feature back in Seattle's offense as Julius Jones's performance thus far is a complete aberration. And just because there are none doesn't mean there can't be one. Think outside the box a bit like GMs do.

This is the point I am trying to make. Murray cannot survive as a feature back in this league, the same way that Steve Slaton can't. Any GM who drafted him in the 1st would be thinking a little two far outside the box, as in like Matt Millen Far.

PuppyPuncher
10-03-2008, 10:27 PM
Again you are ignoring the facts. Good GMs pick QBs who fit THEIR system and Painter is the best pure WCO prospect in this draft easily. The Ravens reached for Flacco at 18th overall and Flacco was a 3rd round prospect. You are forgetting the value of QBs and the need for them to be able to succeed in a system.

He's actually right about picking QBs that fit systems.

beastmode
10-03-2008, 10:58 PM
He's actually right about picking QBs that fit systems.


Who is going to grab Painter between the Vikings first and second round picks?

MMONTERO
10-04-2008, 05:02 AM
Who is going to grab Painter between the Vikings first and second round picks?

Who was going to grab Flacco between the Ravens first and second round picks? You are ignoring the paranoia of NFL GMs.

beastmode
10-04-2008, 07:23 AM
Flacco>Painter

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cutty
10-04-2008, 08:31 AM
Way to aviod my point. I never questioned Murray's speed or moves. I am well aware that he is a gamebreaking athlete. However, (and I shouldn't have to repeat myself) THERE ARE NO STARTING RUNNING BACKS IN THE NFL THAT WEIGH UNDER 200 POUNDS. Why would you spend your 1st round pick on a backup?

Enough with the 200 pound nonsense. Just because its a nice even number doesn't mean its magical and every running back has to be at least 201 to survive in the NFL. I'd be willing to bet that guys like Brian Westbrook, Reggie Bush, and Chris Johnson have played or will play games under 200 pounds. And not to mention, Barry Sanders playing weight was 203! Plus, who the hell knows what Murray is gonna weigh in at the combine.

beastmode
10-04-2008, 11:16 AM
I never said that RB's bellow the 200 pound threshold can't have success in the NFL. However, I don't believe that they warrant a 1st round selection because they wont be able to handle 20-25 carries a game in the NFL. And with the 200 pound thing, I'm simply analyzing a trend. 193 pound running backs cant carry a full load the same way 6 foot QB's have a hard time scanning the field (and yes, I'm well aware that Drew Brees is short.)

cutty
10-04-2008, 11:44 AM
I never said that RB's bellow the 200 pound threshold can't have success in the NFL. However, I don't believe that they warrant a 1st round selection because they wont be able to handle 20-25 carries a game in the NFL. And with the 200 pound thing, I'm simply analyzing a trend. 193 pound running backs cant carry a full load the same way 6 foot QB's have a hard time scanning the field (and yes, I'm well aware that Drew Brees is short.)

Well as long as you realize what a ridiculous thing it is to say, then I'm satisfied. The fact is that probably 3 or 4 runningbacks will finish with 20-25 carries a game, and most of them on pretty bad teams. Guys like Felix Jones, Bush, Westbrook, etc. DEFINATELY warrant a first round pick for what they can bring to their team, and its not just between the tackles. Last time I checked, big play ability is kind of important, to say that a RB shouldn't warrant a first round pick JUST because he's small? c'mon.

beastmode
10-04-2008, 04:08 PM
This is more than me hating on Murray. Felix Jones was drafted as a compliment to Marion Barber. Chris Johnson was drafted as a compliment to LenDale Whit. Brian Westbrook was a 3rd round pick. The Seahwaks need a feature guy before they draft a speedy compliment.

MMONTERO
10-05-2008, 03:45 AM
Let me guess beast... you were one of the guys in the 1989 draft saying the Lions were ridiculous to draft Barry Sanders because he was 5'8", 200 lbs.

Joey_Potter
10-05-2008, 10:46 AM
Again you are ignoring the facts. Good GMs pick QBs who fit THEIR system and Painter is the best pure WCO prospect in this draft easily. The Ravens reached for Flacco at 18th overall and Flacco was a 3rd round prospect. You are forgetting the value of QBs and the need for them to be able to succeed in a system.

As I have said many times. Skills dont mean **** if you can't take a snap. Like everyone on this site is blind to that fact.

PuppyPuncher
10-05-2008, 03:36 PM
Well Curtis Painter sucked yesterday. Who's your new #1 QB prospect?

beastmode
10-05-2008, 03:48 PM
Let me guess beast... you were one of the guys in the 1989 draft saying the Lions were ridiculous to draft Barry Sanders because he was 5'8", 200 lbs.

I started following the draft like 2 years ago...

Tango
10-05-2008, 03:49 PM
DT or DE for packers is a must.

beastmode
10-05-2008, 03:51 PM
wrong thread

Air Norv
10-11-2008, 12:02 AM
No way Murray gets picked in the first round, even if he runs a 4.18 40. Murray weighs in at 192, and that might be exaggerating. No starting running back in the NFL is under 200 pounds. Even Brian Westbrook weighs in at 203.

Yea because he can't gain any weight from now until the combine :rolleyes:

PuppyPuncher
10-11-2008, 12:12 AM
DeMarco Murray has been average, if I'm looking at a small scatback who won't get drafted, but is a great college player, how about Glen Coffee of Alabama?

MMONTERO
10-11-2008, 07:12 AM
DeMarco Murray has been average, if I'm looking at a small scatback who won't get drafted, but is a great college player, how about Glen Coffee of Alabama?

DeMarco Murray has been average because he's been splitting carries with Chris Brown. Still, his talent and his home-run ability is undeniable. I only saw Coffee play in one game but I was very impressed by him and I think he has the potential to be a Day 1 prospect.

GridIron NUt
10-15-2008, 05:25 PM
Do you live in Cincinnati Montero?

Do you watch the bengals games?

Are you really ignorant enough to say that the bengals still have faith in Levi Jones after yanking him on multiple occasions in the middle of the game? If they have faith in anyone its Anthony Collins but they plan to start him when Stacy Andrews leaves.

ssabelson
10-18-2008, 05:19 PM
i like the Curtis Painter pick for the Vikes. Frerotte is not our future and neither is T-Jack or JDB. We need a good QB and Painter is the perfect QB for us

Matt McGuire
10-18-2008, 05:22 PM
What makes you think Painter is good?

beastmode
10-19-2008, 09:52 AM
Painter sucks ass, especially in a west coast system. In addition to not being able to take a snap under center, he loves to tap the ball. While this seems insignificant, it can really throw off a timing based offense.