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beastmode
10-19-2008, 10:51 AM
My latest mock, using the NFL standings as of Week 7.




1. Detroit Lions- Micheal Oher, OT, Ole Miss
2. Cinncinnati Bengals- Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
3. St. Louis Rams- Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
4. Seattle Seahawks- Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
5. Oakland Raiders- Micheal Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
6. Kansas City Cheifs- Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
7. Houston Texans- Taylor Mays, S, USC
8. San Francisco 49ers- Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St.
9. Miami Dolphins- William Moore, S, Missouri
10. Cleveland Browns- Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
11. Baltimore Ravens- Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
12. San Diego Chargers- Terrance Cody, NT, Alabama
13. Philadelphia Eagles- Myron Rolle, S, Florida St.
14. New Orleans Saints- Darius Butler, CB, UConn
15. Minnesota Vikings- Jermiane Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
16. Jacksonville Jaguars- Ray Malauga, LB, USC
17. Green Bay Packers- Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
18. Chicago Bears- Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
19. New York Jets- Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
20. New England Patriots- D.J Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
21. Indianapolis Colts- Vince Oghobaase, DT, Duke
22. Washington Redskins- Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
24. Denver Broncos- Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech
25. Detroit Lions (from Cowboys)- George Selvie, DE, South Florida
26. Philadelphia Eagles (from Panthers)- Ciron Black, OT, LSU
27. Atlanta Falcons- Patrick Chung, S, Oregon
28. Arizona Cardinals- Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
29. Pittsburg Steelers- Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma
30. New York Giants- Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
31. Buffalo Bills- Alex Mack, C, California
32. Tennessee Titans- Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan




Notes:

-Brian Orakpo is now my #1 DE in the wake of his recent performances
-Curtis Painter sucks
-Cullen Harper is now a Day 2 pick because of Clemsons failure as well as his shoulder injury
-Players to keep an eye on are Iowa RB Shonn Greene and Oregon State WR Sammie Straughter
-James Laurinaitis will be lucky to hear his named called on Day 1
-Bold Predictions: Jeremy Maclin and Percy Harvin will be busts, Quan Cosby will have success in the NFL and write a book called The 27 Year Old Rookie.
-Second Round coming soon.

Matt McGuire
10-19-2008, 11:09 AM
damn, I didn't know cosby was that old (25 now, will be 26 in december)

cutty
10-19-2008, 11:11 AM
I think you're overrating a few guys
-Eugene Monroe: good player but not a top 10 pick
-Taylor Mays
-Myron Rolle: He's not a top 25 pick any way you look at it. And the Eagles have safeties that can stop the run, they need a legit Free Safety
-Terrance Cody: no way the chargers would take him with so many better players on the board. Cody is a not a legit 1st rounder
-Terrance Taylor: Ever see this guy play? I don't think he's a day 1 pick let alone a 1st rounder

And where's Greg Hardy? If he declares, he's a top 5 pick. And I can't see Maclin falling out of the top 10

And I don't want to beat a dead horse, but there's no chance Detroit passes on Stafford, especially when their O-Line is not nearly as bad as some people seem to think it is

Matt McGuire
10-19-2008, 11:16 AM
Cutty, show me one great game Stafford has played in his career? Can you select a player in the top 5, or even the first round, that has never played one great game?

IlliniVikeFan23
10-19-2008, 11:19 AM
Supposedly Monroe's stock has been dropping according to Sports Illustrated. I watched some of him against UNC and he still looked like his same stud self.

cutty
10-19-2008, 11:25 AM
Cutty, show me one great game Stafford has played in his career? Can you select a player in the top 5, or even the first round, that has never played one great game?

I'm not even sure what you mean, because he's played plenty of great games. I think he looks like a pro quarterback every time I see him, last week against Tennessee was a perfect example. As far as the biggest games he's played, going into the swamp to beat Florida and then taking apart Auburn's defense 2 weeks later was damn impressive.

I'm not looking at the stats when I watch Stafford, I'm watching his mechanics, and that beautiful 20 yard laser he can throw downfield and fit into spots that most NFL QB's are unable to do.

Matt McGuire
10-19-2008, 11:26 AM
hahhahaha Sports Illustrated? They can't even spell Draft.

Matt McGuire
10-19-2008, 11:27 AM
I'm not even sure what you mean, because he's played plenty of great games. I think he looks like a pro quarterback every time I see him, last week against Tennessee was a perfect example. As far as the biggest games he's played, going into the swamp to beat Florida and then taking apart Auburn's defense 2 weeks later was damn impressive.

I'm not looking at the stats when I watch Stafford, I'm watching his mechanics, and that beautiful 20 yard laser he can throw downfield and fit into spots that most NFL QB's are unable to do.

What about how he can't read defenses, doesn't anticipate well, or makes careless decisions with the football at times?

Stafford isn't a great leader. Stats aren't all important, but they are important. Stafford can't put together a big game where he doesn't throw at least 1 INT.

IlliniVikeFan23
10-19-2008, 11:32 AM
hahhahaha Sports Illustrated? They can't even spell Draft.

Here is the link to it.....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/10/13/draft.disappointments/index.html

"Eugene Monroe/T/Virginia: Monroe was graded as an early first-round pick by NFL scouts, yet his recent poor play could push him out of the draft's top 12 picks next April. Monroe worked hard to improve his game this summer, yet on a number of occasions this season he has looked like a novice at left tackle."

cutty
10-19-2008, 11:33 AM
What about how he can't read defenses, doesn't anticipate well, or makes careless decisions with the football at times?

Stafford isn't a great leader. Stats aren't all important, but they are important. Stafford can't put together a big game where he doesn't throw at least 1 INT.

Hey man, he's a young QB in the SEC that has gotten better every year. But yes, he does make bad decisions sometimes but that's very very common for young QB's with big arms, sometimes they're a little too confident in themselves.

The fact is that all of that can be corrected with NFL coaching, and scouts are going to be drooling over what he can do. I hear you though, they are legitimate concerns, but EVERY QB coming out of college has concerns.

cutty
10-19-2008, 11:40 AM
10. Cleveland Browns- Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
.

Great pick, he would make a phenominal rush linebacker.

Anyone catch any of Georgia Tech yesterday? I don't think Michael Johnson even looks like a day 1 pick

regoob2
10-19-2008, 12:54 PM
Bad Bears pick. Maclin would be a horrible fit for our offense. Duke, Black, Selvie would all be better picks.

DarkoBWM
10-19-2008, 01:03 PM
Do you have Sanchez staying at USC?

Hunter
10-19-2008, 01:20 PM
-James Laurinaitis will be lucky to hear his named called on Day 1


???

cutty
10-19-2008, 01:45 PM
???

Yeah that's just hate. If you want to make a case that Laurinaitis isn't a 1st round pick, that's fine. but to say he won't go on Day 1? c'mon

MattCarsonJohnMarkCarroll
10-19-2008, 07:18 PM
J-Laur will not and should not go round 1.... but no way a player as productive as he is falls any further than round 3.

beastmode
10-19-2008, 08:56 PM
Do you have Sanchez staying at USC?

Yes

beastmode
10-19-2008, 08:59 PM
???


Laurinaitis reminds me a lot of Brian Urlacher, but not nearly as athletic. He just hasn't shown much great playmaking ability and cant take on blockers. He needs to become more of a playmaker to get into the 1st round. Oh, and Brandon Spikes will definatley go before Laurinaitis, which is why he would fall to Day 2.

beastmode
10-19-2008, 09:01 PM
I don't think Michael Johnson even looks like a day 1 pick


Micheal Johnson is the most overrated player in this draft. People just say "
Oh look, a 6-7 260 lbs. DE, lets give him a top 5 grade!" He hasn't done **** in his carreer, especially this season.

MattCarsonJohnMarkCarroll
10-19-2008, 09:07 PM
The Most over rated player in the draft is Stafford no question. Michael Johnson still has the raw skills and shows the flashes to be a stud, unlike Stafford who is all raw ability with very little play to back it up to this point.

beastmode
10-19-2008, 09:11 PM
WTF seriously? At least Stafford actually puts up some ****ing stats!

Matt McGuire
10-19-2008, 09:17 PM
What is Stafford's best game in his career? If there is any QB that doesn't put up stats that people think is good, it is Stafford. HE has never done anything.

cutty
10-19-2008, 09:31 PM
The Most over rated player in the draft is Stafford no question. Michael Johnson still has the raw skills and shows the flashes to be a stud, unlike Stafford who is all raw ability with very little play to back it up to this point.

you're a moron. michael johnson doesn't have the strength or motor to last an entire series vs. college offensive linemen, let me know how it works out when he gets to the pros. his only possible future is as a rush linebacker and that will probably take some time if its even possible

cutty
10-19-2008, 09:41 PM
What is Stafford's best game in his career? If there is any QB that doesn't put up stats that people think is good, it is Stafford. HE has never done anything.

Dude, WHAT are you talking about? You don't like Stafford, WE GET IT. But you write him off like he's never accomplished anything. He went 11-2 last year and put up good numbers in the SEC at 19 years old. Now as a junior, he will definately improve on those numbers and maybe the record. Last year he beat Florida, Auburn, and Alabama, I hear they're pretty good

But I don't even like getting into that because I am judging him on what type of quarterback he'll be on an NFL team. Get over it, if you don't think he's a top 10 guy fine, but to make it seem like he's just a run-of-the-mill QB is laughable. Don't sweat it though kid, you'll get over yourself eventually

MattCarsonJohnMarkCarroll
10-19-2008, 09:46 PM
I don't think Matt believes Stafford is a "run of the mill" kind of QB prospect, but rather a high ceiling guy who hasn't shown the productivity you would expect when talking about somebody possibly being the 1st QB taken in the NFL draft.

Stafford has a great arm and pretty good straight line speed, but he has shaky accuracy and it would be nice to see him make some adjustments at the line more frequently.

Matt McGuire
10-19-2008, 09:53 PM
Dude, WHAT are you talking about? You don't like Stafford, WE GET IT. But you write him off like he's never accomplished anything. He went 11-2 last year and put up good numbers in the SEC at 19 years old. Now as a junior, he will definately improve on those numbers and maybe the record. Last year he beat Florida, Auburn, and Alabama, I hear they're pretty good

But I don't even like getting into that because I am judging him on what type of quarterback he'll be on an NFL team. Get over it, if you don't think he's a top 10 guy fine, but to make it seem like he's just a run-of-the-mill QB is laughable. Don't sweat it though kid, you'll get over yourself eventually

Stafford didn't go 11-2. The OL, defense, and Knowshon Moreno went 11-2. Stafford really didnt' have much to do witht eh success of the passing game, which was pretty ineffecitve (no game of more than 240 yards passing, pathetic).

I love Stafford's talent, far and away the best arm in teh country. I just want him to STEP UP.

He's doing better this year and is getting more consistent with AJ Green, but I want to see a few monster games where he just takes it over. I want to see a field general.

cutty
10-19-2008, 10:00 PM
[QUOTE=Matt McGuire;103154]Stafford didn't go 11-2. The OL, defense, and Knowshon Moreno went 11-2. Stafford really didnt' have much to do witht eh success of the passing game, which was pretty ineffecitve (no game of more than 240 yards passing, pathetic).QUOTE]

From my short time on this website I can tell that you're a pretty knowledgeable guy and I respect your opinion and everything, but what you just said is borderline insane. come on matt, he's the quarterback.

and why the hell should georgia give a damn about throwing for over 300 yards every game when they're going 11-2. this isn't fantasy football

beastmode
10-20-2008, 06:20 AM
What is Stafford's best game in his career? If there is any QB that doesn't put up stats that people think is good, it is Stafford. HE has never done anything.

The point I was trying to make with the prior post was that Micheal Johnson has yet to even touch a stat sheet.

cutty
10-20-2008, 11:32 AM
The point I was trying to make with the prior post was that Micheal Johnson has yet to even touch a stat sheet.

F the stats, half the time it doesn't look like he's even trying, and the other half he's unable to disengage from his block. Plus, his physique just doesn't look cut out for an NFL D-Lineman, he makes Jevon Kearse look like Reggie White

Blazedestin
10-20-2008, 11:59 AM
[QUOTE=Matt McGuire;103154]Stafford didn't go 11-2. The OL, defense, and Knowshon Moreno went 11-2. Stafford really didnt' have much to do witht eh success of the passing game, which was pretty ineffecitve (no game of more than 240 yards passing, pathetic).QUOTE]

From my short time on this website I can tell that you're a pretty knowledgeable guy and I respect your opinion and everything, but what you just said is borderline insane. come on matt, he's the quarterback.

and why the hell should georgia give a damn about throwing for over 300 yards every game when they're going 11-2. this isn't fantasy football

Wait, so right now, Kerry Collins is responsible for the Titans going 6-0? Bull****. If all a QB needs to do is hand the ball off every play, he's not responsible for the team's success.

BMC89
10-20-2008, 12:12 PM
I'm constantly seeing Duke Robinson to the Steelers in mocks, but they have a 25 year old playing well at left guard, and a 23 year old playing well at right. Coming into the year I thought it'd be a need, but their line has been playing a lot better the past couple games. Aside from the eagles game when they let 9 through, they've only allowed ten on the season, and three the last two games, when they've been using our current o-line configuration. On the line, tackle is prolly the most important need, then center. Really though d-line depth is arguably their biggest need. None of the starters or backups are under the age of thirty.

beastmode
10-20-2008, 03:09 PM
I haven't seen too much of the steelers this season aside from MNF and the Eagles debacle. I'd love to give them a DT, but there isn't any value at that pick.

cutty
10-20-2008, 03:13 PM
I haven't seen too much of the steelers this season aside from MNF and the Eagles debacle. I'd love to give them a DT, but there isn't any value at that pick.

Tyson Jackson might be a good fit

BMC89
10-20-2008, 03:20 PM
I really think Tyson Jackson could work, I haven't gotten to see LSU play too much but from what I've heard he's falling, so I guess 2nd or 3rd round maybe. I do like Ricky Sapp from Clemson or Clint Stintim from UVA as OLB depth, and future replacement for James Harrison. But I don't think either of those are really 1st round talents right now. Just thought I'd throw in what I have to say.

cutty
10-20-2008, 03:37 PM
I really think Tyson Jackson could work, I haven't gotten to see LSU play too much but from what I've heard he's falling, so I guess 2nd or 3rd round maybe. I do like Ricky Sapp from Clemson or Clint Stintim from UVA as OLB depth, and future replacement for James Harrison. But I don't think either of those are really 1st round talents right now. Just thought I'd throw in what I have to say.

I'm not sure why Jackson is falling, doesn't he have around 5 sacks already? I've only seen him play twice this year but he looked very good

How about Sergio Kindle from Texas as a rush linebacker? I've started watching him recently and he looks like a hell of an athlete. only a junior though

BMC89
10-20-2008, 03:50 PM
I'm not sure why Jackson is falling, doesn't he have around 5 sacks already? I've only seen him play twice this year but he looked very good

How about Sergio Kindle from Texas as a rush linebacker? I've started watching him recently and he looks like a hell of an athlete. only a junior though

I haven't gotten to see Texas play aside from the Red River Shootout, and I missed a lot of that. And I don't really understand why Jackson is falling either, he did look good when I saw him, maybe scouts were thinking he'd be dominant this year, and instead is just good....damn lofty expectations! Hah

Blazedestin
10-20-2008, 03:57 PM
I'm not sure why Jackson is falling, doesn't he have around 5 sacks already? I've only seen him play twice this year but he looked very good

How about Sergio Kindle from Texas as a rush linebacker? I've started watching him recently and he looks like a hell of an athlete. only a junior though

IIRC, he had 2.5 sacks and 5.5 TFL last season. I honestly cannot say how he's done this season, but just by last season's numbers, he's barely a 4th round prospect.

BMC89
10-20-2008, 04:10 PM
I looked it up, according to the LSU website for his career, he has 86 total tackles, 16.5 tackles for losses and 14 sacks. Thats 4 years starting. His Sophmore year was his best statistically: "Led the team in sacks (8.5) and tackles for loss (10) ... His 8.5 sacks ranked as the fifth most in the SEC in 2006 ... Also credited with 37 tackles, a team-high six quarterback hurries, four broken up passes, an interception and one forced fumble"
Last season: "Started all 14 games at left defensive end ... Credited with 36 total tackles, including 4.5 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks ... Led team with 15 quarterback hurries ... Second on team with 10 pass breakups"
This season he has 18 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss, and 4.5 sacks.
I guess think of that what you will, I just found the stats.

beastmode
10-20-2008, 05:17 PM
Honestly I think Jackson is a bit overrated. I think that entire defense was helped by the presence of Glenn Dorsey and now they are hurting somewhat in his absense. Jackson can be a Day 1 prospect, but he really isn't dominating the way a top 10 pick should. And also, how would he fit in with there scheme? They Steelers have good depth at OLB right now. DT is where they are struggling.

starqb14
10-20-2008, 05:21 PM
hahhahaha Sports Illustrated? They can't even spell Draft.

lol. the best burn from Matt EVER!

BMC89
10-20-2008, 06:09 PM
Honestly I think Jackson is a bit overrated. I think that entire defense was helped by the presence of Glenn Dorsey and now they are hurting somewhat in his absense. Jackson can be a Day 1 prospect, but he really isn't dominating the way a top 10 pick should. And also, how would he fit in with there scheme? They Steelers have good depth at OLB right now. DT is where they are struggling.

He'd be a DE. Where both our starters are over 30. He's 6'5" 295, and would fit right in at DE. I don't know if he could play 5-technique, but size-wise he'd work well. I haven't heard much about Big time DT's this year, especially ones who are sized/suited to play in the 3-4. A potential nose tackle I've looked into a little is BJ Raji from Boston College. http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/raji_b.j.01.html <-- His BC bio. Right kinda size, not sure about temperament, and I haven't had a chance to see him play, but good production, good size.

PuppyPuncher
10-20-2008, 08:05 PM
I'm constantly seeing Duke Robinson to the Steelers in mocks, but they have a 25 year old playing well at left guard, and a 23 year old playing well at right. Coming into the year I thought it'd be a need, but their line has been playing a lot better the past couple games. Aside from the eagles game when they let 9 through, they've only allowed ten on the season, and three the last two games, when they've been using our current o-line configuration. On the line, tackle is prolly the most important need, then center. Really though d-line depth is arguably their biggest need. None of the starters or backups are under the age of thirty.

Chris Kemoeatu is one of the worst guards in this league.

Rhodesfan16
10-20-2008, 09:43 PM
yeah Chris Wells seems more like a viable option