Team Needs

[PuppyPuncher]

Bears: G, WR, DE, FS(?), SLB, RT

Bengals: RE, LT, C, RG, RB, MLB, FS, SLB

Bills: C, SLB, TE, G, DT, DE

Broncos: CB, MLB, DT, FS, SS, C, RB, LE

Browns: RB, WR, RT, CB, SS (?), 3-4 OLB, 3-4 DE

Bucs: WR, QB, DT, CB, K, TE

Cardinals: QB, RB, RT, C, MLB, OLB, DE, #2 CB,

Chargers: RT, G, ILB, SS, NT, RB, 3-4 DE

Chiefs: C, G, MLB, OLB, WR, QB (You be the judge), DT, RE,

Colts: DT, DT, LE, RB

Cowboys: NT, SS, ILB, G

Dolphins: CB, FS, ILB(?), NT, FB, WR, NT

Eagles: LT, RT, FB, TE, WR, RB

Falcons: NT, SS, LE, WLB, TE, SLB

49ers: #2 WR, RB, LT, G, C, NT, ILB, CB, 3-4 OLB, QB (Judgement Call)

Giants: WLB, SLB, RT (???), TE, WR (Judgement Call)

Jags: MLB/OLB (Depends on Daryl Smith), Interior O-line, NT, CB, LT, WR

Jets: SS, WR, RB, ILB, CB

Lions: QB, LT, G, C, TE, DT, DE, CB, MLB

Packers: Interior O-line, RE, CB, RT (?), DT, SLB

Panthers: TE, QB, LT (?), RE (?), DT, SLB

Patriots: 3-4 OLB, RB, RT, G, TE, 3-4 DE, CB, ILB, SS

Raiders: WR, RE (?), WLB, LT, G, FS, CB,

Rams: LT, G, C, TE, CB, SS, WLB, DE, WR, FS (?), QB (???)

Ravens: CB, WR, TE, 3-4 DE, 3-4 OLB (?), C (?), ILB (?)

Redskins: CB, G, OLB, DE, LT, G, C, DT, SLB

Saints: SS, OLB, CB, MLB,

Seahawks: FS, SS, CB, G, LT, OLB (?), WR, RB, QB (???)

Steelers: LT, RT, G, C, 5-technique, CB

Texans: DE, NT, SS, FS, CB, WLB, RG

Titans: WR (Irrelevant), QB, MLB, #2 Corner, NT (?), C, WLB

Vikings: DT, CB, FB, QB, SLB, TE, RT, RG, C (?)

[PuppyPuncher]

I'm sick of reading, "_____ has no real needs" in mock drafts. So I thought it would be a good idea to make a thread that showed what each team needs going into next draft. I left some teams blank because I haven't seen them a whole lot this year. And I didn't want Matt to tell me how wrong about the Bucs I was.

It would be nice if everyone could give suggestions and add on what they thought specific teams needed.

(?) = Their starter is a free agent and is a possibility to leave.

[scar988]

Falcons: NT, SS, FS
horribly done. FS not a need Coleman is playing lights out. CB is a need, so is RT and TE. so Atlanta's needs:
cover 2 S, NT, CB, RT, TE

[wraith36444]

TY for mentioning Kotite's Team :D.

Bucs could use a better RB (Graham is not a top 10 or 20 for that matter RB, despite what Matt says), a QB (Garcia is ancient, and they have Griese) and younger WRs

[wraith36444]

Lions need: Everything

[Matt McGuire]

TY for mentioning Kotite's Team :D.

Bucs could use a better RB (Graham is not a top 10 or 20 for that matter RB, despite what Matt says), a QB (Garcia is ancient, and they have Griese) and younger WRs

Cadillac Williams? Warrick Dunn? Earnest Graham has a lot of talent despite what you think. This team's last need is RB.

Bucs needs:

1. Wide receiver: WR most likely to be on this team in 2 years is Antonio Bryant...ouch. The future in free agency for WRs (meaning there is none for us) means a wide receiver must be taken in the first round if a franchise quarterback isn't on the board.

2. Quarterback: Luke McCown sucks. Jeff Garcia is overrated and OLD. Josh Johnson...please. This team needs a signal caller, and I don't see it happening because those teams drafting in the top 10 will draft quarterbacks, leaving us to fend for ourselves and have to stick with Josh Johnson. Still, QB is a huge need.

3. Under tackle: Jovan Haye isn't generating a pass rush, and the 3 technique is the 2nd most important position in the Tampa 2.

4. Cornerback: Phillip Buchanon will be resigned and Aqib Talib is a BALLER, but Ronde Barber is getting old and we aren't sure just how good Elbert Mack is. A nickleback/3rd corner needs to be taken in rounds 3-5.

5. Return specialist: Because Dexter Jackson has been one of the biggest busts of the draft.

6. Kicker: Matt Bryant is terrible in long yardage. Extremely accurate, but a weak leg (Wish list: Jose Martinez, Sam Swank, Louis Sadoka)

[PuppyPuncher]

horribly done. FS not a need Coleman is playing lights out. CB is a need, so is RT and TE. so Atlanta's needs:
cover 2 S, NT, CB, RT, TE

TE isn't heavily involved in the Falcon's offense. 1 interception in 7 game concerns me when we talk about Erik Coleman. I don't see how Atlanta could pass up Taylor Mays if he is there when they pick.

[scar988]

TE isn't heavily involved in the Falcon's offense. 1 interception in 7 game concerns me when we talk about Erik Coleman. I don't see how Atlanta could pass up Taylor Mays if he is there when they pick.

1) int's aren't really done in our defense as it is.it's not a prime focus. covering the man is and Coleman is doing great at that.
2) Taylor Mays will be a Lb in the pros.

[wraith36444]

[QUOTE=Matt McGuire;106247]Cadillac Williams? Warrick Dunn? Earnest Graham has a lot of talent despite what you think. This team's last need is RB.

What a coincidence, I found a flaw in your logic:

1. Dunn is almost done (no pun intended), and will likely be retired by 2010.
2. Carnell Williams: When is the last time this guy played. And people rip on Ronnie Brown for getting hurt too much. Carnell is always hurt and hence not reliable (see Shockey, Jeremy, with a better attitude but less talent at his position)
3. Graham, is not that good and could use an upgrade. We all had this dumb debate plenty of times. He is like LenDale White, ok talent, behind a great O-Line and good attitude.

So how is a better RELIABLE RB for the future not a need?

[PuppyPuncher]

2. Carnell Williams: When is the last time this guy played. And people rip on Ronnie Brown for getting hurt too much. Carnell is always hurt and hence not reliable (see Shockey, Jeremy, with a better attitude but less talent at his position)
3. Graham, is not that good and could use an upgrade. We all had this dumb debate plenty of times. He is like LenDale White, ok talent, behind a great O-Line and good attitude.

So how is a better RELIABLE RB for the future not a need?

YOU FOOL! You've just opened up Pandora's box!

[wraith36444]

YOU FOOL! You've just opened up Pandora's box!

I was hoping not to hear Matt hyping the Bucs for this week, so I thought I might as well get it in, and then remind him about his team's incredible offensive (in more than one way) performance, 9 points, seriously, against the defensively inept Cowboys.

[Matt McGuire]

[QUOTE=Matt McGuire;106247]Cadillac Williams? Warrick Dunn? Earnest Graham has a lot of talent despite what you think. This team's last need is RB.

What a coincidence, I found a flaw in your logic:

1. Dunn is almost done (no pun intended), and will likely be retired by 2010.
2. Carnell Williams: When is the last time this guy played. And people rip on Ronnie Brown for getting hurt too much. Carnell is always hurt and hence not reliable (see Shockey, Jeremy, with a better attitude but less talent at his position)
3. Graham, is not that good and could use an upgrade. We all had this dumb debate plenty of times. He is like LenDale White, ok talent, behind a great O-Line and good attitude.

So how is a better RELIABLE RB for the future not a need?

1. I totally agree. He probably has 1 more year left in him. Meaning RB isn't a need for 2009.

2. Maybe Caddy comes back, maybe not. I know he has so much speed and he runs so hard that he could be an 8-10 carry guy for the Bucs. He's been unlucky, and with this OL he can give Tampa some juice...maybe sooner rather than later.

3. Agree to disagree

Tampa has too many needs at WR and QB to take a RB early. And RB isn't a need.

No one cares what you think about Earnest Graham. Bottom line is he is signed through 2011 on an $11M contract. RUNNINGBACK ISN'T A NEED.

[LovemyBills]

i would say the Bills needs rank as follows:

1. Center: yeah they desperately need a center. Fowler might be the worst starting center in the NFL, and Duke Preston sucks just as bad.

2. Defensive End: These DE's generate 0 pass rush whatsoever. Every single one of them is useless and overpaid, especially in the case of Schobel and Kelsay. Schobel is hurt and starting to get old, Kelsay does jack****, Denney is worthless. We'll see what we have in Ellis or Bryan, but it's a need.

3. SLB: The Crowell situation sucks and he's definitely not coming back. Ellison isn't horrible, but definitely not a starter.

4. TE: Dear GOD Robert Royal sucks hardcore. I mean he really sucks. If he's not dropping passes, he's fumbling the ball, or he's committing dumbass penalties. Schouman is below average, and who knows what Derek Fine can do because he's been hurt the whole time.

5. G: I'd like to say the problem is definitely Brad Butler, but Derrek Dockery has sucked ass the entire year. I have no idea what happened to this guy, but he has drastically dropped off from last year.

[wraith36444]

Matt, listen to me. You are the only one here who thinks Ernest Graham is any good. There is a reason he was on the practice squad last year.

Lets look at some teams rushing against the Cowboys at Texas Stadium:

Redskins: Portis 121 Yards
Bengals: 61 Team yards (They used RBBC)
Bucs: 49 Team yards.

BUCS, making the BENGALS rushing attack look good since week 8.

Still not a need, Matt?

[Matt McGuire]

It sucks that Derrick Harvey didn't fall to the Bills...I would have been declared a genius by all Bills fans on their official message board.

[wraith36444]

i would say the Bills needs rank as follows:

1. Center: yeah they desperately need a center. Fowler might be the worst starting center in the NFL, and Duke Preston sucks just as bad.

2. Defensive End: These DE's generate 0 pass rush whatsoever. Every single one of them is useless and overpaid, especially in the case of Schobel and Kelsay. Schobel is hurt and starting to get old, Kelsay does jack****, Denney is worthless. We'll see what we have in Ellis or Bryan, but it's a need.

3. SLB: The Crowell situation sucks and he's definitely not coming back. Ellison isn't horrible, but definitely not a starter.

4. TE: Dear GOD Robert Royal sucks hardcore. I mean he really sucks. If he's not dropping passes, he's fumbling the ball, or he's committing dumbass penalties. Schouman is below average, and who knows what Derek Fine can do because he's been hurt the whole time.

5. G: I'd like to say the problem is definitely Brad Butler, but Derrek Dockery has sucked ass the entire year. I have no idea what happened to this guy, but he has drastically dropped off from last year.

Why do I have this odd feeling that if the Bills won today, half of these needs would not be brought up (coughTEcough)?

[Matt McGuire]

Matt, listen to me. You are the only one here who thinks Ernest Graham is any good. There is a reason he was on the practice squad last year.

Lets look at some teams rushing against the Cowboys at Texas Stadium:

Redskins: Portis 121 Yards
Bengals: 61 Team yards (They used RBBC)
Bucs: 49 Team yards.

BUCS, making the BENGALS rushing attack look good since week 8.

Still not a need, Matt?

The Cowboys defense was really different today and played with much more emotion.

Also: Jason Campbell>Carson Palmer>Jeff Garcia. Plus look at how much better their WRs are to open up the running game.

I really don't care what you think. Bottom line is he is signed until 2011.

[Matt McGuire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dStHyra0XK8

[wraith36444]

And Derek Anderson is signed through 2010, though he probably will not be there until then.

[wraith36444]

The Cowboys defense was really different today and played with much more emotion.

Also: Jason Campbell>Carson Palmer>Jeff Garcia. Plus look at how much better their WRs are to open up the running game.

I really don't care what you think. Bottom line is he is signed until 2011.

Since when is Campbell better than Garcia or Palmer? Faulty logic to prove a faulty point.

[Matt McGuire]

Giants needs: backup QB (**** you guys, don't say ****), TE, WLB, MLB, SS, NT

[Matt McGuire]

Since when is Campbell better than Garcia or Palmer? Faulty logic to prove a faulty point.

He has played better this year that Palmer.

Jeff Garcia is ****ing terrible...do you watch any of our games? Captain Checkdown. He NEVER takes shots down field. No arm strength. Fidgety in the pocket.

[LovemyBills]

Why do I have this odd feeling that if the Bills won today, half of these needs would not be brought up (coughTEcough)?

...no that has been my opinion on our needs this entire year, the loss in Miami hasn't changed anything, nor would it change anything if they won. I've hated Royal since he got here and the backups have been worse.

Matt, I hope Harvery turns out to be a bust because it'll really piss me off if he becomes a star and we didn't get him. Maybe Orakpo will magically fall to us and Mack will be there in the second round

[Matt McGuire]

Redskins needs: CB, OL, DL

[PuppyPuncher]

Jeff Garcia just plays the game like I play Madden: drift towards where you plan on throwing the ball.

[wraith36444]

He has played better this year that Palmer.

Jeff Garcia is ****ing terrible...do you watch any of our games? Captain Checkdown. He NEVER takes shots down field. No arm strength. Fidgety in the pocket.

BC Palmer has been hurt since like game 2 or so!

Ernest Graham has a 4.4 YPC. However, this is misleading bc he played some incredible stop units such as the:

Saints (9.1 YPC)
Atlanta (7.7 YPC)
Packers (5.6 YPC)
Broncos (5.9 YPC)

These are 4 inept RUN Ds (and the hype machine will be brewing next week bc the Bucs play the Chiefs!!)

Against semi-competent run D:

Chicago: (1.3 YPC)
Carolina: (2.2 YPC)
Seattle: (2.3 YPC)
Dallas: (2.5 YPC)

Thats a top RB!!

[Matt McGuire]

BC Palmer has been hurt since like game 2 or so!


I know...which is why I said Campbell has had a better year than Palmer.

[Matt McGuire]

Wraith you're funny...debating about a player signed through 2011..haha

[wraith36444]

you were arguing about this all week......

[Matt McGuire]

You can't give a team a need that has a player locked in until 2011 and a player drafted in the top 5 coming back from an injury.

It doesn't make any sense.

[Cicero]

You can put up DT and WR for the Jags. Something doesn't feel write when saying Matt Jones is the #1 receiver for an NFL team. They are also tied for 21st for yards per carry given up and that's not inflated from being blown out.

I think you could also add TE and SS for the Giants.

[beastmode]

Jags really need O-Line depth.

[cutty]

Eagles
1. OT
2. FS
3. TE
4. DE

[Vbsiena]

Jets needs: S, RB, ILB, WR(but only a #1 type player), OL depth, DL depth

[titan_qb_3]

Chiefs need a QB

[regoob2]

Bears needs: DE, OG, RT, WR, S (depth).

[regoob2]

Giants needs: backup QB (**** you guys, don't say ****), TE, WLB, MLB, SS, NT

I could not stop laughing when I read this and I very rarely laugh out loud.

[Matt McGuire]

I stole this joke from Demetri Martin, but it works on chicks every time.

If you are texting them or IM'ing, when you would normally say "LOL" say "LQTM"

Then she asks what LQTM means.

You say, "Laugh quietly to myself"

Everytime it works, and anytime you can get a cute girl laughing, that's ALWAYS a good thing

[wraith36444]

Jets needs: S, RB, ILB, WR(but only a #1 type player), OL depth, DL depth

How about a QB? Favre is color blind these days and Clemens sucks.

[DarkoBWM]

Matt, listen to me. You are the only one here who thinks Ernest Graham is any good. There is a reason he was on the practice squad last year.

Lets look at some teams rushing against the Cowboys at Texas Stadium:

Redskins: Portis 121 Yards
Bengals: 61 Team yards (They used RBBC)
Bucs: 49 Team yards.

BUCS, making the BENGALS rushing attack look good since week 8.

Still not a need, Matt?He was on the practice squad last season because we had Pittman and Cadillac and Gruden wouldn't listen to his dad about Graham.

The Bucs do not need a RB, not at all.

Buc needs:

1) WR
2) QB
3) DT (UT)
4) CB

[PuppyPuncher]

How about a QB? Favre is color blind these days and Clemens sucks.

They got the Ratliff.

[beastmode]

I stole this joke from Demetri Martin, but it works on chicks every time.

If you are texting them or IM'ing, when you would normally say "LOL" say "LQTM"

Then she asks what LQTM means.

You say, "Laugh quietly to myself"

Everytime it works, and anytime you can get a cute girl laughing, that's ALWAYS a good thing

Wow Matt, you are really something. Not only do you give us your excellent draft advice, but you also give us great pick-up lines! You should write for the Washington Post, you would be a good fit there.

[Vbsiena]

How about a QB? Favre is color blind these days and Clemens sucks.

Well they already carry 4 QBs on their active roster which is ridicious. Drafting another would put them on the Tampa Bay Bucs level of stockpiling QBs.

The potential of Clemens, Ratliff, and Ainge make it so it isn't a need.

[bills_red]

i would say the Bills needs rank as follows:

1. Center: yeah they desperately need a center. Fowler might be the worst starting center in the NFL, and Duke Preston sucks just as bad.
Preston wasn't half bad when he started last game but both are fa and won't be back. Duke is a soild back-up, C #1/#2 need

2. Defensive End: These DE's generate 0 pass rush whatsoever. Every single one of them is useless and overpaid, especially in the case of Schobel and Kelsay. Schobel is hurt and starting to get old, Kelsay does jack****, Denney is worthless. We'll see what we have in Ellis or Bryan, but it's a need.
Schoble has been very good at the run this year, Denney is a ST player. Kelsay is a okay #3 imo. Bryan has actually played well at DE the past few game and he plays ST. But DE is #1/#2 need

3. SLB: The Crowell situation sucks and he's definitely not coming back. Ellison isn't horrible, but definitely not a starter.
agree

4. TE: Dear GOD Robert Royal sucks hardcore. I mean he really sucks. If he's not dropping passes, he's fumbling the ball, or he's committing dumbass penalties. Schouman is below average, and who knows what Derek Fine can do because he's been hurt the whole time.
When you say he sucks hardcore you sounds dumb. He is what he is, a good blocking TE with okay hands, "committing dumbass penalties" when? "Schouman is below average" you know this after he's played like 8games? He plays FB too so he will stay unless we draft a FB. Fine not a fan of the draft pick

5. G: I'd like to say the problem is definitely Brad Butler, but Derrek Dockery has sucked ass the entire year. I have no idea what happened to this guy, but he has drastically dropped off from last year.
LOL, Dock has sucked the entire year????? No more like Jason Peters has sucked ALL year. Butler looks like he should be play RT not RG but Butler is soild but with both back up G's FA we should draft one R5+



B

[GridIron NUt]

I know...which is why I said Campbell has had a better year than Palmer.

No **** Shirlock?

[SoChillLax]

Bucs, Cheifs, Colts, Cowboys, Niners, Giants, Jags, Lions, Panthers, Rams, Seahawks, and Vikings ALL need a qb, either in 09 or 10 draft.

[wraith36444]

Well they already carry 4 QBs on their active roster which is ridicious. Drafting another would put them on the Tampa Bay Bucs level of stockpiling QBs.

The potential of Clemens, Ratliff, and Ainge make it so it isn't a need.

Sorry, what potential do Clemens and Ainge have and before we say Ratliff is the best thing, why do we not see how he performs in a game.

[Cicero]

Oh I totally forgot about this till now, Akers can't kick for **** past 40 yards anymore. Add K for the Eagles.

[beastmode]

Clemens did decently last year as a first time starter. The real problm is their OC. And yeah, Kicker is definately a need for the Eagles.

[Vbsiena]

Sorry, what potential do Clemens and Ainge have and before we say Ratliff is the best thing, why do we not see how he performs in a game.

I feel they have enough potential at that position to warrant not drafting another QB in the 2009 draft. Unless they want to be like the Bucs and stockpile 80 QBs on their roster. Therefore it is not a need in the upcoming draft.

[Bluto]

Giants needs: backup QB (**** you guys, don't say ****), TE, WLB, MLB, SS, NT

I'd like to see them add some more depth on the OL as well.

[Blazedestin]

I don't see MLB as a need for the Giants. They have Antonio Pierce, who has a few good years left. Additionally, there's Jonathan Goff.

[Matt McGuire]

oh ya forgot about Goff, but didn't he have a season ending injury?

[LovemyBills]

Schobel has been very good at the run this year, Denney is a ST player. Kelsay is a okay #3 imo. Bryan has actually played well at DE the past few game and he plays ST. But DE is #1/#2 need

I'm glad they can play the run, but the NFL is a passing league and as we've seen in our two loses, if you can't stop the pass you'll get killed. None of these guys are getting any pressure at all, leaving our CB's out to dry.

He is what he is, a good blocking TE with okay hands, "committing dumbass penalties" when?

Okay hands? That's giving him too much credit, we all saw those drops in Miami. He committed stupid penalties all of 06 and 07. He's kept them down this year, but he does nothing to benefit the offense. All of our TE's just block and pose no threats as receivers. I'm not saying you have to have an elite TE, but one that at least needs to be accounted for, which none of ours do.

And yeah, have you seen Dockery like all this year? He and Peters have been horrible together. They're supposed to be our 2 best, but Walker, Butler, and Chambers have all been better.

[BroncosCon]

Matt, listen to me. You are the only one here who thinks Ernest Graham is any good. There is a reason he was on the practice squad last year.

Lets look at some teams rushing against the Cowboys at Texas Stadium:

Redskins: Portis 121 Yards
Bengals: 61 Team yards (They used RBBC)
Bucs: 49 Team yards.

BUCS, making the BENGALS rushing attack look good since week 8.

Still not a need, Matt?

Sorry, I think Graham is a top 15 back, thusly, RB is NOT a need for the Buccs

[BroncosCon]

Broncos: CB, MLB, DT, FS, SS



good post Puppy

This is about the list for the Broncos. I think they will cut Bly in the offseason. He just sucks enough to not warrant the money.

[Blazedestin]

oh ya forgot about Goff, but didn't he have a season ending injury?

Yeah, but Pierce is only 31. I definitely think our needs are, in order.

OLB (WLB > SLB in priority), SS, OL Depth, TE, MLB

If we get a guy like Brandon Spikes in the bottom of round 2, we should jump on it. But meh.

[EL Guapo]

Goff is back from injury.

[49ersfan]

49ers: #2 WR, RB, RT, G, C, NT, ILB, #2 CB, 3-4 OLB, FS

We don't need a FS, we already have Reggie Smith and Dashon Goldson, two high draft picks. Our receivers are fine, we have Josh Morgan, Bruce, and other up and coming receivers. Our offensive line only has problems at left tackle. Joe Staley needs to move back to right tackle where he is good, although we still won't have a LT.

[Matt McGuire]

49ers: #2 WR, RB, RT, G, C, NT, ILB, #2 CB, 3-4 OLB, FS

We don't need a FS, we already have Reggie Smith and Dashon Goldson, two high draft picks. Our receivers are fine, we have Josh Morgan, Bruce, and other up and coming receivers. Our offensive line only has problems at left tackle. Joe Staley needs to move back to right tackle where he is good, although we still won't have a LT.

So you are happy with JT O'Sullivan or Shaun Hill as your starter? Kidding right?

[PuppyPuncher]

49ers: #2 WR, RB, RT, G, C, NT, ILB, #2 CB, 3-4 OLB, FS

We don't need a FS, we already have Reggie Smith and Dashon Goldson, two high draft picks. Our receivers are fine, we have Josh Morgan, Bruce, and other up and coming receivers. Our offensive line only has problems at left tackle. Joe Staley needs to move back to right tackle where he is good, although we still won't have a LT.

How does the worst offensive line in the league only need a LT? Chilo Rachal only accounts for one guard position.

[Vbsiena]

Still not sure why the Jets need a G, other than for depth.

[DistantRam]

Fowler might be the worst starting center in the NFL
You obviously haven't seen Nick Leckey play! :D

The Rams need just about everything, much like Detroit, but I'd go for a stellar centre (Mack or Unger, at this stage) if we can't get one of Oher, Monroe or Andre Smith in the first round. Those are the three genuine franchise left tackles out there and I'd rather take an elite prospect in a position of real need than a good-but-not-great LT with our first pick.

After that, we need to strengthen the secondary in all positions.

[PuppyPuncher]

Made a couple of changes.

[fatphil101]

Why the heck do the Bengals need a SS? One of our most impactful players, Chinedum Ndukwe, has been playing very well there & he's not going to be replaced. Also, his backup, Kyries Hebert is a beast on ST & Dexter Jackson is a nice veteran guy, although his play has been sub-par.


In order:
LT
C
MLB
SLB/DE
DE/SLB
RB
DT
CB

I'd say something like:
1. Michael Oher, LT, Ole Miss
2. Everette Brown, DE, FSU
3. Jonathan Luigs/Andre Caldwell, C, Arkansas/Alabama
4. Daniel Holtzclaw, MLB, Eastern Michigan
5. BPA at DT
6. BPA at CB
7. BPA at OG

I'm really hoping the Bengals sign either Channing Crowder or Bart Scott. Both are realistic FAs the Bengals should be looking out. They'd help a lot on who to draft, also, since one would eliminate a major need. Also, a speed RB/KR could be looked at via FA.

[PuppyPuncher]

Why the heck do the Bengals need a SS? One of our most impactful players, Chinedum Ndukwe, has been playing very well there & he's not going to be replaced. Also, his backup, Kyries Hebert is a beast on ST & Dexter Jackson is a nice veteran guy, although his play has been sub-par.


In order:
LT
C
MLB
SLB/DE
DE/SLB
RB
DT
CB

I'd say something like:
1. Michael Oher, LT, Ole Miss
2. Everette Brown, DE, FSU
3. Jonathan Luigs/Andre Caldwell, C, Arkansas/Alabama
4. Daniel Holtzclaw, MLB, Eastern Michigan
5. BPA at DT
6. BPA at CB
7. BPA at OG

I'm really hoping the Bengals sign either Channing Crowder or Bart Scott. Both are realistic FAs the Bengals should be looking out. They'd help a lot on who to draft, also, since one would eliminate a major need. Also, a speed RB/KR could be looked at via FA.

I thought Ndukwe was FS. My bad. Don't try and tell me White is a capable starter. I don't think Bart Scott would mesh well with Cinci's schemes.

[Centurion]

Chiefs needs

1. 3 OL - Albert is a good guard, and Waters is a good guard. We need a LT, RT, and C
2. WR - Mark Bradley is inconsistent and injury prone, Devard Darling is a bust, Jeff Webb sucks, and Will Franklin looks like a slot guy. They need another good WR for Thigpen to throw to.
3. Defense - Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, and Brandon Flowers are the only guys who could stand to not be replaced. Pollard and Page are solid enough to go other places first, but if a guy like William Moore is available atop round 2, KC should grab him.

FYI, I believe in taking BPA, within reason. I would rather the Chiefs take the best player available at a somewhat need then reach.

[Tango]

Punter For The Packers

[beastmode]

Do the Redskins really need a CB anymore? Shawn Springs is old and somewhat injury prone, but when healthy he can still cover Terrell Owens. Carlos Rodgers is very good in coverage, he just has no hands. Fred Smoot is solid as a nickel back. DeAngelo Hall might be a penalty machine who gets burt by going for picks to often, but I would take him as my #4 CB any day.

[ryanwest]

I dont think Dallas needs a NT or a SS. We may draft a SS but he will be a role player. After this season, Anthony Henry is making the switch to SS(thank God, because his coverage is God Awful). So if anything we need another CB. Jay Ratliff has done a great job as a NT and I don't think any rookie we bring in will do a better job. ILB is debatable, depends on if we resign Zach Thomas. Hopefully we bring in some more young talent for LB, and hopefully we upgrade our DE and OLB as Greg Ellis is getting old and teams are trying to compensate for Ware.

Dallas' needs: QB(backup), G, T, LB, CB

[PuppyPuncher]

I dont think Dallas needs a NT or a SS. We may draft a SS but he will be a role player. After this season, Anthony Henry is making the switch to SS(thank God, because his coverage is God Awful). So if anything we need another CB. Jay Ratliff has done a great job as a NT and I don't think any rookie we bring in will do a better job. ILB is debatable, depends on if we resign Zach Thomas. Hopefully we bring in some more young talent for LB, and hopefully we upgrade our DE and OLB as Greg Ellis is getting old and teams are trying to compensate for Ware.

Dallas' needs: QB(backup), G, T, LB, CB

I've paid attention to Jay Ratliff, he's gone from awful to above average in his play at Nose Tackle. They should move him to DE and pick up a space eater like BJ Raji or even Terrence Cody.

[ryanwest]

We have two DEs that do very well in Canty and Spears. They take up space and allow Ware and Ellis to come off the edges.

[Matt McGuire]

Spears has never been a dominant player. I feel like an upgrade can be made at 5 technique.

Cowboys have no need for an OLB with Demarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, and Greg Ellis. Maybe one in the 6th or 7th round, but it is a very small need.

At ILB you have underachievers in Bobby Carp and Kevin Burnett. Zach Thomas is old and has no range.

I really don't see CB as a need with Terrence Newman, Mike Jenkins, and Orlando Scandrick...we will see about Pac Man.

My take on Cowboys needs: backup QB, LT, LG, ILB, 5 tech, P (their punter is terrible)

[ryanwest]

Our punter we have now is terrible. McBriar was great(hes the one that broke his leg in that Arizona game). Spears isn't supposed to be dominate in the 3-4 scheme we run. He is just supposed to eat up lineman and free up Ellis and Ware, which he has, we have the 2nd most sacks in the league.

I see Spencer possibly going somewhere else when his contract is up, and Ellis is getting up there in age

Same goes with Newman with age. Scandrick hasn't proven himself as a outside corner, he only plays nickel. Don't mention Pacman, he is gone after this year or kicked out of the league. We probably only use him for punt return the rest of the year.

I would rather draft another CB in the 2nd round(we don't have a 1st round pick) to play opposite of Jenkins for years to come. That way we have 3 young CBs. We give them time to develop.

I agree with you about ILB, our ILB are very underachieving.

I could also see Jerry going after a young WR in the late rounds as Owens' is getting older too. Just to have a work in progress.

[BMC89]

Newman also gets hurt a good deal, I think CB is a late round need, not 2nd though.
Spears is way underachieving, Canty manages to make some plays from the DE spot. They need to move Spears to some team that could use a 4-3 tackle.

[scar988]

Atlanta Falcons

NT - as in a guy who is over 310, can plug in hte run game and penetrate in the pass game. AS IN, NOT SENDERRICK MARKS
SS - Taylor Mays would be hte perfect pick for SS, but Chung would be good too
TE - receiver AND Blocker
WLB - Brooking sucks and should be cut.

[WhoDeyB85]

Bengals: RE, LT, C, RG, RB, MLB, FS, OLB





don't forget CB depth.. J-Jo is hurt all the time, verdict is still out on Hall, and other than that its practice squad-only room...

FS is a need, but Bengals aren't exactly notorious for drafting/signing big time free agents or even resigning capable average veterans at the safety position...

I'd love to see OLB Suggs, ILB Dansby, OT Gross, or C Brown in stripes.. but I don't see whats enticing about Cinci for any big name free agent, except for Suggs.. We've got Ravens ex-LB coach Fitzgerald and the offseason lawsuit could make him want to go to a division rival and extract his revenge twice a year!!

[PuppyPuncher]

don't forget CB depth.. J-Jo is hurt all the time, verdict is still out on Hall, and other than that its practice squad-only room...

FS is a need, but Bengals aren't exactly notorious for drafting/signing big time free agents or even resigning capable average veterans at the safety position...

I'd love to see OLB Suggs, ILB Dansby, OT Gross, or C Brown in stripes.. but I don't see whats enticing about Cinci for any big name free agent, except for Suggs.. We've got Ravens ex-LB coach Fitzgerald and the offseason lawsuit could make him want to go to a division rival and extract his revenge twice a year!!

As a Ravens fan, I firmly believe that Newsome will not let the Ravens only pass rusher escape and franchise tag him again. I'm more worried about the Bengals stealing away Jason Brown, who's basically anchored our offensive line all season.

[supremeworldemperor]

I don't think RB should be the Saints' top priority.

OLB, S and CB should be ahead. I hope the Saints get the best available from those three spots with their firster.

[WhoDeyB85]

As a Ravens fan, I firmly believe that Newsome will not let the Ravens only pass rusher escape and franchise tag him again. I'm more worried about the Bengals stealing away Jason Brown, who's basically anchored our offensive line all season.


In the Bengals forum, some people are saying we should sign C Jason Brown and a lot of us have been saying there's no way Brown goes- but that it would obviously be a no-brainer to go after him. You guys have a lot of re-signing to do between Lewis, Scott, Suggs, Brown, Landry... My top 2 that I would love to have a shot at are Suggs and Brown for sure..

[steelers4life]

Bucs could use a new running back, but its not nearly as pressing an issue as QB or WR. Jeff Garcia and Brian Griese? No thanks. At WR, Galloway is like 37 or 38, Dexter Jackson is a kick returner (good call in the 2nd round TB), and Michael Clayton is a bust. Sure, Tampa's RB situation isnt great, but its fine for at least the next year. Maybe add a back in the 3rd-4th round, nothing ahead of that

[PuppyPuncher]

I don't think RB should be the Saints' top priority.

OLB, S and CB should be ahead. I hope the Saints get the best available from those three spots with their firster.

The order of the positions is irrelevant. They don't reflect on greatest or weakest needs at all. I should probably do an update soon.

[DarkoBWM]

Bucs could use a new running back, but its not nearly as pressing an issue as QB or WR. Jeff Garcia and Brian Griese? No thanks. At WR, Galloway is like 37 or 38, Dexter Jackson is a kick returner (good call in the 2nd round TB), and Michael Clayton is a bust. Sure, Tampa's RB situation isnt great, but its fine for at least the next year. Maybe add a back in the 3rd-4th round, nothing ahead of thatThe Bucs do not need a new RB, Cadillac has looked great these past few games. And Clayton would be be better if we had an actual QB, but we don't.

[Blazedestin]

1. Outside Linebacker: Preferably weakside, as Bryan Kehl can probably move into the SAM when he's developed some more. Danny Clark isn't abysmal, but he isn't starter material.
2. Possession Receiver: Let's face it. Burress is done. We need a big guy that can take his place.
3. Nickelback: Corey Webster and Aaron Ross are fine as starters. Behind them are a hodgepodge of veterans and relatively untalented players. I'm not sold on Terrell Thomas yet.
4. Strong Safety: Kenny Phillips and Michael Johnson should be able to man the safety positions for a while. However, if we get a good value, Michael Johnson is only an average safety and could be upgraded.

[PuppyPuncher]

Was bored at work, so I went through everything and updated all the needs. Once again, input is welcome. Keep in mind that the order has no relevance to biggest or weakest needs.

[Shady00]

Bears: DE - RT/LG - Tall WR - S

[wraith36444]

No QB for the Bears?

[PuppyPuncher]

No QB for the Bears?

Kyle Orton can get it done.

[wraith36444]

He has been atrocious as of late.

[PuppyPuncher]

He has been atrocious as of late.

He's basically playing on a sprained ankle with a crap offensive line and Hester as his #1 receiver. FIND ME THE QUARTERBACK WHO CAN PUT UP GAUDY NUMBERS WITH THIS!

[USCChiFan]

He's basically playing on a sprained ankle with a crap offensive line and Hester as his #1 receiver. FIND ME THE QUARTERBACK WHO CAN PUT UP GAUDY NUMBERS WITH THIS!
No one can, and I've been a Bears fan since the '90s. But, Neckbeard is throwing picks by not reading the defense. Also, for everyone that thinks that Kyle Orton has no arm strength, he does. He has a cannon for an arm, but ever since his ankle sprain, he won't and kinda can't plant that foot and throw it downfield.

He has NO WRs, and when you're relying on Hester, an amazing Kick/Punt Returner as your #1 WR, you're in trouble. Rashied Davis can't catch a cold in Antarctica, Marty Booker is injured and he's washed up, Hester is NOT a #1 WR (More of a #2 or a slot receiver), and Bennett and Rideau get no playing time.

The Bears needs are in order:
1. RG/RT
2. WR
3. DE (Ogunleye is aging, Anderson has regressed and is a liability against the run)
4. FS (Kevin Payne and Mike Brown as Strong Safeties)
5. Center (Olin Kretuz needs a successor, he's not what he used to be)
6. Strongside Linebacker (Nick Roach and Hunter Hillenmeyer are NOT the answer)

[utterlescow]

No one can, and I've been a Bears fan since the '90s. But, Neckbeard is throwing picks by not reading the defense. Also, for everyone that thinks that Kyle Orton has no arm strength, he does. He has a cannon for an arm, but ever since his ankle sprain, he won't and kinda can't plant that foot and throw it downfield.

He has NO WRs, and when you're relying on Hester, an amazing Kick/Punt Returner as your #1 WR, you're in trouble. Rashied Davis can't catch a cold in Antarctica, Marty Booker is injured and he's washed up, Hester is NOT a #1 WR (More of a #2 or a slot receiver), and Bennett and Rideau get no playing time.

The Bears needs are in order:
1. RG/RT
2. WR
3. DE (Ogunleye is aging, Anderson has regressed and is a liability against the run)
4. FS (Kevin Payne and Mike Brown as Strong Safeties)
5. Center (Olin Kretuz needs a successor, he's not what he used to be)
6. Strongside Linebacker (Nick Roach and Hunter Hillenmeyer are NOT the answer)

omg an intelligent bears fan, after being on the Bears board i never thought i would find one.

i think really RG/RT, WR, FS are all about the same need and that it all depends on who is still on the board. i think Anderson just needs better coaching and that Ogun still has a year left in him. and word is that Beekman will move over and play center when Kretuz retires. as for LB, idk we drafted Okwo and Jamar Williams only to let them ride the bench

[PuppyPuncher]

Okwo got cut.

[utterlescow]

Okwo got cut.

yep, even though they kept raving about him his rookie year about how fast he was. Hunter was developing into a servicable LBer until he got cut, and Roach was just sorta there.

[wraith36444]

I am redoing the Dolphins needs after seeing the entire season:

O-Line: Cannot be classified as a need outside of resigning Carey, as we were playing without our starting guards for a while, Thomas was on IR week 1 and Smiley was on IR in week 12. I think we can hold off a year.

WR: Matt may disagree (shocker, Matt arguing), but the Dolphins desperately need a possession and preferably impact WR. The WR corps is two undrafted WRs and a first round bust...

Nose Tackle: Ferguson was wearing down as the season went on and he is getting up there in years.

Resign Crowder to a decent deal, please?

Resign Bell and Goodman. Bell has proven his mettle all year and Goodman is playing very well as of late, minus today's game. 5 picks on the year is good for sixth in the league, and we say that Millen did not know talent, well he did not but Goodman looks solid.

Cornerback: Goodman may be solid, but Will Allen could use to be upgraded.

Free Safety: Renaldo Hill could stand to be upgraded as well...

I will be honest, I am assuming Porter will be playing near his 2008 form and that the rookie DEs will get some pressure on opposing QBs and will continue to develop.

The pass rush, 40 sacks, yes, needs to be upgraded.

[Max]

Maybe I'm not getting it, but whats the justification behind EVERY mock having the Seahawks selecting Crabtree?

What happened to all the crazy Nate Burleson love that was there at the start of the season? I also heard people singing the praises of Ben Obamanu as well, and Deion Branch started to turn it on towards the end of the season (4+ catches and 50+ yards in 5 of his last 7). I understand Engram is getting older, but since when was Engram Steve Smith? His game is possession between the numbers and Donald Driver is still making a living doing that.

Whilst I accept that there may not be the talent to fill their other holes at the no. 4 slot (i.e. for a Taylor Mays etc), and I also realise their WR core isn't legendary but there is some talent there and surely trading down or looking elsewhere is a better option?

[BroncosCon]

Maybe I'm not getting it, but whats the justification behind EVERY mock having the Seahawks selecting Crabtree?

What happened to all the crazy Nate Burleson love that was there at the start of the season? I also heard people singing the praises of Ben Obamanu as well, and Deion Branch started to turn it on towards the end of the season (4+ catches and 50+ yards in 5 of his last 7). I understand Engram is getting older, but since when was Engram Steve Smith? His game is possession between the numbers and Donald Driver is still making a living doing that.

Whilst I accept that there may not be the talent to fill their other holes at the no. 4 slot (i.e. for a Taylor Mays etc), and I also realise their WR core isn't legendary but there is some talent there and surely trading down or looking elsewhere is a better option?

I agree with you mostly. But at 4, you have to take the best player that fits any of your needs. Trading down could be done if they find a partner willing to make it worth while, but I don't see that happening.

From Walter's draft:
The Seahawks secondary is a mess. They need help at free safety and corner. Kelly Jennings and Brian Russell have been completely awful and need to be upgraded. That means Taylor Mays is a possibility if they're drafting out of the top five.

With that in mind, I don't think the Seahawks can justify taking a corner or safety at No. 5 with a player of Michael Crabtree's caliber on the board. Bobby Engram turns 36 in January, and who knows if he'll ever be the same after this injury-ridden campaign? Matt Hasselbeck needs a dominant weapon to work with. Crabtree undoubtedly fits that description.

[BroncosCon]

The need for the Broncos at CB is questionable. If they keep Bly, they have decent depth with Williams/Bell/Paymah. I believe they will cut Bly and draft a CB in the early/mid rounds to compete. They really like the Jack Williams kid a lot, which contributed to the Foxworth trade.

Having said that, I guess CB is a need at some level....

[Clarksjags]

as for the seahawks, i got them picking up Chris Wells, assuming he goes.

i dont think they need a receiver so bad that they use a top 5 pick on WR

a few other mocks have them taking a QB, and right now thats the least of their worries, thats just my thoughts and i havent gotten to see them play too much this season, what do you guys think

[USCChiFan]

omg an intelligent bears fan, after being on the Bears board i never thought i would find one.

i think really RG/RT, WR, FS are all about the same need and that it all depends on who is still on the board. i think Anderson just needs better coaching and that Ogun still has a year left in him. and word is that Beekman will move over and play center when Kretuz retires. as for LB, idk we drafted Okwo and Jamar Williams only to let them ride the bench
Thanks :)
Jamar Williams is like Brandon Ayanbadejo, they're strictly Special Teamers.
All of them are big needs, though I think that O-Line is the biggest need.

[DaPacman]

Eh, on a list of needs that the Cowboys need to address, I would put ILB at about last. First and foremost is, as you have stated, a run-stuffing NT. There is nothing like having a formidable force like Casey Hampton or Kris Jenkins in the middle of a 3-4.

Arguably, I feel that the second most pressing need is OL. LT is a major concern, as Flozell's play has dropped off considerably, and the scary thing is that it wasn't all that great to begin with. Granted, he is signed through 2013 or something ridiculous like that, but if he gets any worse, Tony Romo might end up in a mental hospital somewhere from brain damage. LG was a major weakness for us this year, but when Montrae Holland was healthy, he played pretty decently and there was noticeable continuity on the offensive line. As for the right side, Davis and Colombo have it locked up, and Gurode is pretty decent at center.

Based on the value of the pick at the time of the draft, I think SS could interchange with OL as the second most pressing need. Our corners were young this year, but played above and beyond expectations, and I believe that they'll play great next year. Ken Hamlin got a lot of flack for missing those two tackles at the end of the Baltimore game, but he's just a scapegoat, and I think he was one of the better players on the team last year. That being said, Roy Williams might have actually been welcome at SS were he healthy. That's how bad the situation was. Give me a stud like Kam Chancellor or Rashad Johnson at the end of Round 2, and, with the aforementioned players and our pass rush, no one will be able to pass on us.

Fourth for us, I would have to say, would be a backup QB. BJ and Bollinger are just horrific. The former is older than Methuselah and can't throw further than 10 yards, and the latter got cut by the Vikings. 'Nuf said.

Then ILB, even though I think the Cowboys will be fine with Bradie James, who is an absolute stud, and one of the most underrated LBs in the game, and Kevin Burnett, who has some injury problems but played great behind Zach Thomas when given the chance.

TL;DR - NT, OL, SS, QB, ILB

[PuppyPuncher]

The needs are just listed randomly. Not listed from most to least important at all. Cowboys were definitely tough because I knew they needed offensive linemen but a lot of those guys have big contracts, including Flozell Adams.

[DaPacman]

The needs are just listed randomly. Not listed from most to least important at all. Cowboys were definitely tough because I knew they needed offensive linemen but a lot of those guys have big contracts, including Flozell Adams.

Oh. Well, yeah, Jerruh got a bit crazy after last year. Even though I guess it's the fault of the O-Line coach for not developing anybody behind Flozell. At this point, he's really dragging down the team.

[tbod10]

ok, first off, fantastic job on everything

I've been thinking about what the Giants will need this offseason, even though I shouldn't be thinking about it since we're in the middle of a super bowl defense, and have come up with the following:

Backup QB: David Carr will likely get a shot somewhere next year, but this can't be addressed through the draft, they need a free agent solid backup QB that could make a few plays if god forbid Eli ever goes down.

OT: Both sides, I believe Diehl and McKenzie are both around 30 now, so they need a young buck to learn from them. Also, it needs depth as well because they saw how poorly the current backup Boothe did during the Cowboys game.

DE: Only if they move Kiwanuka back to SLB. They'll need some more depth with a young guy in the draft since right now since Renaldo Wynn is ancient to spell Tuck and Osi.

LBs: Need depth at both outside positions. Especially with Danny Clark probably gone after this year, and he wasn't anything great to begin with. If Wilkinson could ever stay healthy, this wouldn't be as big of an issue, but he's a walking injury. I would like to see them address this need in the draft. I know everybody thinks they need a replacement for Pierce eventually, but they have a player Goff who they really, really like and with Jerry Reese's success in the draft I'll trust him.

Safeties: Not starters, because I think Michael Johnson and Kenny Phillips will be a great duo for years to come, but they do need to add some depth at this position. Perhaps a veteran via FA and a late round sleeper.

TE: Now, I'm very hesitant to say this is a need because Boss has proven to be a reliable pass catcher and an even better blocker than I could have hoped for. Darcy Johnson is a young player who provides us with a possible downfield threat next year. But if they want a young guy to come in for some competition, then that's fine too.

Kicker: John Carney has had a magical season, but who knows what they'll do with him in the offseason, or if they win the super bowl he'll possibly retire. I hate Tynes, he's too inconsistent and gets way too much credit for making a kick in the NFC Championship and everybody seems to forget that he missed the previous 3. He's just not good. They need a new kicker.

WR: Need a Kenny Britt-type receiver to replace Plax as the red zone target. Maybe a speed WR to stretch the field, even thought I'd like to see what Manningham can do in the pros after watching him be that deep threat in college for 3 years.

[Fatphil33]

Bengals needs go [in order]:

#1. C [big, mauler]
#2. LT [focus on pass-blocking]
#3. DE [focus on pass-rushing]
#4. LB [SLB or MLB]
#5. RB [Speed, speed, & speed]
#6. CB [Nickel CB, can play slot]
#7. DT [pass-rushing, penetrating type]
#8. FB [solid blocker]
#9. P [Larson sucks]

[JetsMuncher]

Regarding Miami's needs:
Even though I'm new here, does anyone else see that Center is also a top priority?
Miami will continue to have zero downhill running game against Wilkford and Jenkins unless they trade Satele to a more pass oriented offense and sign Jason Brown in FA or draft Alex Mack or Jonathan Luiggs.
They cant become this "smash mouth" offense w/o doing this, and it forces them out of game plan for at least 25% of their games.

Receiver's aren't an enormous need right now, just depth. Are you forgetting that their passing game was pretty good this year despite missing 2 starting guards and Camarillo for half of the year.
Who cares if 2 of them were rookie FA's?! That doesn't determine how well they play. You might as well say that Tom Brady is a mediocre QB since he was only a 6th rounder. Bess being a FA only means more $ for Miami to spend on other players. Besides, they're all extremely young and will only improve next year.
A tall redzone threat would be great though (maybe Miles Austin from Dallas or Aaron Kelly in round 4 or 5).

[Matt McGuire]

they drafted Satele in the 2nd round in 2007 and he has been a stud since then, so no.

They already are a smashmouth/gimmick offense...what else are they?

Welcome to the forums! But I would say if Miami doesn't address their defense early and often, they are destined to not be as competitive. Their defense overachieved greatly this year.

[PuppyPuncher]

They need a big bodied receiver. All their receivers are small and they don't match up well at all with Chad Pennington's skill set.

[klunker18]

They need a big bodied receiver. All their receivers are small and they don't match up well at all with Chad Pennington's skill set.

aka someone to draw attention away from Anthony Fasano in the Redzone.

[JetsMuncher]

they drafted Satele in the 2nd round in 2007 and he has been a stud since then, so no.

They already are a smashmouth/gimmick offense...what else are they?

Welcome to the forums! But I would say if Miami doesn't address their defense early and often, they are destined to not be as competitive. Their defense overachieved greatly this year.

Satele was a stud last year under Cameron. He can still be a stud for a pass oriented team. Parcels wants to be a power rushing team, right?

Well... here are the numbers:
(Excluding the inflated wild cat numbers as defenses are more prepared for it as we saw at the end of the year)
For the season Miami has rushed up the middle approximately 101 times for 308 yards for a 3.07 YPC....with longs of 18,14,11,10.

Against the AFC East it worsens to 28 carries for 78 yards at 2.8 YPC.

They played 7 games against teams that were 22 or worse against the run and managed only 183 yards up the gut at 3.3 YPC.

Does that fall into a "smash mouth" power running game category? Have to be devils advocate here and still say center is a priority if this offense wants to get to the next level.

[wraith36444]

Regarding Miami's needs:
Even though I'm new here, does anyone else see that Center is also a top priority?
Miami will continue to have zero downhill running game against Wilkford and Jenkins unless they trade Satele to a more pass oriented offense and sign Jason Brown in FA or draft Alex Mack or Jonathan Luiggs.
They cant become this "smash mouth" offense w/o doing this, and it forces them out of game plan for at least 25% of their games.

Receiver's aren't an enormous need right now, just depth. Are you forgetting that their passing game was pretty good this year despite missing 2 starting guards and Camarillo for half of the year.
Who cares if 2 of them were rookie FA's?! That doesn't determine how well they play. You might as well say that Tom Brady is a mediocre QB since he was only a 6th rounder. Bess being a FA only means more $ for Miami to spend on other players. Besides, they're all extremely young and will only improve next year.
A tall redzone threat would be great though (maybe Miles Austin from Dallas or Aaron Kelly in round 4 or 5).

Welcome to the forums, muncher...

I do not know if we were watching the same game last Sunday, but if the Dolphins want to be better than mediocre on offense, they need a WR who is either tall and/or can get jump balls. Neither Camarillo, Ginn, or Bess are tall which is why we signed Ernest "Dropped Passes" Wilford.

Also the other issue that the Dolphins have an you are really ignoring this need is a better pass rush. I went to the MIA@NYJ game and saw the Dolphins get almost no pressure on Favre and Flacco had all day as well, last weekend. A better pass rush also makes the secondary look better.

I agree with Matt, and that is a rarity, regarding Satele as I tend to use the 3 year rule with players, i.e. if a player is not good after his 3rd season then it is time to get a replacement. Satele had one egregious error that I saw (he was burned by Lewis), but the Ravens' D-Line is one of the top three in the NFL and a strong case could be made for it being the best.

[wraith36444]

Also, muncher, if you are an opposing coach, who on the Dolphins, maybe save Porter, are you really gameplanning around?

[JetsMuncher]

Wraith,
I agree completely about Miami's defensive needs as well as a big target wide out which will only help Bess and Ginn improve all the more. I said that they needed a tall red zone target.
I thought it was a given that the Phins need a true #1 corner, a playmaking FS, a massive NT, Porter's future replacement, and a signal called in the middle..... so I was only mentioning that besides these main needs, I felt a center upgrade was equally important on offense. At the end of the year they still ended up with only 28 runs for 78 yards up middle VS the AFC East and in 2 meetings VS Baltimore 5 attempts for 17 yards with 11 of those off 1 play at the end of their first meeting. That's horrible. It's so bad that they stopped doing it and use trickery to help the running game. How do u become a power running team with a 2.7 YPC?
I understand the three year rule, but I doubt he will roid up enough to withstand Wilkford and Jenkins. Jason Brown would gel this line when Smiley and stud Donald Thomas come back next year. Trade Samson for a late 2nd/3rd round pick and use that to grab Carey's replacement at RT. Not resigning Carey would free up money to get Brown. This would greatly improve the O-line w/o really sacrificing cost or a draft pick.
They need a top cover CB like Nnamdi or Dunta to move Allen over and so that they don't have to reach for a CB in round 1, as it's very possible that DJ Moore and Alphonso Smith Will be gone by the Pats... or they could be stuck with a second tier guy in round 2, and we really don't want another #2 CB even though the depth is nice.
Crowded, Bell, and Goodman need to be resigned to help keep this overachieving nucleus in tact. There are a few big, young nose tackles who can be picked up for somewhat cheap so we don't have to use a #1 on Raji or reach for Brace in round 2 who might not be any better than FA's Colin Cole or Gabe Watson. Plus Brace is unproven in a 3-4.
I'll take Miles Austin as a their tall wide out as I doubt Parcels will spend big $ on a received in FA.
This would leave FS, rush OLB, ILB, RT as main draft needs/ and NT,WR,DB if not a reach/ if there is a steal for a TE threat like Beckum in the 4th or RB to replace Ricky Williams (like CJ Spiller if he comes out), then this is possible too. This way in the draft we can hope William Moore, Cushing, Laurinitas, or Maualaga somehow fall to us or take Clint Sintim, Selvie, Duke Robinson, or Alphonso Smith.
Sorry for writing so much. LOL

[JetsMuncher]

Wraith, don't forget we signed sticky-fingers Wilford before Bess and Camarillo came into existence. LOL

[JetsMuncher]

PS: Imagine what kind of damage Miami's O-line would do with:
Long/Smiley/Jason Brown/Donald Thomas/Duke Robinson!!!
Or Long/Smiley/Brown/Duke or Herman Johnson/Thomas

[Vbsiena]

^^^^

Knows a lot about the Fins.

[wraith36444]

Wraith, don't forget we signed sticky-fingers Wilford before Bess and Camarillo came into existence. LOL

Camarillo was on the team from last year, 2007...

[wraith36444]

PS: Imagine what kind of damage Miami's O-line would do with:
Long/Smiley/Jason Brown/Donald Thomas/Duke Robinson!!!
Or Long/Smiley/Brown/Duke or Herman Johnson/Thomas

Carey could be upgraded, but Miami has bigger issues at the moment, like pass rushers, a big WR, and some secondary upgrades.

Their secondary is the king of the following:

It is 3rd and 9...so we will give up 10 yards...

[JetsMuncher]

Camarillo was on the team from last year, 2007...

Yes, but Camarillo didnt emerge until this year. He was not a factor in 07. You're just trying to be difficult on purpose. haha.

[supremeworldemperor]

I'm too lazy to search and see if another Saints fan posted, so here goes:

1. Free Safety (Bullocks and Kaesviharn are reserves at best)
2. Strong Side Linebacker (Shanle is OK, an upgrade would be nice)
3. Running Back (Deuce is a goner)

Cornerback is less of a need than I thought it was. Tracy Porter looked pretty good, and Jason David finished the season with 5 INT's even though he only started six games.

[wraith36444]

Being difficult is what I do best. :D

Anyways, maybe we can covert a TE, looking at James Casey, into a big WR, since TEs tend to be lower round picks than WRs with siilar skill levels. What do you think?

[Antininja]

My thoughts on Rams needs, this of course is speculating they stick with the 4-3.

1. MLB - We need a big nasty body here so we can move Witherspoon back outside to his natural position. His body isn't up to the demands of a MLB
2. C - The center is said to hold the line together, and well we have to start somewhere with the line.
3. SS - Chaveous was a emotional leader but his just has lost too much physically to be a threat on the field.
4. CB - We have maybe one starter on the team in Ron Bartell, the rest would be on a decent teams practice squad.
5. L/ROT - Barron is a false start king and Pace is getting up there in age and wear and tear.
6. RG - See a trend yet? Oline Oline Oline, we need it all. Jacob Bell is the only man on the line with a future beyond a season or two with the team. Incognito and his Jersey mouth need to pack their bags and get the hell out.
7. QB - I feel iffy putting this here, but shell shocked or no Bulger needs to step it up or kiss his pay day goodbye.
8. #2 RB - we need a change of pace back behind Jackson to give him a break here and there
9. FB - This is also on Jackson's wish list, a FB that can actually block
10. WR - Bennet is a bust, Holt has lost what looks like 4 steps from the season prior, and Avery and Burton both need someone to complement them.

[wraith36444]

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Read: Everything

[JetsMuncher]

^^^^

Knows a lot about the Fins.

Wraith, If you feel you need to disrespect me in your replies, then don't get mad when I trash you right now.
Question: How many teams win Super Bowls without a running game...even if they have a strong passing game? Youre a Phins fan so you know the answer. The answer is Dan Marino. How many rings does he have? Cough Cough!! How many teams win Super Bowls with a strong rushing game and a mediocre passing attack? Plenty. Can you win a superbowl w/o a bigtime receiver? Yes. Can you finish 0-16 with Calvin Johnson? Yes.

Youre thinking is completely obtuse. If Miami followed your mentality that a redzone WR is more important than solidifying the center of our O-line, we'd be 1-15 again next year. It doesn't matter s#%@ about what you think we need to address. It only matters what we can address, and what will make us better next year. A guaranteed improvement takes precedence over any of your potential improvements! You're babbling about a WR!!! Are we going to get Roy Williams in FA? NO. Are we guaranteed to get a productive red zone threat in the draft? NO. Do I need to list all the names of big tall WR stars that became busts in the NFL? Miles Austin will become yet another Dallas sloppy seconds to fill this need. You babble about getting a pass rusher. Where is he coming from? Miami's not getting Terrel Suggs! And there's no guarantee that any person we draft will be a force in the league(Vernon Gholston COUGH AGAIN). There is no DB in the draft that will guarantee to improve our coverage or step up to be our #1 CB (you already referenced Allen to that). We will not get Albert Haynesworth and there are only a few big NT's in this draft who again are not guaranteed to produce next year or there after. In FA, 6'4 330 pound Colin Cole is a possible run stuffing NT for fairly cheap. He's my choice and he grew up in South Fla so he'll probably be happy here. It is possible to actually streghten our LBs by getting Dansby, although now that the Cards have won a playoff game I doubt he'll leave. SOOOO please tell me how your moronic ideas will GUARANTEE us to get stronger next year and become a powerhouse, you bafoon!
I'll tell you: B/C of who's available in FA, the only areas we are guaranteed to improve on is: 1. Coverage, if we go after Nnamdi (this is 3 upgrades in 1 allowing Allen to move over to #2 where he might actually shine and merrit his 1st round status; Goodman to #3, and Nnamdi finally becomes our blanket cover guy... plus it frees up our First draft pick (for a pass rusher like Clint Sintim or Connor Barwin) and opens up round 2 for a potential playmaking FS like Rashad Johnson) so that we dont have to reach for a DB.
The second area we CAN GUARANTEE TO IMPROVE next year is our running game by upgrading Center. You dont think this is important? Again, Matt you're right, we werent watching the same game Sunday, b/c in the game that I saw... Miami couldn't run downhill. What was the result? 4 picks! Are you going to say a redzone threat would have solved that?! Jason Brown (barring injury) would cement our running attack. It would be perftect timing too, b/c everyone would be basically playing together as a group for the first time since Thomas missed all year, Smiley half of it, and we'll probably draft someone to replace Carey. This would allow them to gel and become a cohesive unit. You didn't think about that as it's extremely important for an offense. Plus Alex Mack is about as close to a guarantee in the draft as you'll ever get! Youre crazy to think this is not greatly important. Center is second to LT in importance on the line... and you don't win games w/o them. We need a tough, mauling center to run in the AFC East and lucky for us, Brown is available in FA and this year's draft class is the best ever, so you take advantage of this why you can b/c you dont know what next year will bring. (So in your "plan" of center not being a need- you come tell me what you think next year when Miami doenst make it past the Ravens in the playoffs again b/c they followed your advice and still don't have a power running game). If you can take a guaranteed improvement, you take it!

Tell me please... what are our team strenghts, our identity... our bread and butter. We don't have one on offense and the Wildcat doesnt count. We dont quite have one yet on defense either. That's one reason Parcels is here. He has chose, as our strenght (identity), to become a power running team and to build a stout defense. Smiley is here b/c he can run block. Long was chosen over Clady b/c he can run block. Why else would he draft 3 Oline and 3 Dline last year when we had needs all over the field? According to your theory now about filling needs, last year's draft probably pissed you off. But look where all these linemen got us- Division champs. Parcels know's you win by running the football, eating the clock, no turnovers, and a strong D.
You're coming across as not knowing how to run a business or team, b/c the first rule of business is to protect your investments. We invested a lot of money and draft picks to become a power running team (Long and Smiley's big contracts and Long, Murphy, Thomas in the draft). You finish what you start. You don't scatter money and picks around in all different directions- that doesn't build your "core". If Miami doesn't go after Brown or Mack/Unger/Luiggs in the draft, then everything they've done so far to establish a ground game is for nothing.
We're a player away from actually having a "strenght or core" on offense... and you want to hold off on that. That makes no friggin sense. OOH OOH... were almost there... OOPS, Nope, we're going in a different direction. C'MON. SO let me repeat this... Parcels is not an idiot and won't pass up a chance to give us the stongest run blocking line in the NFL.
The best thing about all this, amidst your ignorance, is that picking up Brown won't take up draft picks for any of the other hole's we need to fill, so you're entire argument against this was pretty much senseless.
As for our pass rush, Merling and Langford will only get better, and Roth is starting to show his Iowa promise.. so it's not as glaring a need right now as you think. If you were just joking, then I apologize for being harsh.

[JetsMuncher]

Being difficult is what I do best. :D

Anyways, maybe we can covert a TE, looking at James Casey, into a big WR, since TEs tend to be lower round picks than WRs with siilar skill levels. What do you think?

I was thinking the same with Travis Beckum if he's there in the 4th or to develop Pat White as WR and to also add a dimension to the wild cat.
Aaron Kelly might be there in 4 and is 6'5, hands like Chris Carter, tough as nails and plays smart. He can lay his body limp and tip-toe side line grabs better than anyone I've ever seen. He extends the sidelines an extra yard. LOL. He's an awesome red zone threat and was a 2nd round potential pick last year but will slip this year b/c Clemson's line couldn't block my grandma and her oxygen tank. CJ Spiller is a top 10 talent and will also slip to the 2nd or 3rd and would be the best replacement for Ricky, especially now that we no longer have Parmalee. RB James Davis is also first round talent that we can pick up in the 3rd or 4th. There was a reason Clemson was preseason
TOP 10.

[PuppyPuncher]

Jason Brown couldn't beat Haloti Ngata. There are some NTs out there that just can't be run on.

[wraith36444]

Only reason I used Casey is that I used to go to Rice so I do have a bias...

As to what you said. I know Sunday was a fiasco and most of the line got burned. But in the case of Satele, you have to give the guy one more year in my view, players tend to be near their peak at the end of year 3, which is why. I could see why we could replace Carey, especially since he is a FA.

Nnamdi would be a great asset, but what is Undead Al going to do...?

Oh and linemen are not guaranteed great picks either. See Gallery, Robert. To me it just feels that you are giving up on a few rookies too early. Also, we will have Smiley and Thomas back next year so that may have a positive impact on Satele.

Yes I want a better running game, but the O-Line is very young as 60% of them are either in their second or third year for the 2009-2010 season.

You make good points but I feel that you may be giving up on the rookies a bit too fast.

[wraith36444]

Also, what you said about the pas rush MAY be true. But the fact remains that Roth only had 5 sacks last year and Porter will probably not have 18 sack and more like half that number...

[JetsMuncher]

Only reason I used Casey is that I used to go to Rice so I do have a bias...

As to what you said. I know Sunday was a fiasco and most of the line got burned. But in the case of Satele, you have to give the guy one more year in my view, players tend to be near their peak at the end of year 3, which is why. I could see why we could replace Carey, especially since he is a FA.

Nnamdi would be a great asset, but what is Undead Al going to do...?

Oh and linemen are not guaranteed great picks either. See Gallery, Robert. To me it just feels that you are giving up on a few rookies too early. Also, we will have Smiley and Thomas back next year so that may have a positive impact on Satele.

Yes I want a better running game, but the O-Line is very young as 60% of them are either in their second or third year for the 2009-2010 season.

You make good points but I feel that you may be giving up on the rookies a bit too fast.

Hey Wraith, glad to see we're back to a diplomatic discussion about it. :)
I don't disagree with the 3 year rule, as Roth and Ginn may be great examples of that. However, I don't think the 3 year rule applies to Satele because he was not drafted as a run blocking center in the first place. Dont forget he's from Hawaii's pass crazy offense where he didn't run block. He was 6'2 295 coming out and he seems to be maxed out at 305. I think the 3 year rule applies to someone who has a strenght in college (like Ginn catching balls or Roth's sacks) and we're waiting for that strenght to reappear in the pro's. Satele never had this as a strengh to begin with.
He was drafted b/c he could pass block well and pick up blitzes. I looked for his college scouting report:
"A versatile player, Satele played all three positions on the offensive line over the course of his career at Hawaii. The 6-2, 295-pounder initially lined up at tackle, then switched to left guard for his sophomore and junior seasons before taking over at center in 2006. Satele is by no means massive, which could make some NFL scouts shy away. He could get overpowered by the bigger defensive linemen at the next level if he doesn't add some bulk to his less-than-ideal frame. "
As a whole, he is still a great center, but as a run blocker, he's less than average. He is not nearly a strong enough force in the middle for what Miami is trying to accomplish, and he will not be. I'll tatoo " I love Tom Brady's weenie" on my forehead if he ever becomes a dominant run blocker.
You just don't put a pass blocking center on a run blocking team (or allow one to stay). Example: (hypothetical) if we had Tommie Harris at DT after swithing from a 4-3 to a 3-4, would he be an effective NT for us? Hell no, we'd have to move him to end b/c he'd be a liability at NT. He wouldn't fit with the system even if he is one of the best DT's in the league. We would still have to get a big NT to replace him, right? Now, Satele is by no means Tommie Harris caliber but we basically have Samson as our "NT" of the offense. He's out of place and doesn't fit our offensive scheme. Would you give Tommie Harris a 3 year rule right now to allow him to become a NT? NO, b/c it won't happen. That's why this is more important than finding a redzone threat. You sure up the trenches first, then move outward. Parcels knows this and he will address it. That's why Al Johnson was brought here over a WR when Camarillo went down- to give us another option at center. Satele doens't cost us that much so he'd still be great to keep around b/c of his versatility to step in at guard and tackle.
Yes, guys like Ngata will be tough no matter what, but we dont have to face him every week. lol. That's an ever better reason why we need Brown. At least Brown will hold his own against Ngata from time to time where Satele will be a ragdoll all game.
Football is just like chess. Whoever controls the middle will usually control the game. Why is it so important for us to get a massive NT for our 3-4? ANS: to control the middle of the line. The Jets, Bills, and Pats know this- they spent $84 million to make Jenkins, Wilford, and Stroud a priority (this # will go up to $100 mill as Vince is a FA next year. This same theory applies to offense, too. In chess you start out with your boring pawns (Oline) for protection first before you bring out the offense, and you dont bring out the offense until the protection is secure, or you leave yourself vulnerable for attack. To win in chess, it's more important to counter a move first before you attack, even if it means moving a lowly pawn in front of another pawn when you really want to bring out your queen to eat pieces. The Jets, Pats, and Bills now have dominating tackles, so Miami must counter with a dominant Center or we can forget about the middle of the field. How long do you think the Wildcat will make up for this? It's not a flashy move, but it's a good move. C'mon, the Jets and Bills spend over $30million each to control the middle, can we not spend $20 million to counter that?

[Matt McGuire]

JetsMuncher: No one has time to read that. Can we be a little more practical?

[JetsMuncher]

Also, what you said about the pas rush MAY be true. But the fact remains that Roth only had 5 sacks last year and Porter will probably not have 18 sack and more like half that number...

Totally agreed, but we have enough cap room to make some improvements, and unfortunately we will not be getting Suggs. Damn! I'd rather have Suggs any day over Brown to upgrade defense first. I'm a total defense guy! I prefer watching defense than offense. I really hope we get Connor Barwin in the 2nd to take over for Porter.
So since we have the cap room, why not use it? The 2 people that we are "capable" of getting that will make the biggest impact (who also let us use draft picks on the rest of our needs as we have more needs than draft picks this year LOL) are Brown and Nnamdi. Watch, Parcels will get who he thinks can control the middle of line. He might not want to spend the money on Brown if he thinks that a rookie can be just as good as Brown for half the $, and use the savings else where... but he will address it, even if it means trading our first pick back into round 2 and picking up Mack (assuming that Maualuga, Cushing, Vontae Davis, Laurinitas, William Moore are gone by 26). This draft is deep enough to still get talent with our 4 picks in round's 2-4.

As for a redzone threat, pass rusher, NT, FS... there's no sense crying over spilled milk if these are areas that we are really unable to address, right? I trust Parcels will do a great job in the draft for this. But you still win by running the ball and controlling the clock. More runs means less room for interceptions (cough cough again) 4 vs Baltimore. If we had a running attack, we had enough pressure on Balt to possibly win that game. Sometimes we even have to change game plans to work with what's best available to us. Right now that's Center. Again 2.7 YPC up the middle does not qualify as a running team. That puts us in a LOT of 3rd and longs... or not converting
3rd and short! LOL. That's a lot of pressure and missed opportunities, right?

[JetsMuncher]

Apologies, Matt. I know that it was long, but it was more for Wraith.

[JetsMuncher]

Only reason I used Casey is that I used to go to Rice so I do have a bias...

As to what you said. I know Sunday was a fiasco and most of the line got burned. But in the case of Satele, you have to give the guy one more year in my view, players tend to be near their peak at the end of year 3, which is why. I could see why we could replace Carey, especially since he is a FA.

Nnamdi would be a great asset, but what is Undead Al going to do...?

Oh and linemen are not guaranteed great picks either. See Gallery, Robert. To me it just feels that you are giving up on a few rookies too early. Also, we will have Smiley and Thomas back next year so that may have a positive impact on Satele.

Yes I want a better running game, but the O-Line is very young as 60% of them are either in their second or third year for the 2009-2010 season.

You make good points but I feel that you may be giving up on the rookies a bit too fast.

Sorry Matt, to sum it up for everyone else. The 3 year rule does not apply to Satele as he is and has never been a run blocking center. This was never his strenght. He was a pass blocking center at Hawaii and was drafted as such. He has already satisfied the 3 year rule as a pass blocking center but will never do so as a run blocking center... and Miami's offensive scheme is being built around power running, hence why Long was drafted over Clady and why we paid so much for Smiley. The same reason Tommie Harris would never be a good NT, even though he's an awesome DT is the same reason why Samson will never be a great run blocker. He lacked strenght to sustain blocks in college just as he lacks strength to sustain the running game against bigger DT's in the NFL. He's maxed out at 305 so nothing will change. Send him to Cincy to protect Palmer, or use him as a backup since he can play guard and tackle and he doesnt cost us much. Bottom line, is Parcels is spending a lot of Money and draft picks to make us a power running team. Satele does not fit this scheme and will be replaced next year.

[JetsMuncher]

Wraith, you're right.... having Thomas and Smiley back next year will change things, but I think they would actually have a bigger impact on Carey, as he seemed a little overwhelmed this year in space. But I dont think using them to help baby-sit Satele is very productive. I'd rather get someone who can hold his ground so that Thomas and Smiley can do their own thing. Don't forget Thomas is still in his developmental stage and having a stud Center next to him will only help and speed up his improvement. Let him concentrate on one task.

[JetsMuncher]

Need I remind everyone who sees differently about Miami's need to upgrade Center this year... When you have a lot of needs and you spend a #2 pick and $35 million dollars on Ronnie Brown, you're committing yourself to being a running football team and to building your offense around your RB. You build around your strenght. (If you don't want to do that, you dont draft him)
That being said, your first responsibilities in running a franchise is protecting your investments and maximizing their potential... otherwise you just wasted $35 mill. You dont spend that much on Brown and take away one of his running lanes or subject him to unneeded punishment,injury, or a shorter career. That's stupid. After you build your line up around Ronnie, you now have your core... and if something happens to him, you can still plug another back who fits your needs into the equation. How do you think the Broncos were so successful with all those different backs? They developed a system. That's much bigger than filling any individual need like a redzone threat.

[wraith36444]

For my own knowledge, how much cap space will we have?

He could stand to be upgraded, trading him to Cinci is an option that I have no thought of, but how much would we get in return? If we get a 2 or 3, I could see trading him and maybe using the no. 1 on Mack maybe.

I also need to see what we do in FA before we start doing draft picks though, as some of the needs may be addressed in FA.

Parcells had said that the offseason will spent upgrading the O and D lines, so that could mean something to Satele, Carey, Ferguson, and maybe Holliday, but everyone else there will either be entering their second season (Langford, Merling, Long, Thomas) or was a Parcells long term contract (Smiley).

You are probably right in that the C, RT and maybe the NT positions will be addressed though, the more that I think of it.

[JetsMuncher]

See Wraith... Its not that bad. Its not a move we think of first because its not pretty or exciting and It doesnt make you go OOH and AHH, but its smart.
As for Satele, I think its within reason to trade him to Cincy and swap our 3rd or 4th for their second. We wont take hit and he wont cost them much. Seems like win-win to me. I was told we could apply a lesser tag to Carey and get a pick out of him, but I am not sure how that works. If anyone knows, please tell me.
I would love to squeeze in a high 2nd round to pick up Connor Barwin to replace Roth! Or even Loadholt to replace Carey!
Something tells me Parcels will opt for Mack over Jason Brown and save $10 mill or so. U and I would rather have Brown and our #1 pick, but if it were our money involved we would probably go save the money too. LOL. We might need it for cap room in a few years.
If we could do it this way I would go:
1. Alex Mack
2a. Phil Loadholt
2b. Connor Barwin
2c. CJ Spiller
3. Ron Brace
4. Myron Rolle (I would wait a year to get him)
5. Jasper Brinkley 270 lb ILB from South Carolina- great short yardage and goal line rock
FA get Miles Austin, Colin Cole NT, and Nnamdi
If u find out actually cap room first, will u let me know.
What do u think?

[wraith36444]

Who will replace Ferguson then?

[JetsMuncher]

unless he is already signed, 6'1 330 lb Colin Cole should be OK. He is only 28 and is from South Fla. He would fill our need for now and could possibly blossom here, and I don't think he will cost us much as he is not a starter now. Gabe Watson is similar size from Arizona I think.

[JetsMuncher]

if the Chiefs draft QB from USC and he is sacked up and down the field, can we call him Dirty Sanchez?

[JetsMuncher]

will Solaia make the 3 year rule? LOL.
Who's #1 Utah beat Bama worse than UF did. Food for thought. :)

[wraith36444]

You know some announcer will do that to Mark...

[JetsMuncher]

I can picture it now. Its been raining and he gets trounced in a pile of mud and Madden says "if thats not a dirty Sanchez, I dont know what is!" and I spit my beer out! Then he comes up with the All Dirty Sanchez Team for the years messiest players. :-P

[BroncosCon]

I can picture it now. Its been raining and he gets trounced in a pile of mud and Madden says "if thats not a dirty Sanchez, I dont know what is!" and I spit my beer out! Then he comes up with the All Dirty Sanchez Team for the years messiest players. :-P

rofl

[BroncosCon]

I play poker with a guy named Sanchez, some of the guys call him dirty - I don't. But, it cracks me up...

[JetsMuncher]

What would be even more hilarious is if Madden doesnt even realize what he is saying and we hear Al Michaels start coughing in the background... And Madden says "What? What did I say?" Then Michaels whispers to him, and all of a sudden Madden starts giggling like a little kid who just farted in a crowded elevator...and he says "Oh yeah, I've done that before! It pissed off Strahan, and I couldnt clean my fingers for weeks!" LMFAO
Nice quote by Puppy. Sad part is it makes sense with how much talent they have all over the field! LOL

[JetsMuncher]

I play poker with a guy named Sanchez, some of the guys call him dirty - I don't. But, it cracks me up...

"poker"....."sanchez"- those 2 words in the same sentence crack me up!

I got a good one: How about if the Chiefs also draft TE ,Brad, from Alabama and we can have the Smelley-Sanchez connection...
Or worse, and obviously redundant: Smelley-Dirty Sanchez!!
Or worse than that: the Smelley tight-end dirty Sanchez!!
Why stop there! The Chiefs also draft WR Dakota from FSU and perform a hook-and-ladder and we get the Smelley tight-end dirty Sanchez Fagg combo!! Hahaha hope that doesnt cross the lines.
And if the South Carolina kicker gets involved we can have the utterly, Paris Hilton, disgusting Smelley tight-end dirty Sanchez Succop!! (pronounced suckup). I think u need a straw for that one. That would even disgust the person who let u give them the dirty sanchez in the first place! I can picture Paris now: "Ewww, youre doing what with that straw? What do u think- I am some kind of wh@&e?" Then u give her the "double dirty sanchez" and blow it back out on her. I just made this one up. Wonder if it will stick... The phrase, not the act. LOL
Or we can have the sexual orientation altered- Smelley tight-end dirty Sanchez Fagg Succop. I dont even want to think how that one goes down. Someone ask Strahan.
LMAO again.

[Fatphil33]

Jetsmuncher - The Bengals play in a division with three 3-4 teams... Two of which have top 5 NT's in the game and another one has an absolutely crazy pass-rusher at NT. He doesn't make much sense if his main problem is run-blocking...

[wraith36444]

The Bengals do not exactly run a lot and they might want to consider keeping their QB healthy this year.

[JetsMuncher]

Jetsmuncher - The Bengals play in a division with three 3-4 teams... Two of which have top 5 NT's in the game and another one has an absolutely crazy pass-rusher at NT. He doesn't make much sense if his main problem is run-blocking...

Will Cincy dump Carson Palmer to become a running team? I hope not. Satele isn't a good fit in the East's big DT conference b/c Miami wants to run the ball. Big liability! If Marino came back from the grave and we were a dominant passing team again, then I'd want to keep Samson as pass protection is his strengh. Carson would love him for this, and if it wouldnt cost you a draft pick, why not?

[Fatphil33]

The Bengals do not exactly run a lot and they might want to consider keeping their QB healthy this year.

Marvin's exact quote was "Next year we have to be more commited to running the ball."

I'd rather sign Brown or another potential starter at C via FA, or draft Mack, Unger, Luigs, or Caldwell before I traded for Satele. Plus, no teams are going to trade their 2nd round C who's preforming well.

[JetsMuncher]

damn it. you beat me too it Wraith!

[JetsMuncher]

Marvin's exact quote was "Next year we have to be more commited to running the ball."

I'd rather sign Brown or another potential starter at C via FA, or draft Mack, Unger, Luigs, or Caldwell before I traded for Satele. Plus, no teams are going to trade their 2nd round C who's preforming well.

Are you kidding. I know I wrote a lot before, but if you reread that jumbled mess you'll see Satele is not performing well. He was drafted pre-Parcels as a pass blocking center and is out of place in our run blocking scheme as Tommie Harris would be out of place in a 3-4. Committing more to running the ball is not the same as becoming a running team. Your passing attack will open up the running game for you regardless of Satele.

[JetsMuncher]

Marvin's exact quote was "Next year we have to be more commited to running the ball."

I'd rather sign Brown or another potential starter at C via FA, or draft Mack, Unger, Luigs, or Caldwell before I traded for Satele. Plus, no teams are going to trade their 2nd round C who's preforming well.

I understand where you're coming from, but you have too many needs to take a center in round 1 or 2 and you wont spend that much cap room on a center when you have other issues to worry about. We lived it last year in Miami, remember. LOL. You need to protect Palmer first and foremost, so take Samson and not have to lose a draft pick. You can swap you second for our 3rd or 4th and get him. WIN-WIN.

[Fatphil33]

Are you kidding. I know I wrote a lot before, but if you reread that jumbled mess you'll see Satele is not performing well. He was drafted pre-Parcels as a pass blocking center and is out of place in our run blocking scheme as Tommie Harris would be out of place in a 3-4. Committing more to running the ball is not the same as becoming a running team. Your passing attack will open up the running game for you regardless of Satele.

If he's not preforming well, then why would the Bengals waste trading for him when there are plenty of other options avaliable?

And did our passing attack do our running game any good in 2005? What about 2006? Nope. Our running game, combined with play action, will make our passing game elite again. When we ran the ball well in '05 and '06, our passing game did well.

There's better options that are going to fit us better than Satele. Bad trade idea, on our part.

[Fatphil33]

I understand where you're coming from, but you have too many needs to take a center in round 1 or 2 and you wont spend that much cap room on a center when you have other issues to worry about. We lived it last year in Miami, remember. LOL. You need to protect Palmer first and foremost, so take Samson and not have to lose a draft pick. You can swap you second for our 3rd or 4th and get him. WIN-WIN.

Too many needs? You realize C is our NUMBER ONE need, excluding the first round? We have possibly the worst staring C in the league, heck the last decade. And you're right, we do have a lot of needs. So trading our 2nd is going to help that? You're contradicting yourself.

[JetsMuncher]

Too many needs? You realize C is our NUMBER ONE need, excluding the first round? We have possibly the worst staring C in the league, heck the last decade. And you're right, we do have a lot of needs. So trading our 2nd is going to help that? You're contradicting yourself.

Actually... you're contradicting yourself. LOL. you just said "C is our NUMBER ONE need". So if it's your number one need and you can get a high quality pass protector w/o sacrificing a draft pick, why would you not want to do it. You have a ton of needs and with 7 picks in the draft, you can now use one of those on someone other than a center as you just picked up one in the trade. I'm sure Cincy has more team needs than 7.
Again, I never said Satele is bad. He is not a run blocking center. He is a pass protector, and the reason you have problems on offense is b/c you cant protect Palmer.

[wraith36444]

It is a proven commodity versus a possible/probable bust...

[JetsMuncher]

PS: you wont have any running game or play action pass if you dont protect Palmer to get it all started with. There's a trickle down affect going on here. You can draft Knowshown, but if you can't protect Carson it wont matter....the defense will stuff run and Moreno wont do crap. You'll just injure him and waste his cap room.
Bye the way, Samson would cost you peanuts, and would totally satisfy your need for a while... until youre actually set to take it to the next level. You need as many draft picks as possible especially with how deep the talent level is!

[Fatphil33]

Actually... you're contradicting yourself. LOL. you just said "C is our NUMBER ONE need". So if it's your number one need and you can get a high quality pass protector w/o sacrificing a draft pick, why would you not want to do it. You have a ton of needs and with 7 picks in the draft, you can now use one of those on someone other than a center as you just picked up one in the trade. I'm sure Cincy has more team needs than 7.
Again, I never said Satele is bad. He is not a run blocking center. He is a pass protector, and the reason you have problems on offense is b/c you cant protect Palmer.
Because the main problem is we're sacrificing a high draft pick for someone who doesn't fit with us. First, you're totally wrong. The problem with our offense is that we cannot generate any push. We can't over power anyone except for our two G's who play very well. Our current C is a pass-blocking C and look how he's done for us. Yes, we have seven needs, but we're not built for the future. How many third/fourth round guys are going to come in this year and start versus a second round guy? It's also any easy addressed position via FA.

Also, we play in a division with three 3-4 teams. Explain to me how Satele is going to help against three NT's, all weight over 330 pounds? We first have to beat our division foes to get to the playoffs and Satele is not a step in the right direction in doing so.

[JetsMuncher]

How do you mean Wraith? you can let me know in IM if you need to.

[Fatphil33]

PS: you wont have any running game or play action pass if you dont protect Palmer to get it all started with. There's a trickle down affect going on here. You can draft Knowshown, but if you can't protect Carson it wont matter....the defense will stuff run and Moreno wont do crap. You'll just injure him and waste his cap room.
Bye the way, Samson would cost you peanuts, and would totally satisfy your need for a while... until youre actually set to take it to the next level. You need as many draft picks as possible especially with how deep the talent level is!

Teams wouldn't need to stuff the run. They could beat us with seven men in-the-box if we continue to have a pass-blocking C who struggles in the run.

[JetsMuncher]

Is he a good pass blocking center? that's the question. Satele is a great pass blocking center, and again... if we had Palmer and needed to built around pass protection, i'd never want to get rid of him... not for the 400k or so he's costing us. That's one benefit for you. Lots of extra cap room comes with him. 2. Getting 8 guys out of a 7 guy draft is much better for a team of MANY needs. The 3rd round is loaded with talent and when you have as many needs as Cincy does you can afford to pick up a few steals as you have needs all over the field vs a team who might only have a few needs and has to go with the guy that best fits that need. The 4th round has a ton of talent. You need Oline help. Tackle class is deep. We got our starting stud right guard in 6 and Devon Bess, and our K, Carpenter in FA.
Getting your center and still having 2 3rd round picks opens up a few more doors for you.

[JetsMuncher]

Teams wouldn't need to stuff the run. They could beat us with seven men in-the-box if we continue to have a pass-blocking C who struggles in the run.

Wrong... if you COULD pass block, they wouldnt be able to put 7 in the box b/c Palmer would pick them apart all game down field!!! That would be a dream for you. Allowing Palmer time to throw forces defenses to respect the pass more and opens up your play action, therefore allowing you to run. Now the box wont be stuffed with 7, the defense is off balance and you will run the ball. You cant have your cake and eat it too right now. Thats not practical from an ownership standpoint. B/C of the money and High pick you spent on Palmer, you committed yourself to being a passing team, hence your O-line will be designed for pass protection. If you want to get run blocking Centers and O-line then release Carson Palmer. You will not get Jason Brown b/c he will cost you too much money.

[dr1441]

Is he a good pass blocking center? that's the question. Satele is a great pass blocking center, and again... if we had Palmer and needed to built around pass protection, i'd never want to get rid of him... not for the 400k or so he's costing us. That's one benefit for you. Lots of extra cap room comes with him. 2. Getting 8 guys out of a 7 guy draft is much better for a team of MANY needs. The 3rd round is loaded with talent and when you have as many needs as Cincy does you can afford to pick up a few steals as you have needs all over the field vs a team who might only have a few needs and has to go with the guy that best fits that need. The 4th round has a ton of talent. You need Oline help. Tackle class is deep. We got our starting stud right guard in 6 and Devon Bess, and our K, Carpenter in FA.
Getting your center and still having 2 3rd round picks opens up a few more doors for you.

JetsMuncher FatPhil and I are probably 2 of the most well rounded Bengals fans you will find. There arent much that slip by either of us. You trade just doen not fit into our team needs. We have a pass blocking C right now and in our division he gets killed. I went ahead and did a comparision between your man Samson and our current Center Eric Ghuichec.
Satele, Samson C 6-3 300
Ghiaciuc, Eric C 6-4 302

The guy you are trying to give us is even smaller than the one we have now. EG gets man handled in our division and looks like a high school kid playing against the NT's of our division. So you need to just realize that we are going to go ahead and draft a C in the first 3 rounds since all of the C's in this years draft are bigger than both of the C's we are talking about.

END OF STORY!

[dr1441]

Oh and second of all, you keep saying we have MANY needs like you know the Bengals needs. The Bengals are not that far off from having a very good and contending team. We had 25 people end up on IR. We didnt have our franchise QB and we still finished the 2nd half of the season 4-3-1.

Our defense ended up being a top 12 defense with our offense being last in the league. If that doesnt say alot about our defense then I dont know what else to tell you. Our defense could be close to a top 10 if we actually had Palmer to take them off the field some more. Our D also was in the bottom 10 of the league in time on the field.

So please explain to me what ALL OF OUR MANY needs are that you keep bringing up?

[Fatphil33]

Wrong... if you COULD pass block, they wouldnt be able to put 7 in the box b/c Palmer would pick them apart all game down field!!! That would be a dream for you. Allowing Palmer time to throw forces defenses to respect the pass more and opens up your play action, therefore allowing you to run. Now the box wont be stuffed with 7, the defense is off balance and you will run the ball. You cant have your cake and eat it too right now. Thats not practical from an ownership standpoint. B/C of the money and High pick you spent on Palmer, you committed yourself to being a passing team, hence your O-line will be designed for pass protection. If you want to get run blocking Centers and O-line then release Carson Palmer. You will not get Jason Brown b/c he will cost you too much money.

WRONG again.

Our offensive line is built for pass-protection. That's why Levi Jones, our former LT, is a better run-blocker than pass-blocker. That's why both our G's are over 330 pounds and are built for the run game. That's why our current RT is a terrible pass-blocker, well sucks at running the ball too. Do you get my point? Only one player is built for our passing game and that's our C, who obviously sucks. What's adding a similar C going to help us?

[JetsMuncher]

Oh and second of all, you keep saying we have MANY needs like you know the Bengals needs. The Bengals are not that far off from having a very good and contending team. We had 25 people end up on IR. We didnt have our franchise QB and we still finished the 2nd half of the season 4-3-1.

Our defense ended up being a top 12 defense with our offense being last in the league. If that doesnt say alot about our defense then I dont know what else to tell you. Our defense could be close to a top 10 if we actually had Palmer to take them off the field some more. Our D also was in the bottom 10 of the league in time on the field.

So please explain to me what ALL OF OUR MANY needs are that you keep bringing up?

You need at least 2 guys on the O-line, will probably lose your 2 top WR's, need a RB, and pass rush help to say the least. All of these are huge needs that will be harder to fill after the first 3 rounds. Satele is 305 and inch shorter and is a proven pass protector. Ghiacuic is in his 5th year coming up, so if he's still being man handled then he is not a good "pass protector". Size and strenght have nothing to do with pass protection. Satele is a great pass protector. Caldwell is actually smaller than Satele, fyi.

[JetsMuncher]

Our offensive line is built for pass-protection. That's why Levi Jones, our former LT, is a better run-blocker than pass-blocker. That's why both our G's are over 330 pounds and are built for the run game. That's why our current RT is a terrible pass-blocker, well sucks at running the ball too. Do you get my point? Only one player is built for our passing game and that's our C, who obviously sucks. What's adding a similar C going to help us?[/QUOTE]

No wonder you're drafting 6th. You have a passing QB, but part of a line that's built for running the ball, and a Center who you say is a pass protector. You're all over the place. I said, when you draft a guy like Palmer you commit to being a passing team and and an offensive line built to protecting the pass. I didnt say you're offensive line is built to protect the pass, but that you need to build one to protect the pass and to protect your mega investment.
ALL these centers you're talking about:
You wont take Mack at #6 and wont trade down and pass up on a RT.
You'll lose TJ and Chad, so #38 will have to be on a WR. (bye bye Luigs,and Unger wont be here)
There is a lack of need at RB this year so you will take a steal in round 3. (bye bye Caldwell)
The other centers are all Satele's size or smaller and not his caliber of a pass blocker and are unproven as a pass blocker.
If you take Satele, you can still get your center and go WR, HB in round 3.

[JetsMuncher]

Levi Jones!! Exactly. You spend allll that money on him to be the Carson's blind side protector, not to move him over to RT to run block b/c he's unable to perform his mega million dollar job on the left. This is another reason why Cincy should take Satele, seeing as how they draft poorly, they need as many chances as they can get to do it right!! no offense to you of course.

[JetsMuncher]

Phil... you didn't draft Levi to be a run blocker, you drafted him to try and protect carson...plain and simple.

[Vbsiena]

I'm really not sure if any team would give up a high 2nd round pick for Satele. Let alone most centers in the NFL.

[JetsMuncher]

I agree with u if it meant actually losing a pick, but in this scenario youre actually getting 8 guys next year out of 7 draft picks. If u lose both WR's you'll need it! The draft won't guarantee u a center improvement where as Satele is already a proven pass protector and for Cincy a guarantee is much better right now than a "what if". Satele will protect Palmer. How do u think Pennington had enough time to throw the ball with the huge NT's in the AFC East with a mediocre receiving core? He had a great year and he is no Carson Palmer and did not have TJ or Chad.

[JetsMuncher]

If goes Eugene Monroe- Satele, Carsons pass protection is immediately upgraded, especially if u lose Stacey Andrews too.

[wraith36444]

Lets say for argument sakes, that we give you Satele and our 3rd for your 2...you still get a top 100 player and a proven center, 2 for 1.

[JetsMuncher]

that's still acceptable to me. That equals 4 picks in the first 3 rounds... One of those being a guaranteed quality starter!

[Fatphil33]

You just will not give up huh?

Jones has always been a better run-blocker than pass protecter. However, he was good enough to play LT until his knees crippled. Jake Long is the same way. He'd be a lot better at RT, but he's also good enough to be a LT in this league.

Satele is NOT what we want. Protecting Carson is great, but it's pretty damn hard when you can't run the ball. We can't now and it's just one of the reasons. Taking a C like the one we have now does us nothing against the foes in our division. Give it up. It's not happening. You say you're trading him because he doesn't fit what you are trying to do... Well, guess what, he doesn't fit what we are trying to do!

[JetsMuncher]

there's a difference between Long and Levi. Levi was brought in to protect a passing QB in a passing offense. Hence why u have 2 pro bowl caliber WR's. Long was brought in more b/c he was a better run blocker than anyone else last year even if Clady was a better pass blocking LT and Miami wants to be a power running team. I thought you're center is bad in pass protection, so how do u see a quality pass blocker like Satele being his equal? Our 3 for your 2 favors Cincy.

[JetsMuncher]

U just made a better argument for my deal. LOL. "Jones is a better run blocker than pass protector". Carson needs pass protection, not run blocking...all the more reason for Satele to help pick up the slack. The reason u can't run the ball now is bc you can't block for Palmer well enough to open up the ground game. U have a QB that you should be building your offense around. It has the potential to be one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL... like Indy or NO. You're letting one of the best QB's in the league go to waste b/c you're line has no identity. U want to try and run the ball when u can't even protect your QB...good luck with that.

[wraith36444]

In all fairness, even Cinci does not know what they are doing.

They had 2 elite WRs and an elite QB and a crappy RB. Thus they wanted to be a running team. WTF?

[PuppyPuncher]

In all fairness, even Cinci does not know what they are doing.

They had 2 elite WRs and an elite QB and a crappy RB. Thus they wanted to be a running team. WTF?

Because the running game is what win games.

[JetsMuncher]

there is a difference between being a passing team who can run the ball...and a running team.

[JetsMuncher]

were the 49ers with Montana a running team? Are Manning's Colts a running team? No. They were passing teams who could run. Dump Carson and his $118 mill if Cincy wants to be a running team. LOL
Perspective: If you Cincy fans were given $120 million in cash and you had to keep it in your house, would go about your regular business and keep your doors unlocked...or would you go out immediately and get an awesome alarm system to protect your money before you do anything else so that....I don't know...it doesn't get a blown out knee, a destroyed elbow, or a broken nose.

[wraith36444]

Especially in a division with brutal defenses like Pittsburgh and Baltimore

[JetsMuncher]

Especially in a division with brutal defenses like Pittsburgh and Baltimore

Good point. Looks like Arizona is going to the NFC title game with the last ranked run offense in the NFL.

[wraith36444]

Probably, but it is the Cardinals...

[J Snazzy]

Can Chicago draft a Defensive Coordinator? :(


Bears needs: DE, OG, RT, WR, S (depth).

Yep yep! I think we need help on the right side with G and T. Never been a big Garza fan. I think RT will be one of the big pick up this year with all the money Tait is owed next year ($7,133,333) there is no way we are paying him that much.


No QB for the Bears?

With our luck I say no thanks to a QB, lets just draft a O-line and get another good RB :D


No one can, and I've been a Bears fan since the '90s. But, Neckbeard is throwing picks by not reading the defense. Also, for everyone that thinks that Kyle Orton has no arm strength, he does. He has a cannon for an arm, but ever since his ankle sprain, he won't and kinda can't plant that foot and throw it downfield.

I haven't seen Orton complete many deep balls in my time watching him over the last 3 years.


The Bears needs are in order:
1. RG/RT
2. WR
3. DE (Ogunleye is aging, Anderson has regressed and is a liability against the run)
4. FS (Kevin Payne and Mike Brown as Strong Safeties)
5. Center (Olin Kretuz needs a successor, he's not what he used to be)
6. Strongside Linebacker (Nick Roach and Hunter Hillenmeyer are NOT the answer)

Meh, I still have faith in the D-line. Hopefully Marenelli shapes them up.

Oh and completely agree with Kretuz, not many people ever mention him. This year several moments are seared into my brain with his False Starts (WTV the center version is called, I think it's illegal procedure) and some other plays where he is in the second level but blocking no one.


omg an intelligent bears fan, after being on the Bears board i never thought i would find one.

i think really RG/RT, WR, FS are all about the same need and that it all depends on who is still on the board.

Yesss sir. I don't want to spend a first round pick on WR though. I want Mays if avail (I get to watch like every USC game down here) or a nice OL pick. Lets repair our O-line then worry about the rest.

Ideal Draft for me would be:

1. Mays/O line
2. Hakeem Nicks/O line
3. Bruising RB

Sadly I doubt Mays will be there so I hope for another OT to be taken. Chris Williams should be able to play Left side year as well hopefully.

[Unbiased]

Jacksonville Jaguars

1. OT

Khalif Barnes wants out of Jacksonville and he'll almost certainly get his wish. His backup going into the season was shot multiple times and will never play football again.

2. DT

The front office decided to trade Marcus Stroud and make Rob Meier the starter next to John Henderson. What a stupid decision. Meier is nothing more than a quality backup.

3. C

Brad Meester is injured way too much and has been inconsistent when he's healthy. His backup Dennis Norman is more athletic than Meester, best should only be a backup.

4. CB

Here's a surprise: Drayton Florence didn't improve tremendously from last year. Obviously, we thought he would seeing that players usually play well after you pay them off. *rolls eyes*

5. WR

Reggie Williams will be run out of town, as should Jerry Porter. Dennis Northcutt and Matt Jones will be starters next year. We need a guy who can run routes and catch the football consistently. I don't care if they're 5'9" or 6'5".

6. O-line depth

I don't see any potential starters on the depth chart. Getting someone to groom behind Maurice Williams would be nice.


I'll drink heavily if I go on.

[wraith36444]

My issue with Orton, is that he looked like complete garbage after he got injured (see Edwards, Trent)

[J Snazzy]

My issue with Orton, is that he looked like complete garbage after he got injured (see Edwards, Trent)

Not going to disagree there, but no one looks good in Chicago. Our WR's suck and are play calling is garbage.

I guess try and look at it from a Bears fan perspective, we haven't had a good QB since Jim McMahon. We even tried getting one in the first round and failed. I've simply accepted the fact we won't have a good one, and am willing to settle for a top 15 QB.

My solution to the problem is to build the O-line and get a run game. That not only helps our QB's but our Defense. (captain obvious statements there I know)

[wraith36444]

I am guessing the return of Dick Jauron will not help.

[tylersill]

By far, Brandon Mason, is the best running back you never heard of. I played against him in High School (New Jersey) and he was recruited by virtually every school. He started as a freshman at Pittsburgh (same class as Rashad Jennings)

[pewterkrew]

As far as what the Buccaneers needs are.

WR - The team has Bryant and Clayton who were starters this past season entering free agency, couple that with and injured Joey Galloway not to mention aging player who looked like he gave up along with Ike Hilliard, Maurcie Stovall hasnt developed and Dexter Jackson looks like he is light years away from contributing

QB - Jeff Garcia & Luke McCown are free agents, Brian Griese need not say anything more and a project in Josh Johnson

DT - With both Javon Haye & Ryan Sims being free agents along with the fact Chris Hovan is getting up there in age and the late season collapse along with no interior pass rush makes this just as big of a need as quarterback

CB - Phillip Buchanon is a free agent, Ronde Barer isnt getting any younger and is slipping, Talib showed some flash, and Elbert Mack is replaceable

LB - After the 2009 season the team's starting three linebackers of Brooks, Ruud and June are all free agents, there backups havent shown they are capable starters to this point

S - With Jermaine Phillips & Will Allen being free agents and Tanard Jackson regressing along with the lack of discipline from Sabby the team needs safety as well

RB - Warrick Dunn has age issues and one eyar left on his contract, Carnell Williams has injury issues and is not the same back, Factor in the way Earnest graham contract is structured and his current injuries and the team could use some help there as well

FB - With BJ Askew unable to stay healthy along with his backup coming of injury could use help

OT - Penn & Trueblood while Penn is decent in pass protection needs alot of work in run blocking, Trueblood has regressed over the last few seasons

Bottom line is the team currently needs an overhaul starting from the top working all the way down to the players

[Throwback]

Someone needs to update this.

[PuppyPuncher]

Someone needs to update this.

I usually go through it on Saturdays when I'm alone at work. Is there any particular team that's bugging you?

[Throwback]

Not really. Just thought since the season is over that there are new team needs that people may need.

[Oldskool]

Redskins: CB, G, OLB, DE, LT, G, C, DT, SLB



LT is not a need, as Chris Samuels isn't going anywhere. RT is the needed position with Jansen no longer able to start.

WLB with McIntosh on the roster and recovered from injury is not a needed position at all. SLB is needed, see #3 below.

Need priority is:

1. ROT. Jansen can't pass block and Heyer is strictly backup material.

2. DT/NT. The team needs a big, powerful, penetrating DT to go with Griffin. No DT on the roster fits that bill.

3. (S)OLB. Marcus Washington is on his last legs and there isn't an athletic, outside rushing LB on the roster to replace him.

4. DE. Jason Taylor is no sure bet to want to return or asked to return with a 4+ mil cap figure this year. The other DE's on the rosters are mainly run stoppers.

5. Center. Casey Rabach is the obvious weak link on the interior of the O-line, who constantly is abused by larger DT's and NT's.

6. CB. Shawn Springs cap numbers combined with his age are signaling the end of his tenure in Washington. Smoot is a good 2nd CB while Rogers has hands of stone and should be traded before he becomes a UFA next year. Signing DeAngelo Hall would solve this issue.

7. RG. Randy Thomas will be 33 this year and even though he is still playing at a high level, a replacement needs to be found.

[PuppyPuncher]

LT is not a need, as Chris Samuels isn't going anywhere. RT is the needed position with Jansen no longer able to start.

WLB with McIntosh on the roster and recovered from injury is not a needed position at all. SLB is needed, see #3 below.

Need priority is:

1. ROT. Jansen can't pass block and Heyer is strictly backup material.

2. DT/NT. The team needs a big, powerful, penetrating DT to go with Griffin. No DT on the roster fits that bill.

3. (S)OLB. Marcus Washington is on his last legs and there isn't an athletic, outside rushing LB on the roster to replace him.

4. DE. Jason Taylor is no sure bet to want to return or asked to return with a 4+ mil cap figure this year. The other DE's on the rosters are mainly run stoppers.

5. Center. Casey Rabach is the obvious weak link on the interior of the O-line, who constantly is abused by larger DT's and NT's.

6. CB. Shawn Springs cap numbers combined with his age are signaling the end of his tenure in Washington. Smoot is a good 2nd CB while Rogers has hands of stone and should be traded before he becomes a UFA next year. Signing DeAngelo Hall would solve this issue.

7. RG. Randy Thomas will be 33 this year and even though he is still playing at a high level, a replacement needs to be found.

I'll agree that I shouldn't have OLB in there, since I already have SLB and it's obvious that Marucs Washington is a salary cap casualty. And I do consider LT a need, because all of last draft season I heard that the Redskins would take a LT if Clady or Chris Williams fell to their spot.

[Oldskool]

And I do consider LT a need, because all of last draft season I heard that the Redskins would take a LT if Clady or Chris Williams fell to their spot.

I respectfully disagree. Skins were not looking for OT help last year with Chris Samuels still playing at a high level, in spite of being on the team since 2000. Offensive receiving weapons were the #1 priority in the draft last year.

Any tackle that they take, be it if they played LOT such as Eben Britton or ROT like Loadholt in college would not get the assignment to protect Jason Campbell's blindside, but would be converted to a ROT.

[studbucket]

Denver

1) DT/NT - Regardless of whether it's a 4-3 or 3-4, Denver is very weak up the middle, and it starts here.

2) Safety - Free or strong, Denver needs another leader like Steve Atwater, Dennis Smith, Billy Johnson, Goose Gonsoulin, or Tyrone Braxton.

3) MLB/ILB - Continuing the theme of 'up the middle', Denver really needs a field general who plays with passion. Al Wilson really brought some fire and attitude to the defense, and it's sorely missed.

4) DE - Elvis Dumervil is an above average player, but he needs help around him to get things done. If Denver runs a 3-4, consider this the OLB slot.

5) CB - Champ and Bly are both 31. Dre is simply average now, and Champs' legs are so torn up from the hamstring, groin, and hip problems, that he will never regain that explosiveness, flexibility, or range of motion that made him so good just 2 years ago. D-Will is gone, Foxworth has been traded, Jack Williams needs to step up, Josh Bell is so-so, and Karl Paymah = Pass interference. This unit can get by, but it needs some young help.

6) C - Casey Wiegmann played fantastic last season, but this year will be his 14th in the league, Nalen is a free-agent and will probably retire, and Lichtensteiger hasn't showed anything yet.

7) RB - Despite all the injuries, Denver has 3-4 talented backs it could use, and odds are they won't all get injured this time. However, a downhill runner like Shonn Greene could really help out both the Broncos offense and defense.

8) QB - Yes, Jay Cutler is good. But I don't feel like Darrell Hackney and Patrick Ramsey should be our backup QBs, find someone to compete with Hackney, and get Ramsey out of town.

[trisoman]

I largely agree with the needs for the Texans, just that I'd switch the order a little bit: LE, S (more FS than SS for now I think), DT, OLB, CB, RG, RB.

[PuppyPuncher]

Don't worry, these rankings aren't in order of importance.

[TroyP43]

The Steelers need all the help they can get across the OL for sure. Here are my favorites:

C- Eric Wood, Louisville
G- Tyronne Green, Auburn
OTs- Garrett Reynolds, North Carolina and Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State

If I had to mock:

1. DE Tyson Jackson,LSU
2. C/G Eric Wood, Louisville
3. DE Fili Moala, USC
4. CB Coyes Francies, San Jose State
5. OT Garrett Reynolds, North Carolina
6. FB Quinn Johnson, LSU
7a(Mahan trade). OT Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State
7b. WR Sammie Stroughter

[neovenator250]

I dont know if someone else posted for the Saints already so here goes:
The Saints need safeties so bad that they're rumored to be after Darren Sharper. Linebacker is also definitely a need (though I'm 90% sure Vilma will be re-signed during free agency). The Saints also should come up with someone to replace McKenzie at CB (already near age of regression + 2 ACL tears). Of course they need to re-sign Vilma, Evans, Moore, Stinchcomb, and Roby (KR).
So needs are* : FS, OLB, SS, CB

*not neccesarily in that order

[DaPacman]

Harper is a pretty good SS. He was just forced to play FS this year, which is a position that he does not excel in. I think if they trade down and pick up Delmas and a good OLB to replace Shanle (McRath?) they'll have a good defense. They have all of the pieces, now they just need to mesh together.

[Cicero]

I didn't notice this till now, but PP Brian Russel plays FS not SS.

[studbucket]

What ever happened to PuppyPuncher and bills_red? I haven't seen them in a week or 2.

I ask because PP started this thread.

[PuppyPuncher]

PP is on vacation in Hawaii.

[azchargersfan21]

^Lucky bastard

[paper_bag]

The Saints need a FS, not a strong safety. RT is a need unless we re-sign Jon Stinchcomb.

[kennytoes5]

Titans: WR (Irrelevant), QB, MLB, #2 Corner, NT (?), C, WLB



Why do they need a QB?

[phenomenal_waffles]

Why do they need a QB?

because vince young sucks and kerry collins sucks and is old.

[kennytoes5]

because vince young sucks and kerry collins sucks and is old.


please tell me how Vince Young sucks. Rookie season went 8-8. 2nd year went 10-6. Took his team to the playoff both years. Yea he sucks. And now you're going to come at me with some stats. Go ahead he won games.

And Kerry Collins sucks? Went 12-3 as a starter. Also took him team to the playoffs. Yea hes old but he can still play.

[Clarksjags]

vince young threw a pass to derick harvey... it was straight on i watched it

[...]

please tell me how Vince Young sucks. Rookie season went 8-8. 2nd year went 10-6. Took his team to the playoff both years. Yea he sucks. And now you're going to come at me with some stats. Go ahead he won games.

And Kerry Collins sucks? Went 12-3 as a starter. Also took him team to the playoffs. Yea hes old but he can still play.

No, the TITANS went 8-8 & 10-6. Vince Young himself didn't.

Watch the games. He wasn't playing very well when he played, and now he's being a big baby and his confidence is shot, so he'll probably never get very good.

[phenomenal_waffles]

please tell me how Vince Young sucks. Rookie season went 8-8. 2nd year went 10-6. Took his team to the playoff both years. Yea he sucks. And now you're going to come at me with some stats. Go ahead he won games.

And Kerry Collins sucks? Went 12-3 as a starter. Also took him team to the playoffs. Yea hes old but he can still play.

Yeah, cause winning games means everything. In fact, according to your logic, Kerry Collins is the best QB in the NFL, without question.

Apparently a QB's skill is determined by his wins. Tom Brady's the worst QB in the league, he didn't win any games last season!

[Trueorangeblue]

BDawk signing makes Malcolm Jenkins a very likely pick for Denver at #12. The only real question on him is if he is a CB or a FS. Well Champ will have a whooping 17MM cap hit next year (assuming there is one) and a salary of 12.5MM. Bringing in Jenkins would give Denver a year to figure out his best position and what could be better than having him groomed under Champ and Dawkins?

[BroncosCon]

BDawk signing makes Malcolm Jenkins a very likely pick for Denver at #12. The only real question on him is if he is a CB or a FS. Well Champ will have a whooping 17MM cap hit next year (assuming there is one) and a salary of 12.5MM. Bringing in Jenkins would give Denver a year to figure out his best position and what could be better than having him groomed under Champ and Dawkins?

I personally would prefer Tyson Jackson and then gamble you will get a S in the 2nd. I they need real 3-4 DE's and Tyson is a beast.

[Finkanator2125]

Lions need: Everything

Yeah I know he should of just said Lions need: A TEAM:D

[Scone21]

The Bucs don't need a Kicker. They have Nugent and Bryant

[Scone21]

They don't need help at TE either. They traded for Winslow

[jacksonvillej28]

The Jaguars need a WR really bad that has to be their #1 goal. with Northcutt and Walker being there 2 best receivers now is just horrible. They can fill the linebacker need later but they NEED A WR!!

[huskyguy]

Eagles needs back up RB, Defensive back depth, and a Center.

[Scott_Malcomson]

49ers need an edge rusher, o-line depth, WR, and a CB in the first 4 rounds

[PuppyPuncher]

49ers need an edge rusher, o-line depth, WR, and a CB in the first 4 rounds

Yeah. I guess it's time to update this. Except, depth? They've really only got a RG and a LT/RT tweener to count on at this point.

[Quite the Vikings Fan]

The Vikings don't have a need at strong-side linebacker. Finding a replacement for Ben Leber is a preference, not something essential. I know he's in his thirties and he's not flashy, but he's a solid starter who can play both the run and pass and is an effective pass-rusher.

Also, tight end is definitely not a need. We re-signed Jim Kleinsasser, who is one of the top blocking tight ends in the league. We have Visanthe Shiancoe too, who we signed as a free agent just two years ago. His seven touchdowns last year speak for themselves. In addition, there is no elite vertical threat at the tight end position like a Vernon Davis or a Dustin Keller. I consider Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew to be a near-elite talent, but with Kleinsasser on the roster, his blocking skills wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

[odendin]

Chiefs: C, G, MLB, OLB, WR, QB (You be the judge), DT, RE,



Probably needs updated.

We have some retarded QB we picked up, along with some old/slow situational rush linebacker with a huge paycheck coming (joy).

Anyway...

DE (one that can rush up or down),
MLB (we don't have one),
RT (you think Dmac is going to be our starting RT?)
C (Rudy played better at G the year before in what few games he played.
NT (we need an upgrade over Tank Tyler)
CB (we need a 3rd or 4th guy after letting Surtain go)
OLB (demorrio? vrabel? I think if we play a lot of hybrid 3-4, Brian Johnson could emerge as a sleeper... but that's all gomer thinkin there...)
WR (Engram wont be along that long and we could groom someone else in case Franklin doenst work out)

Chiefs: DE, MLB, RT, C, NT, CB, OLB, WR

[vikingfan173]

I couldn't agree more the Vikings needs are...

RT, WR, QB, DT, CB

The VIkings for the majority of the season don't really use a FB, they like to go 2 TE's most of the time, our starting RG Herrera isn't flashy but he is a very good Run-Blocker, Te seems set with VS, Keinsasser and Garrett Mills. Our LB needs are none, we might draft a backup but other than natta, DT is only because of the suspenion situation, if Williams are pardoned their is pretty much no need we have adequete depth there, the major needs are a physical WR across from Berrian, A solid starter at RT and CB depth since we have only one CB under contract through 2010(Gordona dnPaymah will be RFA nxt offseason) very other pick is mainly Best Player available

[lion98]

Lions needs in order of importance: 1 MLB, 2 DT, 3 CB OR S, 4 OG/TE/DE,
5 WR/KR, QB THEN LT.

MAYHEW LIT A FIRE UNDER BAKUS BUTT BY THE PURE MENTION OF MOVING HIM TO GUARD AND THE ADDITION OD LOPER AT LG WILL STABILIZE THE LINE

DAUNTE AND LINEHAN WILL PUT IT TOGETHER AGAIN FOR AT LEAST 2 MORE YEARS THUS THE LIONS WILL WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR AND DRAFT A QB AND SIGN JP LOUSMAN AS A BACK UP.

IN A SURPRISE MOVE BY MOST SIGN AND THEN DRAFT CURRY WITH THE FIRST PICK IN THE O9 DRAFT

PICK 20 Hood, Evander DT 6'3" 300 Missouri

PICK 33 Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
Height: 5-11. Weight: 202.

PICK 65 Herman Johnson SR 6-7/382/- LSU

PICK 82 Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State

PICK 174 Johnny Knox, WR/KR Abilene Christian

PICK Height: 6-0. Weight: 185

PICK 192 John Phillips TE, Virginia
Height: 6-5. Weight: 251.

PICK 255 Zach Potter DE, Nebraska
Height: 6-7. Weight: 279

[flaming thumbtack]

titans needs:

what you say
Titans: WR (Irrelevant), QB, MLB, #2 Corner, NT (?), C, WLB

I agree about wide receiver, but it will not be adressed because i think the titans are content with a reciever core of Justin Gage and Nate Washington as starters, Lavelle Hawkins in the slot, and Bo Scaife as a pass catching tight end. That is not a great group, but is good enough to move the chains when needed.

QB: I agree that it is a need, but it is not going to be addressed so lets move on.

MLB: I really do not think that this is as big a need as some other people do, Matt is of the opinion that our current MLB tulloch sucks, I respectfully disagree. in the titans scheme the MLB is just not that important a position, he is only on the field for about 50% of snaps. the other reason is that the titans do not use a traditional middle linebacker, if you look at our current starters thay are:

keith bulluck :6-3 235
david thorton:6-2 225
stephen tulloch 5-11 235

that's 3 outside linebackers. (aside: This is why we will not draft Lauranitis unless the titans think he can play weak side linebacker and take over for Bulluck in 2 years) the Titans will take an OLB before they take a MLB.

#2 corner: agree, this is probably the biggest need on the team. Finnegan is a stud, but Opposite him is Nick Harper, who is 34 and cannot stay healthy. He is also a free agent at the end of next season, so spending a 1st day pick on the position is very likely to happen. I think Tennessee will spend 1-2 picks on this position, as most of our good depth left in free agency.

NT: This is not a great need because of Jason Jones. He will be up to 300 + pounds by the start of this off season, and the organization is very high on him. He, Tony Brown, Kyle Vickerson, and Jovan Haye will provide a solid interior rotation that will provide for all our run stuffing needs. I would argue that DE is a bigger need than DT, more on that later

Center: Not a need at all. Even though Kevin Mawae is old as dirt, he still gets his job done. In 2005 the titans spent a 4th round pick on Leroy Harris, and he has already been dubbed the heir apparent to the starting center position when Mawae decides to throw in the towel. weather I like him or not (I personally am not a large fan), the organization does, and I would be shocked if the position is addressed this off season with higher than a 5th round pick for depth.

WLB: This is sort of a need and sort of not, Keith bullock is one of our best defensive players and the unquestioned leader of the entire defensive unit, but he is getting older and will be a free agent soon. I kind of envision something like what happened to the ravens with Ray Lewis happening to the titans when Bulluck is a free agent. Linebacker depth is always a need, but not a pressing one.

now lets look as some you have not listed that I feel are needs:

1. DE: KVB is a stud and Kearse is a very good pass rusher at RDE, he is able to use his speed to take advantage of slower right tackles. Kearse is also 32 and will probably lose a step sometime in the next 2 years, he is also a free agent at the end of next season. KVB is also a free agent, so more talent is needed. the titans spent a 4th round last year on William Hayes, and they are high on him, but they will need to add more talent to the position sooner rather than later.

RB: I know you will bash me for this one, but hear me out. our current roster at running back consists of Chris Johnson, Lendale White, Chris Henry, and Rafael Little. CJ is a stud, Henry is a bust, we can all agree on that. LW will be an UFA at the end of this season, and someone will probably offer him more than the titans will (we are really tight fisted in FA). that leaves Little, who was a un-drafted free agent out of kentucky who missed all of his Rookie year with a torn ACL. given how much the titans carry the ball, they need 2 good backs, so a mid to late round pick is not out of the question, in spite of how much we have invested in the position recently.

[flaming thumbtack]

sorry for the length, did not realize it was that long, guess I just had a lot to say.

[Adam C]

This site posts a list of all the players each NFL team has shown interest in:
http://www.newerascouting.com/nfl-team-interest/
I hate to boost one site on another but this is the only place I found this info all packed up into one page. Still Walterfootball is king.

[SAMSTEELE]

Ravens Needs:

CB - Foxworth (FA signing) is a nickel in a top defense, Rolle isn't starter quality anymore
MLB - Bart Scott replacement needed
WR - Mason is getting older and injury prone
OT - depth after Ogden's gone
DE - need depth at the 5 technique position, Pryce is getting old too

[PuppyPuncher]

Ravens Needs:

CB - Foxworth (FA signing) is a nickel in a top defense, Rolle isn't starter quality anymore Foxworth is being paid to start.
MLB - Bart Scott replacement needed His name is Tavares Gooden
WR - Mason is getting older and injury prone
OT - depth after Ogden's gone His name is Jared Gaither
DE - need depth at the 5 technique position, Pryce is getting old too

wut?

[EraserGirl25]

The Jaguars draft needs are:

WR - Might be the worst in the league
DT - Got to push last year and only average vs. the run.
OT - Signed Tra Thomas, but need long-term and depth
QB - David sucks
CB - Need another corner...especially if Brian Williams moves back to SS
SS - see CB
OG - Getting players back from injury, but need depth
TE - After Marcedes we have no one
RB - Mo-Jo and G-Jones will be nice, but we will need 1 more

Here is a good article on the Jaguars draft preview.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/154619-2009-jacksonville-jaguars-draft-preview

[CVal]

Sorry, Charlie. I've got to stop you on the Bucs. I can go along with WR as a need, but only if a true game changer is available at 19. Bucs have decided to go with Leftwich this year at QB. DT or 3 Technique NT is no longer required since the defense is no longer playing the tAMPA2. Big runstoppers are what the new guy wants at DT. They already brought in another K to compete and finally, you say they need a TE?? They traded pick #2 for Kellen Winslow (plus a pick next year), and resigned Smith and Stevens. Biggest need is a stalwart LDE that can stop the run and rush the QB. A "Reggie Smith" type guy would be great. (Not @ #19). WR, CB, and WLB are the rest of their needs this year.

[CVal]

Lions are making the solid decision to take Stafford at #1 and probably Beatty at #2. If they are high on Britton or Meredith, they might risk taking a DT or MLB, or possibly an offensive playmaker like Pettigrew or Harvin with #20 and then wait til the 1st pick of the 2d rd to grab a LT.(ne of the 3) After that, it's LB, DT, DE, CB, depening on that 2d pick.

[jrfspike]

Wr, *lg*, Lt, Rb, Qb, Ss, Cb, Olb

[Finnegans Wake]

Steelers: LT, RT, G, C, 5-technique, CB

The Steelers won the Super Bowl in spite of a porous OL, but the front office seems to be content with re-signing OG Chris Kemoeatu, OT Trai Essex, and OT Max Starks (franchise tag) -- at least as stopgaps. Starks isn't a franchise LT, but the team is looking to convert the tag into a long-term deal. Either way, the team does not feel the obligation to reach for a LT early on, and may do as they did last year, taking a lower round tackle with injury issues (Hills). If they can find a late round developmental guy, they can use higher picks for what are deemed more pressing needs.

At RT, Willie Colon is a short, and short-armed, feisty fireplug RT who commits stupid errors and looks more like an out of place OG. The coaches show no interest in bumping him inside, however, even with IOL utility backup Darnell Stapleton wearind down as the year progressed, and Chris Kemoeatu not exactly the swiftest at picking up blitzes.

In short, the FO seems to be concentrating on the IOL early in the draft, and may add a tackle later. C Justin Hartwig gave up too many sacks, but the entire IOL didn't particularly cohere. Still, he was an improvement over SOS Sean Mahan the year before, so many fans don't see the need to draft a C. But Hartwig is in the second of a two-year deal, and he'll be 31 this year, so the FO doesn't see any upside that they might with some players like Kemo and Colon. In a strong year for centers, expect the Steelers to look early at Alex Mack and Eric Wood. (Of the 25 visits I have tabulated, only three carry a grade close to 1.32: Mack, Wood, and CB Alphonso Smith.)

While the OL is young and shoddy (sacks allowed ranked in the bottom 5 last year), the strategy of solidifying the middle might be enough to upgrade them quickly. The DL, conversely, is aging but solid. Unheralded DE Aaron Smith is the best end the Steelers have had in a decade, and when he was lost to injury in 2007, the defense faltered badly. He's 33 and still playing at a high level, but backups are desperately needed. The same is true for massive NT Casey Hampton (will be 32) and DE Brett Keisel (will be 31). Hampton's conditioning and performance have seemed to trail off of late, and Keisel is solid if unspectacular. What this group needs is an infusion of talent to take the reins in a couple of years.

Unfortunately, it's a very weak class of NTs, and the demand for 3-4 ends is very high. The Steelers have shown interest in both positions in Indy interviews and visits, but will need to invest more on the DL than they have over the past decade's worth of picks. Ten years ago, you could find DT/DE tweeners to play the 3-4 end, because they were in relatively low demand. Not so any more. Those guys who came in, like Smith, at round 4, will go much higher now.

Three other positions of need, imminent or otherwise: CB, WR, and ILB. At corner, Bryant McFadden bolted for the Steelers West, and Deshea Townshend will be 34 this year. William Gay looked solid in his appearances last year, but the team needs depth. If they have faith in Gay, they could wait for later rounds; if they think Gay is a package player, they might draft much higher. Of all the visits the Steelers have logged, CB is the most-visited position, and the players are literally from R1 talent to UDFA, so the FO is keeping all options open.

WR Nate Washington went to Tennessee, and the Steelers feel last year's second round pick Limas Sweed may be able to hold onto the damned ball and take over the three spot. Beyond Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, and Limas Sweed is a huge void. Practice squad players like Dallas Baker and Martin Nance seem unready to contribute if a top player would fall to injury. Add the dire need for someone who can return kicks and punts, and a speedy WR slash KR becomes a need that will be addressed. (CBs with return abilities are also given extra value.) There is value in the later rounds.

At ILB, the Steelers have James Farrior signed for several more years, but he's 34. Larry Foote is in a contract year, and may be allowed to test the market. Lawrence Timmons, the 2007 first round pick, has not been able to crack the starting lineup, but looks like a good fit inside, and has shown some nice flashes. The only other ILB is Keyaron Fox, a former R3 pick for the Chiefs, who is a ST demon. Worst case, Foote leaves, Farrior gets nicked or slowed by age, and there's no one to pair with Timmons inside. Last year's late round pick Mike Humpal has been cut after a history of stingers. A late round pick who can be stashed on the practice squad is a possibility.

The Steelers also need depth at both S spots. Ryan Clark has played well at the FS spot, well enough to send big-mouthed Anthony Smith packing, but S Ryan Mundy is a late-rounder we haven't seen much of, and don't know if he could take the reins if needed. Behind the Hair of Fury, Troy Polamalu, is Ty Carter, a steady contributor whom no one will confuse with Troy. A player who can provide depth at both safety spots would be a nice addition.

To flesh this out, here's a possible Steelers mock, based on visits, team needs, and value clusters.

1.32. IOL Eric Wood, Louisville. Wood's been moving up draft boards of late, and the Steelers have shown a lot of interest. Wood could spend a year at guard right away, and slide inside to C in 2010. A smart, feisty player who could be the center the Steelers have lacked since Hartings retired. Wood, Mack and Unger will be long gone by 2.64.

2.64. DE Filia Moala, USC. Moala could be off the boards by 64, and DE Jarron Gilbert of SJSU most certainly will. If he is, there are any number of solid CB or OL options, but Moala has the frame to play 3-4 DE despite being a DT in college. Reportedly, Moala is the fourth higest ranked DL on the Steelers board, and the highest ranked second round value (with Gilbert). He could see time early in 40 fronts used on 3rd down, and take over at DE as needed.

3.96. DB/KR Jairus Byrd, Oregon. Byrd looked like a solid R2 value, but he ran at Indy with a groin pull and hurt his stock, and didn't improve at his recent Pro Day. When healthy, he's a heck of a player, and the Steelers are interested. He can contribute from day one as a package player, and possibly compete as a starter at CB or FS. His cone times, an important metric for CBs, were still excellent despite the injury (4.75, what Vontae Davis ran).

4.132. OG Tyronne Green, Auburn. Green isn't mammoth, but like Ben Grubbs shows some nice nastiness, and could be coached up to start in 2010. He'll need some time, but he's got the hand punch and raw talent.

5.168. OT Andrew Gardner, Georgia Tech. Four-year starter in the SEC who's downgraded on most boards due to a labrum injury his senior year. Could be a potential LT, and Steelers OL coach personally worked him out.

5.169. ILB, Antonio Appleby, Virginia. Nice size and speed for the middle of the 3-4, Appleby was surrounded by good talent and never put up the kind of numbers to get higher consideration. Learning behind the Steelers starters, he could develop into a nice future LB in the middle.

6.205. DB Don Carey, Norfolk St. This is likely wishful thinking. Carey is a smart, agreessive CB who can play some safety, and would be the kind of utility DB the Steelers love. Unfortunately, he's been getting a lot of attention from other teams, too, and the player once accepted to Yale will be seen as worth taking earlier than R6. If most value boards are correct and teams will wait for someone from such a small program, Carey's a guy worth developing.

7.226. FB Frank Summers, UNLV. RB coach Kirby Wilson is reportedly enamored of Summers after drilling him at Pro Day. Summers could add a more physical presence to the lead block than current FB Carey Davis, and can run and catch better, too. Would not be surprised at all if the Steelers call Summers's name, possibly a round earlier.

7.241. DT Vaughn Martin, Western Ontario. A deep sleeper for most fans, but scouts love this kid's numbers. Could go much higher based on upside, possibly R5 or even 4. If teams aren't in a gambling mood, Martin could be the kind of NT prospect that the Steelers would love to have. Coach Mitchell would be able to teach Martin the technique to go with his size and strength, and Martin could displace one or both of Chris Hoke (age) or Scott Paxson (size) as Hmapton's depth.

[E.K.]

OLB/DE for the Packers

WR for the Jags

[PuppyPuncher]

But I don't feel like updating this.

[Qbblair16]

What do you guys think the Niners will do? I think they should try to get Sanchez but that might not be possible as he's shooting up the boards, I like Maybin and Brown but I think Maybin would be a better pick because he seems to have more upside. I really think the Niners need to get a QB either through a trade or the draft what do you guys think?

[JCK416]

I believe Freeman will be available at 10 so they will have to move up for Sanchez or Stafford.

[Matthew]

The Falcons better not draft Pettigrew, he is a good player but the positional value is horrible for a 1st round pick. Tight ends are deep in this draft. My money pick for the Falcons is Peria Jerry

[Anon]

So you just listed half the positions on every team. Really narrows it down. I do like that you have NT listed twice for the Dolphins.

[Drew7477]

Lions need: Everything

Everything but one WR lol. They only need 21 starters as of rt now. :D

[Drew7477]

Cadillac Williams? Warrick Dunn? Earnest Graham has a lot of talent despite what you think. This team's last need is RB.

Bucs needs:

1. Wide receiver: WR most likely to be on this team in 2 years is Antonio Bryant...ouch. The future in free agency for WRs (meaning there is none for us) means a wide receiver must be taken in the first round if a franchise quarterback isn't on the board.

2. Quarterback: Luke McCown sucks. Jeff Garcia is overrated and OLD. Josh Johnson...please. This team needs a signal caller, and I don't see it happening because those teams drafting in the top 10 will draft quarterbacks, leaving us to fend for ourselves and have to stick with Josh Johnson. Still, QB is a huge need.

3. Under tackle: Jovan Haye isn't generating a pass rush, and the 3 technique is the 2nd most important position in the Tampa 2.

4. Cornerback: Phillip Buchanon will be resigned and Aqib Talib is a BALLER, but Ronde Barber is getting old and we aren't sure just how good Elbert Mack is. A nickleback/3rd corner needs to be taken in rounds 3-5.

5. Return specialist: Because Dexter Jackson has been one of the biggest busts of the draft.

6. Kicker: Matt Bryant is terrible in long yardage. Extremely accurate, but a weak leg (Wish list: Jose Martinez, Sam Swank, Louis Sadoka)

Just sit tight Bucs fans because you may be getting Brady Quinn, and he can play too. Wow, reunited with Winslow again? lol is that karma from hell or what?

[yavang192]

if i were the rams, i would take sanchez, bulger is not the guy

[yavang192]

if i were the chiefs, i would take b.j. raji

[yavang192]

if i were the seahawks, i would take crabtree in a heartbeat