McShay's top 50

[IlliniVikeFan23]

1. Andre Smith* OT Alabama 6-4⅞ 341 98
2. Sam Bradford** QB Oklahoma 6-3½ 218 98
3. Vontae Davis* CB Illinois 5-11⅞ 203 98
4. Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State 6-0 195 97
5. Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia 6-2½ 235 97
6. Michael Crabtree** WR Texas Tech 6-2½ 208 96
7. Eben Britton OT Arizona 6-5½ 310 96
8. Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech 6-7 259 96
9. Michael Oher OT Mississippi 6-5 330 95
10. Brian Orakpo DE Texas 6-3½ 255 95
11. Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest 6-1¾ 247 95
12. Chris "Beanie" Wells* RB Ohio State 6-1 235 95
13. Jeremy Maclin** WR Missouri 6-0⅝ 198 94
14. Terrence Cody* DT Alabama 6-4½ 375 94
15. Mark Sanchez* QB USC 6-2½ 225 94
16. Rey Maualuga ILB USC 6-1⅞ 260 94
17. Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State 6-5¼ 303 93
18. Sen'Derrick Marks* DT Auburn 6-0⅞ 289 93
19. James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State 6-2 240 93
20. Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 6-5⅛ 310 93
21. Brian Cushing OLB USC 6-2¾ 253 93
22. Geno Atkins* DT Georgia 6-1¾ 294 92
23. Knowshon Moreno** RB Georgia 5-10⅜ 207 92
24. Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State 6-5⅝ 260 92
25. Greg Hardy* DE Mississippi 6-4⅛ 267 92
26. George Selvie* DE South Florida 6-3⅞ 240 91
27. Percy Harvin** WR Florida 5-10¾ 187 91
28. LeSean McCoy** RB Pittsburgh 5-11 205 91
29. Taylor Mays* S USC 6-3½ 225 91
30. Brandon Spikes* LB Florida 6-3⅛ 240 91
31. Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest 5-8⅜ 192 91
32. C.J. Spiller* RB Clemson 5-11¼ 190 90
33. Josh Freeman* QB Kansas State 6-5½ 238 90
34. Darrius Heyward-Bey* WR Maryland 6-1⅞ 203 90
35. Everette Brown* DE Florida State 6-4¼ 252 90
36. D.J. Moore* CB Vanderbilt 5-10 184 90
37. William Moore S Missouri 6-0⅜ 228 90
38. Ciron Black* OT LSU 6-5 325 90
39. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 6-5 266 90
40. Sean Weatherspoon* OLB Missouri 6-0½ 233 90
41. B.J. Raji DT Boston College 6-1¼ 334 90
42. Alex Mack C Cal 6-3⅞ 310 89
43. Peria Jerry DT Mississippi 6-3 310 89
44. Tyson Jackson DE LSU 6-4¼ 295 89
45. Mark Herzlich* OLB Boston College 6-3¾ 239 89
46. Kenny Britt WR Rutgers 6-4 215 89
47. Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky 5-11¾ 180 88
48. Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas 6-3¾ 310 88
49. Duke Robinson G Oklahoma 6-5½ 335 88
50. Jason Smith OT Baylor 6-4½ 300 88

Wow Eben Britton #7? I knew he was a first round talent but didn't know he would be top 10 worthy. You don't see him in anybodys mock drafts around the internet. I guarentee people starting but him in there though since that is what draftniks do...copy eachother.

Russell Okung finally getting the respect he derserves. He'll start showing up around the internet also.

Overall its a pretty solid list.

[Matt McGuire]

Yeah I was a big Russell Okung fan in the preseason before everyone else, but I do not think he will declare for 2009.

http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4426&highlight=okung

What happened to FILI MOALA? He was the #1 pick in McShay's first 2009 mock? And Chris Wells wasn't even in this guy's first round mock...he's a complete fraud.

[BMC89]

We all know McShay is a joke...

[IlliniVikeFan23]

Yeah I was a big Russell Okung fan in the preseason before everyone else, but I do not think he will declare for 2009.

http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4426&highlight=okung

What happened to FILI MOALA? He was the #1 pick in McShay's first 2009 mock? And Chris Wells wasn't even in this guy's first round mock...he's a complete fraud.

Big fan of Okung. He has looked pretty flawless in every Ok St. game i've seen this year. He could come out with the rookie salary cap that might happen. I read somewhere that up to 80 underclassman might declare this year because of it. He might go a little lower than he would if he were to stay another year but I think he'd make more money.

Having Moala the first overall pick in the first place was just asinine. Some of those picks he had just look pathetic right now.

Matt, can you explain to me why Eugene Monroe has been dropping lately?

[Matt McGuire]

Monroe is dropping because everyone copies each other. I watched UVA vs. Miami a week or two ago and he played great.

Same with Andre Smith. Why is he rising? I see a lot of issues with him in pass protection. Left tackle? Yeah, but he is not an elite talent.

[Blazedestin]

I don't see Eben Britton as a first round talent, and this is from a guy who's seen every home game for Arizona. I had him pegged as a late 3rd, early 4th rounder. He's not that impressive; he's been beaten a lot and he was going to play RT until Ja'Marcus Webb decommitted.

[cutty]

Am I missing something with Terrance Cody? I've only seen him play maybe 3 times, and he just takes up space. Sure, he could definately make a career for himself in the NFL, but in the top 15? I wouldn't even spend a 2nd round draft pick on him.

You watch guys like Wilfork, Kris Jenkins, Jamaal Williams, and Shaun Rodgers - Cody isn't even on the same planet as them

Again though, I haven't seen a whole lot of him. Am I off the mark on this one?

[DraftKidWonder]

Am I missing something with Terrance Cody? I've only seen him play maybe 3 times, and he just takes up space. Sure, he could definately make a career for himself in the NFL, but in the top 15? I wouldn't even spend a 2nd round draft pick on him.

You watch guys like Wilfork, Kris Jenkins, Jamaal Williams, and Shaun Rodgers - Cody isn't even on the same planet as them

Again though, I haven't seen a whole lot of him. Am I off the mark on this one?
I didn't think so either. He is a force but he wears down and can't pursue the ball. Second round, 3-4 guy imo.

[Matt McGuire]

yeah Britton shocked me being on his big board, much less #7. McShay has no clue what he is talking about until he talks to NFL scouts.

[DraftKidWonder]

yeah Britton shocked me being on his big board, much less #7. McShay has no clue what he is talking about until he talks to NFL scouts.
I agree; his big board is pretty off.

[IlliniVikeFan23]

Monroe is dropping because everyone copies each other. I watched UVA vs. Miami a week or two ago and he played great.

Same with Andre Smith. Why is he rising? I see a lot of issues with him in pass protection. Left tackle? Yeah, but he is not an elite talent.

Because Smith is an absolute man. I don't see his pass protection issues. The guys feet are so smooth...Pretty crazy how athletic he is for his size. Not to mention he is an absolute mammoth run blocker. Defintely a more physical run blocker than Oher and Monroe. He owned LSU's d-line. He has risen to my #1 OT.

[PuppyPuncher]

I didn't see him "owning". I don't think he gave up any sacks but I saw get beat to the inside quite a few times. He's just lucky John Parker Wilson gets rid of the ball quickly.

[Matt McGuire]

Because Smith is an absolute man. I don't see his pass protection issues. The guys feet are so smooth...Pretty crazy how athletic he is for his size. Not to mention he is an absolute mammoth run blocker. Defintely a more physical run blocker than Oher and Monroe. He owned LSU's d-line. He has risen to my #1 OT.

He owned LSU's DL? He was going against Kirston Pittman who he outweighed by 75 pounds.

I don't think his athleticism is as great as everyone says it is. I know I am in the minority, but that is because I don't plagiarize others ideas on a whim.

[DraftKidWonder]

Yeah I was a big Russell Okung fan in the preseason before everyone else, but I do not think he will declare for 2009.

http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4426&highlight=okung

What happened to FILI MOALA? He was the #1 pick in McShay's first 2009 mock? And Chris Wells wasn't even in this guy's first round mock...he's a complete fraud.
Lol. You will never let McShay live that down.

Wouldn't it be ironic for you if he still went to the Falcons at some point?

[cutty]

He owned LSU's DL? He was going against Kirston Pittman who he outweighed by 75 pounds.

I don't think his athleticism is as great as everyone says it is. I know I am in the minority, but that is because I don't plagiarize others ideas on a whim.

He dominates in college, but he doesn't exactly make it look easy. He's got quick feet, but it doesn't look very smooth or fluid. I don't know if this is a legitimate criticism, but its something I've noticed

[Joey_Potter]

A few weeks ago when Cody got injured an Alabama coach anonymously said that Cody's backup was better. If your coach says your backup is better than you that tells you something.

1) It tells me that you really aren't that great of a talent.

2) It tells me you are big enough to just lean forward and take up blockers ala Gilbert Brown.

3) It tells me his Draft Stock should be a hell of a lot lower than it is.

That being said Cody showed good technique Saturday but not much else. Then he was put on the bench for some reason. Most likely to get an oxygen mask.

Mid Round Prospect.

[PuppyPuncher]

A few weeks ago when Cody got injured an Alabama coach anonymously said that Cody's backup was better. If your coach says your backup is better than you that tells you something.

1) It tells me that you really aren't that great of a talent.

2) It tells me you are big enough to just lean forward and take up blockers ala Gilbert Brown.

3) It tells me his Draft Stock should be a hell of a lot lower than it is.

That being said Cody showed good technique Saturday but not much else. Then he was put on the bench for some reason. Most likely to get an oxygen mask.

Mid Round Prospect.

I would agree that stamina issues and ballooning weight will hurt his draft stock.

[Joey_Potter]

Smith didnt own anyone I agree but he has good feet and very good recovery. He needs some work on extending his arms consistently. He lets too many opponents get into his body.

[ILikePizza]

Todd McShay looks like a sex offender

[Joey_Potter]

Now that you mention it Pizza he does.

Maybe Al Davis taught him how to harvest virgins. That would account for the goofy smile.

[Blazedestin]

I theorize that McShay has not in fact, gone through puberty. That explains most of his mannerisms.

[IlliniVikeFan23]

Todd McShay looks like a sex offender


Thats freakin hilarious!

[IlliniVikeFan23]

He owned LSU's DL? He was going against Kirston Pittman who he outweighed by 75 pounds.

I don't think his athleticism is as great as everyone says it is. I know I am in the minority, but that is because I don't plagiarize others ideas on a whim.

You were also in the minority about Matt Stafford not being an elite QB. You will come around...I see you already boosted him up from the 2nd round to the 16th pick in the draft.

[Blazedestin]

You were also in the minority about Matt Stafford not being an elite QB. You will come around...I see you already boosted him up from the 2nd round to the 16th pick in the draft.

He's done better in his senior season, admitted. I have him going #18 in my mock draft, which will be up eventually. I had him as a mid 2nd rounder before the season started.

I don't see what's wrong about not jumping on bandwagons. To dig up an old saying, "If everyone jumped off a bridge, does that mean you should too?"

[DraftKidWonder]

You were also in the minority about Matt Stafford not being an elite QB. You will come around...I see you already boosted him up from the 2nd round to the 16th pick in the draft.
I was at the UK-Georgia game and was not impressed at all. Yes he has the arm but he still has trouble using it. 396 passing yards? Please. Most of those were short dump offs to Mohammed Massoqui and to a wide open Knowshon Moreno. His accuracy was terrible given the time he had in the pocket. I see bust written all over him but the package he comes in says #1 overall.

I went to that game to scout the Georgia prospects but I also got so into the game I forgot to scout their defensive players.

[bulldog0123]

Alphonso Smith > Vontae Davis

[Matt McGuire]

I was at the UK-Georgia game and was not impressed at all. Yes he has the arm but he still has trouble using it. 396 passing yards? Please. Most of those were short dump offs to Mohammed Massoqui and to a wide open Knowshon Moreno. His accuracy was terrible given the time he had in the pocket. I see bust written all over him but the package he comes in says #1 overall.

I went to that game to scout the Georgia prospects but I also got so into the game I forgot to scout their defensive players.

Like the game winner off his back foot on the run in the back of the end zone?

Stafford played PHENOMENAL. Period. YOu can't come away from that performance not impressed.

[bulldog0123]

you know whats funny? I have said all year that he is in fact a top 20 pick, not a top 5 pick but he has great potential. He reminds of Jay Cutler.

[bulldog0123]

has any one heard of jared odrick? Hes a jr at penn state and is a monstar at DE. Every time I watch him I think...Aaron Smith

[PuppyPuncher]

I liked one of Pitt's cornebacks. I think his last name was Erin?

[PuppyPuncher]

No, I definitely know who Eric Berry is.

[bulldog0123]

Aaron Berry is their best CB

[bulldog0123]

sorry its Aaron

[PuppyPuncher]

Aaron Berry is their best CB

That's probably who it was. I think he could succeed at safety.

[bulldog0123]

well, i watched the pitt VS rutgers game live and He did have one INT. Although he was burnt 3-6 times in the game

[cutty]

I was at the UK-Georgia game and was not impressed at all. Yes he has the arm but he still has trouble using it. 396 passing yards? Please. Most of those were short dump offs to Mohammed Massoqui and to a wide open Knowshon Moreno. His accuracy was terrible given the time he had in the pocket. I see bust written all over him but the package he comes in says #1 overall.

I went to that game to scout the Georgia prospects but I also got so into the game I forgot to scout their defensive players.

He's not a good prospect because he never puts up big numbers. Then when he does, its all because of the players around him. C'mon fellas

[bulldog0123]

you cant say its only because of the players around him, the QB is the most valuable position without him the team is nothing.

[cutty]

you cant say its only because of the players around him, the QB is the most valuable position without him the team is nothing.

I was actually being sarcastic. My fault, I just re-read my post and realized it could be taken the wrong way.

Any problems with Stafford at this point is just hate (which I'm starting to find is pretty common with draftniks). He's always had the tools, he's gotten better every year, and now he's an NFL quarterback playing with college kids - at 20 years old no less.

[cutty]

Alphonso Smith > Vontae Davis

I agree that its a lot closer than people think. To me, Malcolm Jenkins stands out, but after that, Vontae, Alphonso Smith, and D.J. Moore can all be top 20 picks. I'm dying to see Trevard Lindley from what I read

[bulldog0123]

Alphonso is an amazing tackler

[DraftKidWonder]

Like the game winner off his back foot on the run in the back of the end zone?

Stafford played PHENOMENAL. Period. YOu can't come away from that performance not impressed.
It looked like he was throwing it away but off the back foot lightened it. Who caught it? 6'4 A.J. Green.

[Matt McGuire]

SO? A quarterback can't have playmakers make plays in him? Like Stafford isn't going to have a receiver above 6'1 on his team in the NFL?

I didn't hear you *****ing when Andre Woodson threw touchdown passes to 6'3 Jacob Tamme and 6'3 Steve Johnson.

[DraftKidWonder]

He's not a good prospect because he never puts up big numbers. Then when he does, its all because of the players around him. C'mon fellas
Sorry man. I love his god given ability. I was saying he did short passed that his teamates made long runs after not "he threw a 60 yarder with 3 guys' in his face with no time left in perfectly to the WR for the win" being all the skill players and not Stafford. He missed a lot of downfield throws in the second quarter (his weakest part of the game; cfbs.com) that weren't very difficult that would've broken the game open.

Besides, who doesn't need doubters? Gives you something to work even more hard to prove them wrong.

[DraftKidWonder]

SO? A quarterback can't have playmakers make plays in him? Like Stafford isn't going to have a receiver above 6'1 on his team in the NFL?

I didn't hear you *****ing when Andre Woodson threw touchdown passes to 6'3 Jacob Tamme and 6'3 Steve Johnson.
Woodson wasn't #1 overall pick material. This kid is. Sorry if I expect more out of great players. That's what coaches do and I don't hear you *****ing at them.

[Matt McGuire]

I agree that its a lot closer than people think. To me, Malcolm Jenkins stands out, but after that, Vontae, Alphonso Smith, and D.J. Moore can all be top 20 picks. I'm dying to see Trevard Lindley from what I read

Don't forget Mark Parson, Kevin Barnes, Joe Burnett, or Macho Harris.

This year's corner class is insane. So deep and diverse. I'll be mad if Tampa doesn't draft a corner in rounds 2 or 3.

[DraftKidWonder]

I agree that its a lot closer than people think. To me, Malcolm Jenkins stands out, but after that, Vontae, Alphonso Smith, and D.J. Moore can all be top 20 picks. I'm dying to see Trevard Lindley from what I read
You should watch him. He's a great man to man cover guy. He finds the ball effortlessly.

[Matt McGuire]

Woodson wasn't #1 overall pick material. This kid is. Sorry if I expect more out of great players. That's what coaches do and I don't hear you *****ing at them.

So you think criticizing a player that is throwing to a 6'4 receiver is justified?

What was he supposed to do? Not throw the ball. I don't care how tall the receiver was, Stafford put it to where it was a catchable ball. Green didn't have to go too much out of his way to get it.

[DraftKidWonder]

So you think criticizing a player that is throwing to a 6'4 receiver is justified?

What was he supposed to do? Not throw the ball. I don't care how tall the receiver was, Stafford put it to where it was a catchable ball. Green didn't have to go too much out of his way to get it.
No my point was he was throwing it out of bounds but that's debateable. He did throw a good ball if it was meant for Green. I'm not bashing his talent, I just want the week to week consistency and minor mistakes that he routinly makes fixed.

[cutty]

Sorry man. I love his god given ability. I was saying he did short passed that his teamates made long runs after not "he threw a 60 yarder with 3 guys' in his face with no time left in perfectly to the WR for the win" being all the skill players and not Stafford. He missed a lot of downfield throws in the second quarter (his weakest part of the game; cfbs.com) that weren't very difficult that would've broken the game open.

Besides, who doesn't need doubters? Gives you something to work even more hard to prove them wrong.

Nah man, its not worth arguing with some people

[Joey_Potter]

I can come out unimpressed.

[IlliniVikeFan23]

Don't forget Mark Parson, Kevin Barnes, Joe Burnett, or Macho Harris.

This year's corner class is insane. So deep and diverse. I'll be mad if Tampa doesn't draft a corner in rounds 2 or 3.

Or Captain Munnerlyn, Asher Allen, Mike Mickens, Darius Butler, Domonique Johnson(this years Rodgers Cromartie). Completely stacked. There is like 12 first day talents if most of the underclassman declare.

Another guy that gets very little pub is Londen Fryar, WMU. The guy looked damn good against Illinois last week. Wouldn't be shocked at all if he is a late 2nd-early 3rd round pick.

[BMC89]

My two cents on that Georgia Kentucky game: without Stafford they lose. It should not have been as close as it was, that was thanks to a few nice fumbles by the Georgia receivers, and a poor showing by the run defense; but Stafford came through when it mattered and brought them to a win. I think Stafford is a franchise quarterback.