Tiered Fantasy Football

[studbucket]

I had this idea about 2 years ago, but due to a variety of factors, I've never attempted to get it organized. I mentioned it again here: http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9234 and received some good feedback.

Basically it's a fantasy league modeled after European soccer leagues. Each year, the top 2 teams in a league advance to the next tier, and the bottom 2 teams are demoted.

So if we had 48 teams, that would be 4 leagues. The first year, all 4 leagues would be on the same level. After that year, The top 3 teams from each league become part of Tier 1, the next 3 are Tier 2, etc. After each season, the demoting and promoting takes place. This kind of league attempts to keep the competition good in each league every year, so the worst are with each other, and the best are with each other.

The website we will be using hasn't been decided yet, but I'm definitely leaning toward using National Football Post's fantasy service, which will be unveiled in June (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/fantasy-rookie-preview/).

I'm promoting this on a few message boards to ensure that we get enough people for this to be viable. If you are interested at all, could I ask you to do the following:


Email me at: jtkimbell [ at ] yahoo [ dot ] com
Make the title "Tiered Fantasy"
Put your username and what message board you are from down


I will keep all of the emails in a file, and you should receive league invitations and emails in June or July when I get the leagues set up.

Any questions or interest?

[bleedGreen]

What about nfl.com's? Its free and easy.

[studbucket]

It's a possibility, but Joe Fortenbaugh of NFP got me all excited and I emailed him with some more questions.

If NFP's isn't good, we can switch, but they're promising some new features you can't find from other fantasy providers.

Basically the main point is the tiers, not the provider. We could even manage to use a different provider for each league.

[bleedGreen]

It's a possibility, but Joe Fortenbaugh of NFP got me all excited and I emailed him with some more questions.

If NFP's isn't good, we can switch, but they're promising some new features you can't find from other fantasy providers.

Basically the main point is the tiers, not the provider. We could even manage to use a different provider for each league.

Ahh alright I gotcha. I'm in if its free.

[studbucket]

Ahh alright I gotcha. I'm in if its free.

Awesome, if you are interested, just shoot me an email at the address I mention above. It'll be much easier for me to coordinate it when I have everyone's email address.

[tbod10]

Sent you an email about it. I really like the idea.

[InjuredReserve]

I am in, sounds like a great idea. I will send the email now.

[studbucket]

Bumping this for some post draft traffic views. Heck, invite any friends you have as well.

[InjuredReserve]

I have a friend like me that loves Fantasy. He doesnt post on any message boards but thats all we talk about in the months leading up to the season. If you need people tell me because I will ask him.

[studbucket]

I have a friend like me that loves Fantasy. He doesnt post on any message boards but thats all we talk about in the months leading up to the season. If you need people tell me because I will ask him.

It certainly can't hurt at all. I'd rather have more than enough people early, than not enough too late.

Since he's not on the boards, just have him say he's "Dave from Jersey" or something, so I have a name to call him by on my sheets (you are InjuredReserve from WalterFootball).

[JCK416]

Sounds like it would be fun.

[studbucket]

Sounds like it would be fun.

Glad you think so! Send me an email (see first post) so I can add you to the roster.

[studbucket]

Bumping this because of the renewed interest in the fantasy forum, still looking for more people.

[flaming thumbtack]

are fantasy noobs ok? I have been looking for a league to join, but I don't know anyone off of this forum who plays, and I would rather not join a random league. since this will obviously be a multi-year thing is it a keeper league?

[studbucket]

are fantasy noobs ok? I have been looking for a league to join, but I don't know anyone off of this forum who plays, and I would rather not join a random league. since this will obviously be a multi-year thing is it a keeper league?

Totally OK. That's actually the purpose of this, you should (outside of the first season) always be playing with people of a similar skill level due to the tiers.

It probably won't be a keeper, due to the nature of the tiers, having teams move up and down each season, that would cause some conflicts in terms of multiple teams keeping the same player. Keeper leagues are fun though, if you can find some people who run one, it's worth joining.

[flaming thumbtack]

ok sent you an email, let me know if you got it

[studbucket]

ok sent you an email, let me know if you got it

Yep, got it and responded.

We have one "tier" already filled, and we're on our way to a 2nd. The goal is to get 3-4 tiers. I have other message boards invited as well, but this one is the "moneymaker" so far.

[azchargersfan21]

Yep, got it and responded.

We have one "tier" already filled, and we're on our way to a 2nd. The goal is to get 3-4 tiers. I have other message boards invited as well, but this one is the "moneymaker" so far.

That is cuz we are the cool website

[speedel]

im in need to develop some skill in this fantasy stuff first

[studbucket]

im in need to develop some skill in this fantasy stuff first

Cool, just shoot me an email.

[EssexRam]

This sounds awesome, I'll send you an email

[studbucket]

Weekly bump.

Also, post #1000.

Check out the first post for more details and how to sign up.

[studbucket]

Bumping this again now that I've completed my move to the West Coast and am back on the internet again.

Any suggestions for what fantasy provider to use since NFP is going to charge for their service?

Again, if you are interested, send me an email following the instructions found in the first post.

[chicagojay]

yeh im definatly in providing its free and still room?

[InjuredReserve]

Bumping this again now that I've completed my move to the West Coast and am back on the internet again.

Any suggestions for what fantasy provider to use since NFP is going to charge for their service?

Again, if you are interested, send me an email following the instructions found in the first post.

I sent you my email a while back I was just wondering if you have any idea when the leagues will be drafting.

[studbucket]

I sent you my email a while back I was just wondering if you have any idea when the leagues will be drafting.

In general, I have always drafted around week 4 of the preseason, giving you a week or 2 before the NFL season, but you have had a chance to see teams in the preseason.

I want to get a handful more people so we can have 3-4 full leagues. I hope to get the leagues set up and invites sent out in the next 4-6 weeks.

[studbucket]

yeh im definatly in providing its free and still room?

Yeah, it's free and there is still room. Send me an email following the instructions in the first post.

[chicagojay]

ill send you one in a few hours im jus going out

[chicagojay]

sent you an email now

[studbucket]

Just a request to invite more friends! We have about enough people for 2 full leagues, but I want at least 3. Do you guys have anybody that you think might be interested?

[chicagojay]

I have a question regarding this

will it work as a keeper/dynasty league?

and how will tiers by sorted out for this year?

[InjuredReserve]

How many teams per league?

[studbucket]

I have a question regarding this

will it work as a keeper/dynasty league?

and how will tiers by sorted out for this year?

No, not a keeper/dynasty league. That would be strange and confusing with teams being promoted/demoted.

Imagine there are 3 leagues of 12 teams. After the first year, the top 4 teams from each league will form Tier A, the middle 4 will form Tier B, and Tier C will be comprised of the bottom 4 teams from each league.

From there on out, the bottom 2 teams from Tier A will move down to Tier B, while the top 2 teams from Tier B will move up. Similar movement happens between B and C.

If we have 4 leagues, then there will be 4 tiers. If we have more than that, then we can discuss having multiple leagues per tier.


How many teams per league?

I want 12 teams per league. 10 teams or less allows for stacked teams, 14 teams or more gets a little ridiculous, while 12 teams forces you to dig a little deeper, but not too deep. You'll be strong in a few areas, weak in others.

[studbucket]

If my count is correct, we have 23 people who have sent me emails. I would like 13 more to join. Once I start work (next week) I'm going to try to recruit, but if you guys can invite any friends, that would be appreciated.

[chicagojay]

i mite know a guy whos intrested, ill get back to you

[InjuredReserve]

12 teams is perfect. I agree 10 teams leads to stacked rosters.

[studbucket]

i mite know a guy whos intrested, ill get back to you

Awesome, I hope he is!

[chicagojay]

I like 12

[studbucket]

So we have 2 leagues full and we're working on a third, which is how many I want.

So if you are interested and missed this thread, let me know.

[klunker18]

I like this idea, I'll send an email in a minute.

Also, as a suggestion, the worst league could be on Yahoo because it is terrible and would provide incentive for moving up. :D

[studbucket]

I like this idea, I'll send an email in a minute.

Also, as a suggestion, the worst league could be on Yahoo because it is terrible and would provide incentive for moving up. :D

Haha, awesome.

I would like to use some league software that would allow me to set up all 3 leagues then:

1) Still admin them without having a team in the league (preferred)
2) Hand them off to someone I trust to run that particular league and delete my team, removing me from the league.

I know FleaFlicker will let me do #2 (as of last year). Does NFL, CBS, or ESPN have the #1 functionality?

[klunker18]

I don't think you can do that but I know you can have two managers for one team. So maybe you can start the league, but then add one of the other people to act as team manager but you would get the league manager functions? You would still technically have access to the team you just would have to not use it and only use league manager powers.

[studbucket]

I don't think you can do that but I know you can have two managers for one team. So maybe you can start the league, but then add one of the other people to act as team manager but you would get the league manager functions? You would still technically have access to the team you just would have to not use it and only use league manager powers.

That's a good idea. What providers allow for that?

[chicagojay]

So you're not even going to have a team in this S'Bucket?

[klunker18]

Definitely ESPN, not sure about others. My friends and I used Yahoo the first time we did fantasy but then switched to ESPN and have used that ever since, so that's the only one I know for sure. But I checked CBS and NFL just now and they won't let you do option 1. Also, I'm not entirely sure that if you add someone to the LM's team they won't get LM abilities by default, I jst don't think it would work like that.

[studbucket]

So you're not even going to have a team in this S'Bucket?

No, I will, but I obviously can't be in every single tier, but I still want to be commish of all of the tiers/leagues :)


Definitely ESPN, not sure about others. My friends and I used Yahoo the first time we did fantasy but then switched to ESPN and have used that ever since, so that's the only one I know for sure. But I checked CBS and NFL just now and they won't let you do option 1. Also, I'm not entirely sure that if you add someone to the LM's team they won't get LM abilities by default, I jst don't think it would work like that.

Cool, thanks for the info.

[studbucket]

League invites going out this weekend.

League 1A went out this AM, 1B & 1C coming soon.

We still have room for 1 more person if anyone wants to try to squeeze in. Anyone else will be put as an "alternate" on a waiting list for this season and next.

[theprodigy]

What time is the draft going to be for this thing? I'm assuming this is a 12 man league right?

If the draft time is right then I'll go ahead and join as the last team.

[InjuredReserve]

I signed in today. I am in league 1A. I am Poolhall Junkie.

[mschuhe3]

id like to try and squeeze in as the last person.

[chicagojay]

Im obviously in 1B or 1C, i got the prelimarily invite today,

i must compliment you on your organazation Stud, good job

[flaming thumbtack]

got the email from stud, but no official invite yet, thanks for setting this up!

[studbucket]

What time is the draft going to be for this thing? I'm assuming this is a 12 man league right?

If the draft time is right then I'll go ahead and join as the last team.

Draft is August 30, last week of preseason. Yes, 12 man leagues.

I actually got the last spot filled, but if you want to be an alternate in the leagues (which I'm sure we'll need), send me an email using the instructions in the first post.


I signed in today. I am in league 1A. I am Poolhall Junkie.

Awesome, thanks for being quick about it.


id like to try and squeeze in as the last person.

Got your email, you are in. Invite will be coming in the next day or 2.


Im obviously in 1B or 1C, i got the prelimarily invite today,

i must compliment you on your organazation Stud, good job

Thanks. I have to say, being a leader of student organizations in college is something everyone should do. It's helped me tremendously in many areas of my life, including something as innocuous as organizing this.


got the email from stud, but no official invite yet, thanks for setting this up!

No prob, should be coming soon. 1C might be coming before 1B, I want to get the co-manager thing set up completely for the other 2 leagues, so I'm still commish of them.

[studbucket]

League invites for 1C sent out. Unsure of when 1B invites will be sent.

[flaming thumbtack]

stud: few quick questions (this is my first time doing fantasy, so bear with me)

1) Looked a the scoring and there is a 1/2 point per reception, is that standard?

2) when will we find out the draft order? how long do you expect the draft to last?

3) is there any way that we could look into changing the time? I will have a fraterinity meeting from 8-9 on that day.

[studbucket]

stud: few quick questions (this is my first time doing fantasy, so bear with me)

1) Looked a the scoring and there is a 1/2 point per reception, is that standard?

2) when will we find out the draft order? how long do you expect the draft to last?

3) is there any way that we could look into changing the time? I will have a fraterinity meeting from 8-9 on that day.

1) No, it's not. However, I always thought a PPR league would be fun...it's something I want some good league discussion on possibly. Makes a well-rounded WR or RB more valuable.

2) Yahoo! automatically determines draft order once all teams have joined. I think I can set it, but I figure Yahoo!'s random feature should work fine.

3) We'll have to get feedback on that one. It's gonna be really hard to please everyone. That time works well for all US time zones, without being too late or too early. I might bump it 1 hour earlier, would that help?

[studbucket]

Also, are you '2 Tone Titans'? Trying to map team names to emails.

[thedude808]

I would also like to thank Mr. Bucket for wanting to set this up and following through. I'm in League 1A (The Dudes). To further elaborate on some of the questions above, the draft order will be randomly determined about 30 minutes before the start of the draft.

As for the length of the draft, that depends on a couple of things. How prepared everyone in your league is and how much attention they are paying to the draft. When everyone comes to the draft with a rankings sheet they either made themselves or found from a website or magazine it helps things go quickly. If everyone has already decided who they like with respect to who is available, it moves things along. Decisions still need to be made on when you pick again, whether or not a player is likely to "make it back to you," position scarcity, and position runs, but a simple rankings sheet can make the draft move very swiftly.

With respect to people paying attention, I have been in drafts where people were eating, watching TV, surfing the net, etc. If someone is not paying attention until it is their turn to pick, they will frequently need the majority of if not the full amount of time for their pick. This is usually because they don't know who was drafted since their last pick, and they have to check the list. The players they were targeting may be gone or a run on a position could have started that causes them to need more time to think. Incidentally, people that don't pay attention during the draft usually didn't prepare a rankings sheet.

Don't get me wrong. It's not the end of the world if someone uses most of their time every round, but it does make the draft last longer. And if five or six people in your draft use most of their time every round, it makes the draft go A LOT longer.

Techincally, the draft could take more than four and a half hours, but it won't. It could easily take two to three hours, though, if people aren't prepared. I would also not expect it to be less than an hour to an hour and a half at best.

[flaming thumbtack]

Also, are you '2 Tone Titans'? Trying to map team names to emails.

yep

[chicagojay]

I must be 1b then

[flaming thumbtack]

did you try to break up the people from this site? (i think that is a good idea)

[studbucket]

I must be 1b then

Yep :)


did you try to break up the people from this site? (i think that is a good idea)

Yeah, I did. I just kind of semi-randomly grabbed people and put them in different groups. I got people from a few places for this league:

1) Here
2) Broncos message boards
3) Chargers message board
4) Friends
5) Coworkers
6) Tenyardtorrents

I tried to make sure there was a mix of everyone amongst the leagues. I think there are 3-4 Walterfootball people in each league.

Also, once more people join, I will have a league-wide discussion on the draft time, the playoff rules, and the scoring rules. Everyone can give feedback.

[studbucket]

Also, please contact me if you or your friends want to be in the league. We just had someone drop out, and I am sure we'll have a handful more drop out or not sign up in a timely manner.

Even if I get your email and we don't have a spot immediately, it's very likely you will get someone's spot if they no-show.

[chicagojay]

Which division are you in Stud?

[studbucket]

Which division are you in Stud?

1A. Just put myself in the first league I created.

It'll be fun when we have to split people up to tiers after this season.

[chicagojay]

Yeh for sure, cant wait for it all to start

[klunker18]

Am I in 1b too? I didn't see an email yet.

[studbucket]

Am I in 1b too? I didn't see an email yet.

I think so, but I don't have the spreadsheet at work with me. I don't have the co-manager/commish thing set up in 1B yet, but I might just send out invites tonight so people don't have to wait.

[klunker18]

It's cool if you would rather wait, no big deal I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss the email or something.

Also did you say the draft will be August 30th at 8 p.m. Eastern? I have my important league's (sorry) draft that day, but at 12:30 Eastern. Shouldn't be a problem if it is late like that. Or are the drafts different times for all the leagues?

[studbucket]

It's cool if you would rather wait, no big deal I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss the email or something.

Also did you say the draft will be August 30th at 8 p.m. Eastern? I have my important league's (sorry) draft that day, but at 12:30 Eastern. Shouldn't be a problem if it is late like that. Or are the drafts different times for all the leagues?

Yeah, the draft is tentatively scheduled for 8:00 Eastern (or something close to that), but once everyone gets joined I'll having some discussion on the draft time, scoring, and playoff rules.

[studbucket]

1B invites sent out.

Everyone should have received one by now.

[klunker18]

I hope it isn't too late to mention this but can we make the leagues viewable to everyone in every tier?

[klunker18]

And I signed up for the league. I had a team name planned, but it didn't fit, so I am temporarily named "Something Creative"

[studbucket]

I hope it isn't too late to mention this but can we make the leagues viewable to everyone in every tier?

I looked around, and I have no clue how to do that without making the leagues public to everyone, which I don't want to do.

[tbod10]

got the invite, and signed in.

[ryanwest]

If you still need a person to do this, I'm highly interested. Just let me know.

[studbucket]

If you still need a person to do this, I'm highly interested. Just let me know.

I'm sure something might open up, There are still 6-8 people who haven't joined up yet. Send me an email following the instructions in the first post.

Worst case you'll be 2nd-in-line for next year.

[klunker18]

I looked around, and I have no clue how to do that without making the leagues public to everyone, which I don't want to do.

Could it possible have something to do with the league numbers and password that we used to sign up? Try and test it out, but I agree I'd rather not have it viewable to the public.

[studbucket]

Could it possible have something to do with the league numbers and password that we used to sign up? Try and test it out, but I agree I'd rather not have it viewable to the public.

I'll see if I can figure something out.

Also, we are just waiting on 5 people to join: 3 in 1B, 2 in 1C.

[studbucket]

Only 3 people haven't joined yet. 2 are from work and I just sent them an email, 1 more is EssexRam from here at WF.com, but he hasn't been on the board in 2 months.

If these guys don't join in the next few days, replacements will be found and we'll go ahead with discussion of rules.

Thanks to everyone who has joined so far!

[studbucket]

If you still need a person to do this, I'm highly interested. Just let me know.

Ryan, invite sent to you for last spot in the leagues. EssexRam never joined.

[ryanwest]

I'm in. Let me know of anything else I need to do.

[ryanwest]

Who from WF.com is in 1C?

[ryanwest]

Also, Sunday the 30th I will be traveling back home and wont be home until midnight or so. I can prerank my players, but I hate doing that. I might just have a friend draft for me under my name.

We should do 1 point per reception for the league. It really doesn't make WRs that powerful as people will still take RBs in the top 6-8 picks, or at least they should. TEs become a lot more fantasy relevant this way.

I also like the idea of having divisions within each league. That way you can set the divisions up that way and use the tier system too. For example, Tier A Division 1, would have the top 6 teams, Tier A Division 2 would have teams 7-12 and so on and so forth.

And I'm really not a big fan of the flex position but thats not a big deal to me.

Waivers should also be in reverse order of standings. Makes the league more fair.

[studbucket]

Who from WF.com is in 1C?

Flaming Thumbtack
jfinn19
mschuhe3


Also, Sunday the 30th I will be traveling back home and wont be home until midnight or so. I can prerank my players, but I hate doing that. I might just have a friend draft for me under my name.

We should do 1 point per reception for the league. It really doesn't make WRs that powerful as people will still take RBs in the top 6-8 picks, or at least they should. TEs become a lot more fantasy relevant this way.

I also like the idea of having divisions within each league. That way you can set the divisions up that way and use the tier system too. For example, Tier A Division 1, would have the top 6 teams, Tier A Division 2 would have teams 7-12 and so on and so forth.

And I'm really not a big fan of the flex position but thats not a big deal to me.

Waivers should also be in reverse order of standings. Makes the league more fair.

Thanks for the feedback, that's all good stuff. Now that everyone has joined I'm going to try to have discussion on all of that among the leagues, because I don't have too much of a preference either way.

[studbucket]

I made a few rule changes and I'll be sending more info about that out later. We'll also be voting on a few things.

I also set up divisions in each league:
1A
WalterFootballers
The AFC West
We Bing

1B
Computer Nerds
Walter Footballers
AFC West Fans + 1 Other Dude

1C
Walterfootballers
Potpourri
Torrent Masters

If you are in a division, the title should make sense to you, hopefully.

[klunker18]

Don't you love surveymonkey?

[studbucket]

Don't you love surveymonkey?

I'd never used it before (besides taking surveys on it), but yeah, it's working great!

I've got 21 responses already and a pretty good idea of what the overall responses/plurality will be for everything.

[studbucket]

Should I rename all of the Walter Football divisions to "The Glandor Division" or something more fun like that?

[studbucket]

Also, we might be adding a 4th league....just an FYI.

[InjuredReserve]

I just sent in my survey.

[studbucket]

I just sent in my survey.

Awesome, 24 people have used the survey, so pretty much everything is decided at this point as there are a few options (and the ones I wanted) running away with the categories.

[studbucket]

OK, survey results coming out soon in email.

Also, a guy on another forum got really motivated and tried to recruit enough people for a 4th league. We only need 3 more people, think you guys can get 3 more?

[studbucket]

We've got 12 more people and a 4th league is being created.

The only way this affects any of you is that now only 3 teams from each league go into each tier after this season, making the 3rd place game important.

[InjuredReserve]

Damn, that 3rd place game always eludes me.

[studbucket]

Remember that your draft is tomorrow. Looking forward to the league!

[flaming thumbtack]

now that drafts are done I will go ahead and say this: Leon Washington is going to own this league

looking at the scoring projections he is the 3rd highest projected scorer on my team behind my QB and LT. giving points for return yards and receptions makes him amazing.

[studbucket]

Yeah, Washington will be great.

[flaming thumbtack]

also, what are peoples thoughts on Green Bays D, they have looked phenominal in the preseason against everyone (tons of sacks and ints), and the offense has looked great, which means the other team will most likely be playing catch-up and passing a lot which means more ints and sacks. what are peoples reads on them? (it was them or houston, and I was torn. I decided to go with the upside pick of GB, because 1) I can take houston off of wavers if I change my mind and 2) GB plays much more offensively challenged teams than houston)

[mschuhe3]

The transition to a 3-4 might be a little bit rougher when the season starts.
And I never thought about Houston.....

[flaming thumbtack]

The transition to a 3-4 might be a little bit rougher when the season starts.
And I never thought about Houston.....

walt has them as a sleeper pick, and I kind of agree with it, but they draw a heck of an offensive slate. (colts twice, titans twice, NE, cini, arizona) those are a lot of high powered offenses. I will probably keep green bay for a few weeks and see what happens. you dont have a lot of choices when you wait until round 15 for a D :s. reep what you sow.

[InjuredReserve]

How was everyone's draft?

[studbucket]

OK, we were in same draft...I went RB, RB, RB. Not planning to, but that's what happened.

I feel that I made up for it by getting decent WRs 4/5 next rounds by getting Royal, Evans, VJackson, and Driver. Hopefully Roethlisberger can play well for me at QB, but I'm happy enough with the rest of my team.

[InjuredReserve]

I thought you found some great WR talent in the mid rounds. I loved the Royal pick and liked the other 3 guys you got as well. Vincent Jackson in particular.

[InjuredReserve]

My team

QB - Philip Rivers
RB - Steve Slaton
RB - Darren McFadden (Almost no rbs left needed to get one badly in the 5th)
WR - Calvin Johnson
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Santana Moss
W/R - Lance Moore
TE - John Carlson
D - Minnesota
K - Nate Kaeding

Bench;

Fred Jackson
Derrick Mason
Jamaal Charles
James Davis
Steve Smith (NYG)
Jason Campbell.

[ryanwest]

I had pick #2 and I went with Forte over MJD because I already ahve MJD in 2 or 3 leagues.

QB - Donovan McNabb
RB - Matt Forte
RB - Marion Barber
WR - Marques Colston
WR - Chad Ocho Cinco
WR - Devin Hester
TE - Antonio Gates
W/R - Darren McFadden
K - Robbie Gould
Def - San Diego

Bench:
Carson Palmer
Earnest Graham
Donald Brown
Hakeem Nicks
James Davis
Brian Robiskie

[studbucket]

My team

QB - Philip Rivers
RB - Steve Slaton
RB - Darren McFadden (Almost no rbs left needed to get one badly in the 5th)
WR - Calvin Johnson
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Santana Moss
W/R - Lance Moore
TE - John Carlson
D - Minnesota
K - Nate Kaeding

Bench;

Fred Jackson
Derrick Mason
Jamaal Charles
James Davis
Steve Smith (NYG)
Jason Campbell.

Great WRs + TE. RBs may blow up in your face, but they certainly have upside, and you can always swing a trade if you need to. I guess you have good DEF as well :)

Our league definitely looks to be close.


I had pick #2 and I went with Forte over MJD because I already ahve MJD in 2 or 3 leagues.

QB - Donovan McNabb
RB - Matt Forte
RB - Marion Barber
WR - Marques Colston
WR - Chad Ocho Cinco
WR - Devin Hester
TE - Antonio Gates
W/R - Darren McFadden
K - Robbie Gould
Def - San Diego

Bench:
Carson Palmer
Earnest Graham
Donald Brown
Hakeem Nicks
James Davis
Brian Robiskie

It's nice being able to have McFadden as a flex, but I'm a bit worried about consistency from your team. Forte will show up every week, but Donovan and all 3 of your WRs are notorious for blowing up or forgetting to show up, depending on how they feel each week.

[flaming thumbtack]

I picked 6th

QB: Matt Schuab
RB: Ladanian Tomlinson
RB: Kevin Smith
WR: Reggie Wayne
WR: Antonio Bryant
WR: Kevin Walter
TE: Jason Witten
W/R: Leon Washington (the scoring system favors him so much)
K: John Casey
D/ST: Green Bay

bench:
Ted Ginn Jr.
Matt Hasselbeck
Fred Jackson
Chris Henry
Glen Coffee
Justin Gage

my initial thoughts: love my 3 RBs, the WRs are ok, not great (I have a solid WR1 2 and 3, with 2 upside guys on the bench to fight for the 3rd slot)

QBs are ok, middle of the road again, the one mistake I am still beating myself up over was Takeing Matt Haselbeck over Donald Brown when I forgot he was on the board in round 10.

other: love Witten this year, I think he is going to be the best TE in football, and mid 4th was great value for him, especially with .5 per reception. the D and kicker could both be improoved, I think I will sit on GB for a week or 2 and see how they do. the first team D for GB has looked phenomenal in the preseason. I don't care about kickers...

edit: just looked, and me and west face each other week 1, looks really close.

[InjuredReserve]

Great WRs + TE. RBs may blow up in your face, but they certainly have upside, and you can always swing a trade if you need to. I guess you have good DEF as well

Yea my running back core is thin. If McFadden can produce then I will be fine. Otherwise I will have to trade or hope that either Fred Jackson, James Davis or Jamaal Charles plays incredible. The team has potential.

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Yea my running back core is thin. If McFadden can produce then I will be fine. Otherwise I will have to trade or hope that either Fred Jackson, James Davis or Jamaal Charles plays incredible. The team has potential.

I dont trust anyone on the raiders (maybe Zach Miller, maybe). We don't have any idea what the carry situation will look like or who will start, and don't expect them to make a logical decision either. I like Fred Jackson for the first 3 weeks, then you can take stock of your RB core and make changes.

[InjuredReserve]

I dont trust anyone on the raiders (maybe Zach Miller, maybe). We don't have any idea what the carry situation will look like or who will start, and don't expect them to make a logical decision either. I like Fred Jackson for the first 3 weeks, then you can take stock of your RB core and make changes.

There is a good chance Fred Jackson cracks my starting lineup in the first 3 weeks. I am just not that confident in McFadden.

[InjuredReserve]

I picked 6th

QB: Matt Schuab
RB: Ladanian Tomlinson
RB: Kevin Smith
WR: Reggie Wayne
WR: Antonio Bryant
WR: Kevin Walter
TE: Jason Witten
W/R: Leon Washington (the scoring system favors him so much)
K: John Casey
D/ST: Green Bay

bench:
Ted Ginn Jr.
Matt Hasselbeck
Fred Jackson
Chris Henry
Glen Coffee
Justin Gage

my initial thoughts: love my 3 RBs, the WRs are ok, not great (I have a solid WR1 2 and 3, with 2 upside guys on the bench to fight for the 3rd slot)

QBs are ok, middle of the road again, the one mistake I am still beating myself up over was Takeing Matt Haselbeck over Donald Brown when I forgot he was on the board in round 10.

other: love Witten this year, I think he is going to be the best TE in football, and mid 4th was great value for him, especially with .5 per reception. the D and kicker could both be improoved, I think I will sit on GB for a week or 2 and see how they do. the first team D for GB has looked phenomenal in the preseason. I don't care about kickers...

edit: just looked, and me and west face each other week 1, looks really close.

LT and Kevin Smith is a great running back combo. I like both of your QBs. Also Reggie Wayne and Jason Witten will obviously put up a ton of points for you.

[tbod10]

Looks like everybody from Walterfootball that has posted their teams so far is going to be competitive this year. In the League 1B draft, there were some very puzzling picks, and unfortunately a very early run on WRs due to people being morons. But that's ok cause it allowed me to load up on RBs to swing a trade. Here's my team, I picked 9th:

QB- Aaron Rodgers
RB- DeAngelo Williams
RB- Clinton Portis
WR- TJ Houshmanzadeh
WR- Santana Moss
WR- Santonio Holmes
TE- Jeremy Shockey
W/R- Felix Jones
K- Mason Crosby
D- New Orleans

Bench

Leon Washington
Ahmad Bradshaw
Hakeem Nicks
Kenny Britt
Dustin Keller
Jason Campbell

[thedude808]

I picked 10th in League 1A.

QB- Aaron Rodgers
RB- Chris Johnson
RB- Felix Jones
Flex- Leon Washington
WR- Andre Johnson
WR- Anthony Gonzalez
WR- Torry Holt
TE- Antonio Gates
D/ST- Jets
K- Nick Folk

Bench

Shaun Hill
Ahmad Bradshaw
Glen Coffee
Nate Washington
Domenik Hixon
Johnnie Lee Higgins


Overall, I'm happy with my team. I'm really happy with being able to get Jones, L. Washington, and Bradshaw with my 6th, 7th, and 9th round picks respectively. I really think Jones and Washington were undervalued for this league in particular. I'm a little thin at WR, and I hope Gonzalez breaks out this year. The only pick I'm kind of second-guessing is taking Gates over Housh. If Gates doesn't return to form this year, I'll be rethinking that pick all season. It's gonna be real fun, though.

[flaming thumbtack]

I picked 10th in League 1A.

QB- Aaron Rodgers
RB- Chris Johnson
RB- Felix Jones
Flex- Leon Washington
WR- Andre Johnson
WR- Anthony Gonzalez
WR- Torry Holt
TE- Antonio Gates
D/ST- Jets
K- Nick Folk

Bench

Shaun Hill
Ahmad Bradshaw
Glen Coffee
Nate Washington
Domenik Hixon
Johnnie Lee Higgins


Overall, I'm happy with my team. I'm really happy with being able to get Jones, L. Washington, and Bradshaw with my 6th, 7th, and 9th round picks respectively. I really think Jones and Washington were undervalued for this league in particular. I'm a little thin at WR, and I hope Gonzalez breaks out this year. The only pick I'm kind of second-guessing is taking Gates over Housh. If Gates doesn't return to form this year, I'll be rethinking that pick all season. It's gonna be real fun, though.

I see I am not the only one who is going to take the kick return yards for all they are worth :D

[studbucket]

Thoughts & feedback from everyone so far?

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Thoughts & feedback from everyone so far?

It has been great so far. But, that may be influenced by my 3-1 record.

[studbucket]

Bumping this thread.

We're all full for 2010, but we needed to use 10 backups for this season. Follow the instructions in the 1st post (quoted below) if you're interested in being an alternate for next season.


I had this idea about 2 years ago, but due to a variety of factors, I've never attempted to get it organized. I mentioned it again here: http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9234 and received some good feedback.

Basically it's a fantasy league modeled after European soccer leagues. Each year, the top 2 teams in a league advance to the next tier, and the bottom 2 teams are demoted.

So if we had 48 teams, that would be 4 leagues. The first year, all 4 leagues would be on the same level. After that year, The top 3 teams from each league become part of Tier 1, the next 3 are Tier 2, etc. After each season, the demoting and promoting takes place. This kind of league attempts to keep the competition good in each league every year, so the worst are with each other, and the best are with each other.

The website we will be using hasn't been decided yet, but I'm definitely leaning toward using National Football Post's fantasy service, which will be unveiled in June (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/fantasy-rookie-preview/).

I'm promoting this on a few message boards to ensure that we get enough people for this to be viable. If you are interested at all, could I ask you to do the following:


Email me at: jtkimbell [ at ] yahoo [ dot ] com
Make the title "Tiered Fantasy"
Put your username and what message board you are from down


I will keep all of the emails in a file, and you should receive league invitations and emails in June or July when I get the leagues set up.

Any questions or interest?