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  • CMD III NFC Divisional Round Game 2: New York Giants @ Atlanta Falcons

    Vote for who you think would win the game.

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    One vote per person. Duplicate accounts will be banned and action taken against those attempting to rig the results.

    One vote per team in the match. Co-owners may vote in every match except their own.

    For people who have been following along and wish to vote: please join the conversation and maybe give a reason you voted as you did. This will alleviate any suspicions of unusual voting and will promote discussion.
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    Atlanta Falcons
    51.22%
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    New York Giants
    48.78%
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    • #3
      Write Ups

      Atlanta Falcons

      Offense:
      Looking at the defense of the Giants, you can see that they don’t have very many guys who do well at stopping the run. We will take full advantage of this and run the ball early and often, switching our backs regularly to keep both of them fresh. Look for us to come out in 2 TE sets with Fasano and Stevens(who is basically another lineman)and pound the ball at their DEs with VJax and either Baldwin or Roberts outside. Aldon Smith was a great situational pass rusher last year as a 3-4 OLB, but simply cannot be expected to hold up the POA against a 300+ pound OT as a 4-3 end. Similarly, Lamarr Houston was part of an Oakland D that ranked in the bottom 3rd of rush defenses. Added to this issue is the fact that only one of their LBs can be considered as good against the run. We will make use of both of our guards pulling ability and pick up nice chunks of yards on the ground which will not only tire out their defense, but keep Peyton on the sidelines and our defense fresh. As we establish our run game, their safeties will be forced to move closer to the line to help stop it. This is when we will begin to incorporate play-action passes down field to VJax or in the intermediate to Baldwin/Roberts. Fasano and our backs will also be used on these play-action plays as their LBs will have serious issues covering them as they release into their patterns. Once we wear down their front 7, we will bring in our 3rd and 4th WRs and spread them out and pick on Griffin and Sapp as they try to cover Baldwin and Edelman. We plan on winning the TOP handily in this game and ensuring that our defense is fresh while we move the ball methodically down the field.

      Defense:
      Front 7: Just as the Giants defense will have major issues stopping the run, their offense is simply unable to run the ball. They do have a few solid linemen, but James Starks is not a full time RB and a definite injury concern. This is going to allow us to rush Peyton from the very first snap with little concern about being beaten on the ground. We will use a lot of zone pressure and blitz concepts to keep Peyton from being able to make pre-snap reads, one of the things he relies very heavily on. We will be in nickel and dime a lot and plan on using a smaller line at times that is better suited to getting after the QB. Orakpo, Watt, McPhee, and Reed will comprise this smaller line rush from various places and at various times with Soliai in the middle to occupy multiple linemen when he comes in. Due to them not being able to run, we will start McCarthy and Smith at ILB as they both excel against the pass. They will drop into zones in the middle of the field and occasionally follow the TE or back in man.
      Secondary: As stated above, we plan of using a lot of zone concepts to break up shorter passes as they will not have the time to let their deeper pass routes develop, which is the strength of this team. We will use a lot of press coverage to knock their WRs off of their routes early to give our pass rush time to get to Peyton. Victor Cruz is the top WR target on this offense so we will make sure we always get hands on him with Terrell Thomas at the line and not let him get a free release. Huff will be shaded to the side Cruz is on to keep him from beating us deep. Hernandez is the other top target on this team. Being as we will be in a lot of nickel and dime, we will put McCarthy over Hernandez with Dashon helping to bracket him. Porter and Allen will be used over Meachem and Jones respectively to bump them at the line so they do not get a free release.

      New York Giants

      Now, I’m not fancy big-city lawyer but, and this is no disrespect to my opponents, but I don’t think it takes in-depth analysis to see that the boys in blue are the victors in this matchup. I don’t really see a facet of the game where the Falcons have an edge.

      OFFENSE: There isn’t much to be said about my offense that everyone doesn’t already know. From the second I drafted Manning I knew that I was going to replicate the offense he perfected with the Colts. It’s going to be all about matchups and throwing the ball to set up the run. With Starks, Thomas, Hoomanwanfhniten and TE Nacho I’ve got four good receiving targets to go with my versatile and talented receiver group. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Falcons write-up harps on about Manning’s 3-4 “struggles”. El oh el. Do we actually think that the most cerebral and diligent QB of his generation, maybe ever, is the QB who is stymied by a base defense? I’ll grant that in 2010 his big interception games came against 3-4 teams but the Chargers were the top-ranked Passing Defense, Pats lead the league in picks and, well, Pey Pey went mentally insane in that Cowboys game. He also played well against the Skins and Jets (Playoffs [though he should have thrown on 3rd down ) 3-4 Defenses. Not too mention beating the living **** out of the Jets. In 2009 he destroyed the Cards, Pats, Jets (Playoffs) and played just fine twice against a great Ravens team. In 2009 he murdered the vaunted Steelers and Ravens’ 3-4. So basically Pey Pey told 3-4 Defenses to suck his dick. If Eli and Rag didn”t mention 3-4 defenses then I apologize & tributize. All in all, I just don’t see anyone on that defense that is going to remotely hinder Manning from doing whatever he so desires. You guys know the rest so check out the hook while my DJ revolves it

      Starks and Thomas are backs that can play all three downs which will keep defenses guessing, Cruz can be moved around, Meachem is fast, Jeff Saturday has a nice smile, etc.

      DEFENSE: I’m as a big a Cutler fan as any but to me it just kinda seems like this offense is similar to mine but considerably worse. I have big corners and athletic Safeties, which negates the strength of the offense: jumpballs to V-Jax. My deep but not star-studded DL crew should be able to get pressure on Cutler all day. And we know how much Cutty likes getting hit. I admit that the interior O-Line has got some beef and should be able to move it on the ground a bit, but I also think Briggs & Connor will clean a lot of that up and I don’t think it will be overwhelming.I just don’t see a way that this team can keep pace with the Giant offense. As for general scheme stuff: I run a base 4-3 but purposely loaded up on versatile D-Lineman to give guys breathers and also get creative (Aldon standing up from time to time).
      Last edited by pheltzbahr; 04-15-2012, 07:51 PM.

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      • #4
        Looking at the defense of the Giants, you can see that they don’t have very many guys who do well at stopping the run.
        Uh, looks to me like that's pretty much all the Giants have on the front seven. Connor, Thomas, Houston are all known as run-stoppers, and Lance Briggs is great all-around. It's not like Atlanta has a great running game, either.

        Aldon Smith was a great situational pass rusher last year as a 3-4 OLB, but simply cannot be expected to hold up the POA against a 300+ pound OT as a 4-3 end.
        Aldon Smith played a lot with his hand in the dirt last year. How having his hand in the dirt as opposed to standing up means he'll somehow struggle against the same players he got double-digit sacks against as a rookie, I have no idea. EDIT: Yes, I'm aware they're talking about against the run, but it's not like Atlanta has some sort of awesome running game or as if Marshall Newhouse or Sean Locklear is a great run-blocker.

        I think this is an extremely close match-up, but it looks like Manning is going to be a-okay. Which means he's going to have a field day throwing quick passes to Victor Cruz, Robert Meachem, and James Jones against Atlanta's crap corners. Terrell Thomas, coming off a torn ACL, against Victor Cruz is just funny to imagine.
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        • #5
          This is a better O-Line then what Manning had for a lot of his career. That, plus Cruz just destroying those corners will equal a giants win. Very close though

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          • #6
            Reading the Atlanta write up almost made me vote for the Giants since their running game looks quite bad to me and I don't think they'll be able to successfully run the ball against the Giants at all. That said, I think the Falcons defense was basically built to destroy a pass-heavy team like the Giants. Peyton will be under pressure constantly and without a running game to support him I think the Giants offense will have real issues keeping Peyton upright and moving the ball down the field. So in the end I decided to go with the Falcons. Both teams are quite good, but I think the way the Falcons defense matches up with the Giants offense gives them the edge.

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            • #7
              Manning in a dome with excellent short route, speedy receivers gives the Giants a high scoring offense which should neutralize the pass-rushing strength of Atlanta.

              On the other side of the ball, I think Atlanta's poor o-line finally catches up with them as Cutler is forced to do too much against a collapsing pocket and will struggle as Jackson is covered by Rogers.

              Another really close match up, but the slight edge goes the Giants way.

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              • #8
                To clarify, since i don't think I did a great job of getting this point across, we want to run the ball a bit early to tire out the guys they have to can pass rush in Casey and Aldon. We especially want to run at Aldon and try to wear him out. Then we will spread them out more in the 3 and 4 WR sets as I mentioned in the write up and throw a lot more because their pass rush will be tired. We don't plan on running all game. I should have expanded more on this part, but made sure to hit on the early part as that was the difference from our regular season strategy.

                Once we wear down their front 7, we will bring in our 3rd and 4th WRs and spread them out and pick on Griffin and Sapp as they try to cover Baldwin and Edelman.
                Sorry if I didn't clarify, but I was in a rush to get this in on time...especially since my co-owner is AWOL.

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                • #9
                  Peyton Manning vs a turrible secondary trying to play zone with man corners is LULZ

                  while the Falcons should be able to pressure Peyton a bit. I will never, ever vote against Peyton against a turnover machine (Cutler) behind a woeful offensive line with his basically only reliable weapon (v-jax) being blanketed by a really good corner in Rogers.

                  Although the matchup is closer then i made it sound. I will take the team i have 100 percent more confidence in having less turnovers
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                  • #10
                    I still haven't figured out how to vote for a Manning-led team. I'm not nearly as optimistic as most that he can hold up for a full season, although if he does the Giants likely have the advantage.
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                    • #11
                      well I was fully expecting the falcons to have better strategy so unfortunately because of the falcons writeup I am easily going with the giants, it was close before now not so much. Especially spewing ignorant sh*t.
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                      • #12
                        This is a very close matchup. Well done to both McNulty and Rag/Eli. Yes, I'll do writeups this long for each game. No, you don't have to read them.

                        When Atlanta has the ball:

                        I'm not a huge fan of the Falcons' gameplan. I understand wanting to run it at Aldon Smith early, but running to set up the pass just doesn't make a ton of sense when you look at the rest of each team's personnel. Regardless, I think they could have a bit of success. Newhouse and Locklear are a very weak pair of tackles, and not being afraid to run it up the middle should prevent Smith and Houston from cheating to the outside and gaining an even bigger advantage over them. Then again, despite Smith's possible rustiness against the run, often running behind Newhouse and Locklear seems ill-advised. Jurrell Casey had a strong rookie year and was stout against the run. Marcus Thomas offers nothing but run stuffing but is fairly good in that department.

                        Iupati, Amano, and Blalock should be able to win most battles, but with a pretty good linebacking group against the run in Briggs and Connor (don't know much about Hayes), I see Thomas and Tolbert having only average days. I've heard good things about Ahmard Hall's blocking and Fasano at tight end is a mauler, so those are added bonuses, particularly in short-yardage.

                        With the Falcons' running game having only moderate success, pass protection will be important. Newhouse isn't always terrible, but he's maddeningly inconsistent, looking good maybe a third of the time and like a backup the rest of the time. Because there's no way to predict which Newhouse shows up, I'll assume he's somewhere in the middle (or about 1/3 of the way from bad Newhouse if you care). Semi-bad Newhouse vs. Aldon Smith is still a large mismatch though, and Smith should be in Cutler's face all game. Although Houston should rape Locklear in the running game, his pass rushing left much to be desired this year, especially compared to his rookie year. He still holds the advantage over Locklear, but he shouldn't need to be chipped or doubled like Smith will. Casey can get some penetration while Thomas cannot, but I wouldn't expect anything from either going up against a strong guard tandem.

                        With Cutler's running game doing okay and him facing a lot of pressure but not a ton, which is pretty much par for the course for him, it comes down to him and his receivers vs. the Giants' back seven. Carlos Rogers is a big corner who matches up very well with Jackson. Sure, this was the best year of his career by far, so there's a small fear he regresses, but he's always been talented. I think Quentin Jammer sucks and is overrated, but Andre Roberts sucks too. Jammer should keep him in check.

                        Where I can see the Giants' D getting gashed is underneath. Briggs is good in coverage, but that's the worst part of Connor's game. I don't know much about Hayes, but as an 18th round pick I would guess he's no coverage stud. Kenny Phillips should be able to take out Fasano/Thomas/Tolbert, but Baldwin should destroy Cedric Griffin while Fasano or Thomas/Tolbert (whichever isn't covered by Phillips) should have some success against New York's linebackers and Sean Jones underneath. Edelman is still unproven as a receiver, but Benny Sapp is turrible.

                        All in all, Atlanta's offense will have a tough day. The running game will chug along, eating up some clock and yardage, but there won't be many runs longer than 5 yards. In the passing game, with play action's effectiveness limited by the running game's average-ness, Jackson and Roberts should be close to non-factors, with the offense's main playmakers being Baldwin, Fasano, and running backs. This offense may be able to sustain some drives, but they'll struggle with zero big play ability.

                        When New York has the ball:

                        Here's where it gets more interesting. One of the best CMD offenses against one of the best defenses. There are only a few real front seven mismatches:

                        - Soliai, Watt, and Orakpo vs. Backus, Holland, and Saturday: Peyton's blindside will be annihilated. I think that's indisputable. Soliai can't get much penetration, but if he's singled by Saturday on most plays I could see him collapsing the pocket. When you add in Watt and Orakpo on the same side, the left side of New York's line should be easily overpowered, meaning Starks and Hernadez/Hoomanablahblah may have more blocking to do than usual.

                        - Sitton vs. McPhee: One of the best guards in the league against a rotational lineman who's already a liability against the run? McPhee should be a non-factor.

                        Winston vs. Reed is a wash. In the running game, Starks will be destroyed every time he doesn't run to the right. He has Soliai in the middle and Wattrakpo on the left. He should be able to run to the right, but given the huge advantage Atlanta has on the left they will probably realize that he can only go one direction and direct their linebackers accordingly. McCarthy looked good this year while Bradie James is pretty bad. Regardless, if they both cheat to the right the Giants' running game should be stifled pretty easily. I do like the duo of Starks and Thomas given where they were drafted, but today isn't their day.

                        Now, the passing game and some better news for McNulty. Peyton will be under siege, but Peyton has gotten better against pressure every year of his career and now he's one of the all time greats. Sure, Orakpo and Watt will get their hits, but there's no one better at getting rid of the ball quickly than Peyton. McNulty did a great job tailoring this team to Manning's strengths. Although he won't have time to step up and throw deep, he should have a field day throwing short and intermediate routes.

                        Cruz vs. Thomas isn't as big a mismatch as some are making it seem, but it's still a mismatch. Thomas should be ready for training camp, but a low end number one corner coming off a torn ACL probably won't do so well against one of the shiftiest and quickest receivers in the league who can stretch the field and play in the slot. (Assuming he isn't the next Sidney Rice.) Having Huff shaded to Cruz's side should help in containing his awesome YAC ability, but unless Huff is bracketing him from the snap I don't think he'll have much impact in an offense that will absolutely have to rely on short routes.

                        (Quick note: Not sure why you decided to play zone when your corners are probably better suited to man. Ah well.)

                        Meachem and Hernandez should also be productive. Meachem vs. Porter is something of a wash in man, but Meachem gains the advantage with Porter playing zone. With Huff shading to one side, the middle of the field should be more open for Hernandez to work. I don't think Goldson or McCarthy can cover Hernandez alone, but having them bracket him leaves Atlanta open to Jones and Starks. Assuming the Giants spread it out on 90% of plays (as they will have to with very little running game and facing a great rush), Atlanta's scheme just doesn't make sense and I think their secondary will be spread too thin to be effective.

                        Then again, you cannot underrate the impact of their pass rush. Manning should be forced into some bad decisions and no offense can function with every receiver running two second patterns ever play.

                        Well, to the zero of you who read this entire thing, here's my prediction... This was a really, really tough decision.

                        Atlanta 20, New York 17 (OT)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BobLoblaw View Post
                          I still haven't figured out how to vote for a Manning-led team. I'm not nearly as optimistic as most that he can hold up for a full season, although if he does the Giants likely have the advantage.
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                          • #14
                            I voted Falcons because I really like their defense.
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                            • #15
                              Falcons, but I had to flip a coin. Great matchup.

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