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    This is where I will be dumping all my draft thoughts this offseason. Since the forum no longer supports editing the first post of a thread, I will be posting my big board in the second post and player writeups in the following posts.
    Originally posted by jepg
    I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

    I should be put on an island and nuked.
    Originally posted by jepg
    Blue is right

  • #2
    Top 5
    1. Jamal Adams, S, LSU
    2. OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
    1st Round
    1. Myles Garrett, Edge, Texas A&M
    2. Solomon Thomas, DL, Stanford
    3. John Ross, WR, Washington
    4. Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
    5. Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State
    6. Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama
    7. Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
    8. Derek Barnett, Edge, Tennessee
    9. Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
    10. Dan Feeney, G, Indiana
    11. Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
    12. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
    13. Budda Baker, S, Washington
    14. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy
    15. Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
    16. Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
    17. Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
    18. DeMarcus Walker, DL, FSU
    19. Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
    2nd Round
    1. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
    2. Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan
    3. Taylor Moton, G/T, Western Michigan
    4. Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky
    5. Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
    6. Josh Jones, S, North Carolina State
    7. Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
    8. DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
    9. Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
    10. Dalvin Cook, RB, FSU
    11. Pat Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech
    12. David Njoku, TE, Miami (FL)
    13. TJ Watt, Edge, Wisconsin
    14. Nico Siragusa, G, San Diego State
    15. Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi
    16. Donta Foreman, RB, Texas
    17. Tyus Bowser, Edge/LB, Houston
    18. Chad Hansen, WR, California
    19. Marcus Williams, S, Utah
    20. Jordan Willis, Edge, Kansas State
    21. Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
    22. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
    23. Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
    24. Taco Charlton, Edge, Michigan
    25. Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo
    26. Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington
    27. Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech
    28. Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma
    29. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State
    30. Dorian Johnson, G, Pittsburgh
    31. TreDavious White, CB, LSU
    32. Malik McDowell, DL, Michigan State
    33. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC
    34. Desmond King, S, Iowa
    35. Garett Bolles, OT, Utah
    36. Kevin King, CB, Washington
    3rd Round
    1. Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State
    2. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
    3. Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
    4. Tim Williams, Edge, Alabama
    5. Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan
    6. Takkarist McKinley, Edge, UCLA
    7. Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
    8. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
    9. Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
    10. Dion Dawkins, OT, Temple
    11. Tanoh Kpassagnon, DL, Villanova
    12. Noah Brown, WR, Ohio State
    13. Ethan Pocic, C, LSU
    14. Marlon Mack, RB, USF
    15. Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
    16. Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU
    17. Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
    18. Curtis Samuel, RB, Ohio State
    19. Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut
    20. Carlos Henderson, WR, Louisiana Tech
    21. Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama
    22. Chidobe Awuzie, DB, Colorado
    23. Charles Harris, Edge, Missouri
    24. Stacy Coley, WR, Miami (FL)
    4th Round
    1. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise State
    2. Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
    3. Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
    4. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
    5. Davis Webb, QB, California
    6. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State
    7. Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina
    8. Kendall Beckwith, LB, LSU
    9. Shaq Griffin, CB, UCF
    10. Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson
    11. Carl Lawson, Edge, Auburn
    12. Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa
    13. Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama
    14. Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson
    5th Round
    1. Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
    2. Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
    3. Jalen Tabor, CB, Florida
    4. Isaac Asiata, G, Utah
    5. Ricky Seals-Jones, TE, Texas A&M
    6. Stanley Williams, RB, Kentucky
    7. Roderick Johnson, G, FSU
    6th Round
    1. Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA
    2. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
    3. Elijah Lee, LB, Kansas State
    4. Bug Howard, WR, North Carolina
    5. Jahad Thomas, RB, Temple
    6. Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming
    7. Dawuane Smoot, Edge, Illinois
    7th Round
    1. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
    2. Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech
    Last edited by Blue; 04-27-2017, 05:15 PM.
    Originally posted by jepg
    I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

    I should be put on an island and nuked.
    Originally posted by jepg
    Blue is right

    Comment


    • #3
      Toledo RB Kareem Hunt has fantastic feet and balance to shrug off glancing hits and keep going. Wonderful vision and decisiveness to locate a running lane and go. Tough bruiser of a back and difficult to tackle cleanly. Simply does not fumble. Not an especially effective player in space. Very poor pass blocker, which could keep him off the field as a rookie. Just a flat-out good football player who should be drafted much higher than the current Day 3 consensus.

      Obviously a very gifted athlete, Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara possesses breakaway speed and should run very well in the 40. Good receiver out of the backfield. Quality as a pass blocker means he can play all three downs immediately. Does not shy away from contact. Could use a little more patience to identify running lanes. Often tackled high and stopped. Less than 300 offensive touches in college is concerning on a number of levels, creating questions about why he consistently shared carries with other backs, why he was the backup instead of the starter with Jalen Hurd, and why he was losing work to sophomore John Kelly down the stretch.

      Oklahoma RB Samaje Perine's square, boxy frame that helps him get small and maximize his power. Carries a lot of weight very well on a small frame. Punishing runner with deceptive speed and quickness. Physical blocker who squares up the defender. Clearly a popular player in the locker room and with coaching staff. More bruising than elusive; will not force a lot of missed tackles, but will break arm tackles. Not an elite athlete. Played almost exclusively out of a shotgun-based offense. Rarely used in passing game (40 career catches). Can be taken down relatively quickly if hit behind the line.

      Stupidly quick acceleration lets Ohio State OW Curtis Samuel get the edge before most defenders can disengage from their blocks. Avoids unnecessary contact as a runner but willing to take big hits to make a catch. Joystick moves in the open field to pick up yardage other players would never get. Patient runner, but lets the defense string him out towards the sideline. A bit stiff and unnatural as a route-runner and looks much more comfortable coming out of the backfield. Rarely used as a between-the-tackles runner. Does not make contested catches. Skinny player similar to Tavon Austin.

      Utah LT Garett Bolles moves very well in pass protection. Really good technique, using hands well and mirrors defenders to give his quarterback room to work. Soft blocker in space; uses shoulder to bump opposing players, lacks mean streak. Competitiveness and love of football are question marks. Extremely important to remember this is a 25-year-old playing against 18 and 19-year-old college athletes; what you see is what you get in terms of physical development, and especially in run blocking Bolles will appear more effective than he probably will be in the NFL. Struggled against NFL-ready defensive linemen he faced from Washington and UCLA. Should only be considered a one-contract player for the team that drafts him.

      Troy LT Antonio Garcia is a tough, strong run blocker. Plays hard and to the whistle. Excellent mechanics that help him control defenders in both run and pass games. Lean frame that may not hold up to NFL edge rushers or grind of 16 game season; also hurts his ability to hold up against powerful pass rushers, who can push him around. Has the athleticism and technique to be a star pass protector, but does not consistently put it all together on the field. Can be a bit of a waist bender.

      Virginia Tech WR Isaiah Ford is just a guy to me. He does not have especially great speed, explosion, or hands. His run blocking is acceptable but nothing to write home about. He does track the ball well and plucks it out of the air. Ultimately, it is hard to see him amounting to more than a passable No. 3 receiver in the NFL and needs to show something on special teams to stick around.

      Penn State WR Chris Godwin has a great catch radius thanks to his length and leaping ability. Throws some downright nasty blocks in the run game and is one of the best run blockers at WR in this class. At his best over the middle and in the redzone. Does not fight for the ball in the air. Really struggled to generate separation from defensive backs. Would be best used in a run-oriented offense with an efficient passing game like Seattle or Arizona.

      On top of quick acceleration off the line and downfield, California WR Chad Hansen is ready and willing to lower his shoulder and dish out a hit as a runner. Great vision to produce YAC. Has length and strength to fight off press coverage. Highpoints the ball well. Smart, knows where the first down marker is and how to set up defenders to create separation. Stanford DBs really struggled to cover him without significant help, resulting in at least three DPI flags. Typically runs only sideline and bubble screen routes in gimmicky California offense. I see a lot of Anquan Boldin in his game.

      A prototypical outside receiver, Texas A&M WR Josh Reynolds is impossible to jam at the line for most cornerbacks due to size, length, and strength. Crisp route-runner; can create separation with route-running alone. Strong blocker along the sidelines. Adjusts quickly even to poorly-thrown balls. Deceptively quick for a 6-4 receiver. Very similar to Vincent Jackson as a big receiver who makes physical plays downfield and in the redzone. Loses focus at times and looks disinterested in blocking. Effort and adjusting from the TAMU scheme will be the biggest question marks for Reynolds at the next level, along with worse measurables than expected at the Senior Bowl.

      Missouri Edge Charles Harris looks the part with great size, burst, and agility. Can generate a lot of power when he wants to rushing the quarterback. Has the ability to play both as a three point and two point rusher. Played right end exclusively. Struggles to get off blocks in running game. Lacks instincts and competitive fire. I have enough questions about Harris that I would not put him in the first round conversation, but could be a good value pick early on Day 2 like Jabaal Sheard.

      With fantastic length, Illinois Edge Dawuane Smoot looks the part of an NFL rusher. Flashes active hands to avoid cut blocks and create separation from offensive tackle. Decent run defender. Lacks versatility as a pass rusher. Struggles to make plays in space. Poor bend and closing speed. Gets sealed out of plays by tight end-only blocks. Difficult to see Smoot ever becoming an impact NFL defender or long-term starter.

      Washington DT Elijah Qualls possesses a squat frame with good athleticism. Experience playing at several d-line spots, performed especially well at 0-tech. USC used three players to block him at times. Not an utterly dominant prospect and can be moved off the ball at times, but overall makes plays in the run game and controls his gap(s). Not likely to rush the passer well in the pros.

      It is nearly impossible for offensive tackles to defend against Stanford DL Solomon Thomas with his exceptional length. Ideal vision and awareness to play a two-gap scheme. Incredibly explosive off the line. Energetic and emotional leader on the field. Smart player who consistently reads and blows up screens. Plays harder after making a mistake. Typically creates opportunities for others rather than making plays himself. Does not have the bend or flexibility to be a consistent sack threat as an outside rusher. Height is sometimes a problem when he loses leverage. Poor body control, leading to missed sacks and tackles for loss. Looks and plays like a cross between Cameron Jordan and DeForest Buckner.

      Temple LB Haason Reddick is a versatile player who was used in a variety of roles in the Temple defense. Exceptional bend and explosion as a pass rusher. Has the speed to run down plays from behind. Fights well to get off blocks and make the play. Good in man coverage on the RB out of the backfield. Quick reactions and good instincts. Lacks great size or athleticism. Needs to be a better tackler. Undersized for the position, but best fit is strongside off-ball backer. Should be a solid starter and leader by example on the field.
      Last edited by Blue; 02-11-2017, 10:57 AM.
      Originally posted by jepg
      I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

      I should be put on an island and nuked.
      Originally posted by jepg
      Blue is right

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      • #4
        I like Hansen. Didn't even hear of him until recently. Watching him, he makes some freakish sideline catches. I'm glad you didn't just compare him to another white dude.

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        • #5
          Chris Godwin will be this years Keenan Allen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JLash View Post
            I like Hansen. Didn't even hear of him until recently. Watching him, he makes some freakish sideline catches. I'm glad you didn't just compare him to another white dude.
            I actively avoid doing that. It's easy, lazy, and frankly a little racist.

            Originally posted by DingoLad View Post
            Chris Godwin will be this years Keenan Allen.
            As a guy the media loves to death but falls to the mid-rounds due to poor measurables? I don't really see the comparison otherwise.
            Originally posted by jepg
            I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

            I should be put on an island and nuked.
            Originally posted by jepg
            Blue is right

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            • #7
              I really like Solomon Thomas, but I agree that I don't think he will ever be a huge stats guy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Blue View Post

                I actively avoid doing that. It's easy, lazy, and frankly a little racist.



                As a guy the media loves to death but falls to the mid-rounds due to poor measurables? I don't really see the comparison otherwise.
                More or less that with the fact I think he can be an instant contributor, Can't really think of a better comparison so.

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                • #9
                  Stupidly quick acceleration lets Ohio State OW Curtis Samuel get the edge before most defenders can disengage from their blocks. Avoids unnecessary contact as a runner but willing to take big hits to make a catch. Joystick moves in the open field to pick up yardage other players would never get. Patient runner, but lets the defense string him out towards the sideline. A bit stiff and unnatural as a route-runner and looks much more comfortable coming out of the backfield. Rarely used as a between-the-tackles runner. Does not make contested catches. Skinny player similar to Tavon Austin.
                  I think he's closer to Randall Cobb than Austin. Didn't Austin weigh in around the 160's when he was drafted? I think Samuel weights in around 5'10 190-200 range.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JLash View Post

                    I think he's closer to Randall Cobb than Austin. Didn't Austin weigh in around the 160's when he was drafted? I think Samuel weights in around 5'10 190-200 range.
                    That's what I've got him at, but he doesn't play like it. I'd be worried about his longevity and durability if I drafted him, hence the 3rd round grade.
                    Originally posted by jepg
                    I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

                    I should be put on an island and nuked.
                    Originally posted by jepg
                    Blue is right

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blue View Post

                      That's what I've got him at, but he doesn't play like it. I'd be worried about his longevity and durability if I drafted him, hence the 3rd round grade.
                      I think the more he's asked to run the ball, the bigger the problem becomes. I think he can be an awesome slot guy though if moved there full time.

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                      • #12
                        Samuel reminds me a lot of a younger CJ Spiller
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                        Live everyday as if it is your last, one day it will be

                        Life has defining moments, define the moment or the moment will define you

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                        • #13
                          QB

                          1a. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
                          1b. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
                          3. Deshaun Watson, Clemson
                          4. Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

                          RB

                          1. Dalvin Cook, FSU
                          2. Leonard Fournette, LSU
                          3. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
                          4. Kareem Hunt, Toledo
                          5. Samaje Perine, Oklahoma
                          6. Alvin Kamara, Tennessee
                          7. Jeremy McNichols, Boise State
                          8. Curtis Samuel, Ohio State
                          9. Wayne Gallman, Clemson
                          10. D'onta Foreman, Texas
                          11. Boom Williams, Kentucky
                          12. Jahad Thomas, Temple
                          13. Brian Hill, Wyoming

                          WR

                          1. John Ross, Washington
                          2. Corey Davis, Western Michigan
                          3. Chad Hansen, California
                          4. Mike Williams, Clemson
                          5. JuJu Smith-Schuster, USC
                          6. Stacy Coley, Miami (FL)
                          7. Josh Reynolds, Texas A&M
                          8. Ryan Switzer, North Carolina
                          9. Chris Godwin, Penn State
                          10. Bug Howard, North Carolina
                          11. Isaiah Ford, Virginia Tech

                          OT

                          1. Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
                          2. Antonio Garcia, Troy
                          3. Garett Bolles, Utah
                          4. Cam Robinson, Alabama

                          G

                          1. Taylor Moton, Western Michigan
                          2. Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
                          3. Dorian Johnson, Pittsburgh
                          4. Roderick Johnson, FSU
                          Originally posted by jepg
                          I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

                          I should be put on an island and nuked.
                          Originally posted by jepg
                          Blue is right

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                          • #14
                            Got 3 tackle converts over Dan Feeney at guard?

                            I'm sure some people will, but I can't hate on the WR ranks. I love Ross, and like I said earlier I had no idea who Chad Hansen was until recently but he looks pretty legit. Just hope his limited knowledge of an offense doesn't hinder him too much when he's drafted.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JLash View Post
                              Got 3 tackle converts over Dan Feeney at guard?

                              I'm sure some people will, but I can't hate on the WR ranks. I love Ross, and like I said earlier I had no idea who Chad Hansen was until recently but he looks pretty legit. Just hope his limited knowledge of an offense doesn't hinder him too much when he's drafted.
                              Haven't watched Dan Feeney yet. I only listed the players I've seen.

                              Hence why there are no centers listed... >.>
                              Originally posted by jepg
                              I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

                              I should be put on an island and nuked.
                              Originally posted by jepg
                              Blue is right

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