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  • #31
    Eric Decker will play. His route running is already a strong point and his hands will create immediate trust with his QB. The man is expected to be green lit by TC. He'll play right away. Tebow will play also. He won't play as a pure QB, but he'll be in on red-zone packages.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Walter View Post
      If the Chargers felt like he had something left, why would they just effortlessly let him go like that? He's 34 and coming off a season-ending injury.
      Why would they let their best reciever and their best tackle sit on the bench? Money, my friend. The Chargers aren't rich.

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      • #33
        Let's go over the Broncos receiving threats:

        Jabar Gaffney - 6'2" and knows all every WR position. Best suited as a number 2, not a number 1 WR.
        Eddie Royal - the perfect slot receiver. Will McDaniels utilize him correctly? We can only hope.
        Brandon LLoyd - a journeyman that couldn't stick with Chicago
        Kenny McKinley - decently tall and very fast. Special teams player in 2009 that got injured. Who knows what's he's going to do
        Eric Decker - another slot receiver prospect coming off injury. it will be hard to see time as a rookie until he gets healthy
        D Thomas - extremely raw prospect. Tall and fast, but was never asked to run routes in college. Inconsistent hands. He's HoF material as we speak

        How are people thinking the Broncos WR's are going to be great? I think there's a buttload of potential there, but the first half of the season could be ugly.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Walter View Post
          From Alex Adams:

          I appreciate your response. Sincerely. I'll try to keep this short as I'm sure you're busy.

          Yes, J. Williams was a great nose tackle in 2008, as you said. The only thing that's changed is that he's had an entire year to rest and prepare. He came into camp in great shape and even better weight. When a reciever takes a year off it's a big minus, he's lost valuable time to develop timinhg and trust between him and his QB. When a veteran NT takes a year off, it's a vacation. Jamal will be elite this year. We'll agree to disagree.

          Speaking of the word elite, and believe me I don't throw it around loosely (even if it sounds like that right now), Baltimore has devoloped a defensive line that has bordered on that territory every year for the last what, like a decade? They had a top-five run defense last year, and every year since 2006. They've not allowed an average of 100 yards rushing in the same span. Are you really trying to tell me that Bannan wasn't a big part of that? Yes, he's a role player. He plays what like 30% of their snaps? Is that really supposed to be a knock when he's playing behind talent that is the definition of our new favorite word... elite? Bannan would start for 90% of NFL teams. His snap count was limited in Baltimore due to who he was playing behind. What?

          D. Thomas is raw. My original point should have been more clear. Imagine him as a 2nd round pick instead of the Broncos taking him where they did. Would he still be so despised? You say you don't hate him, yet you say he can't run routes and can't catch. Time will tell, but again, he has potential. And btw, his six or so practices have been very good. As Josh McDaniels said at the time, he is who we thought he was (or something very close to that).

          As for your 2.1/2.2 win prediction rate, well, we both know how averages work. You can be epically wrong on one and exactly right predicting another for that average to work out. What was your prediction for the Broncos last year? Two wins off? I doubt that. My guess, without looking it up, is that you were wrong about us last year and that you've not learned from it. Perhaps next year?

          Thanks again. I enjoyed your site relating to draft picks. I even enjoyed reading your research on each of the 32 teams this year. You've done your homework. You just have this one wrong.


          My Response:

          I can't see Jamal Williams being elite at 34. Even if he's healthy, he's a declining player. At best, I think he can be serviceable.

          Fair point about Baltimore's line, but the fact remains that Bannan will be asked to do so much more in Denver. Is he up to it? You may think so. I have my doubts. But neither of us really knows. All we can do is speculate. You're the Broncos fan, so you have hope. I'm the casual observer, so I'm more pessimistic.

          I thought the second round was the right spot for Demaryius Thomas. In fact, I mocked him to Denver in the second round. I think it's a really good fit. But I don't think he should be expected to be a star right away.

          I was off by four wins with the Broncos last year, but I feel as though my projection was dead on. The Broncos had several fluky wins early on, combined with great handicapping situations in their favor. Denver +3 over New England was my October NFL Pick of the Month. It was just a fantastic situation for the Broncos. Had those two teams played in December, however, the Patriots would have smoked them. The real Broncos last year was the team that went 2-8 down the stretch. So, to be fair, give them a 2-6 record for eight games, and multiply that by two to get my predicted 4-12 record.
          Bannan played 433 snaps for the Ravens last year and you're still implying that he wasn't a big part of their defense. More importanly, you're implying that Denver will ask him to play like 900. How much more of a role do you think he'll be asked to play? I would take the "under" at 600 snaps. There's not much of a difference.

          Here's where we're off: You see Denver's decline last year as unfixed. I see a tangible problem that was fixed. Depth. Defensive line depth. The line wore out and Denver couldn't stop the run. Every player that was largely responsible for stopping the run has been replaced in the starting lineup. Many of last year's starter's are this year's backup/role players. This isn't me having a glass of Orange and Blue Koolaid. This is me seeing problems that were fixed. Instead, you seem to focus on what went wrong without acknowledging upgrades. You see Bannan and Williams as servicable. I see them as fixes. You see Andra Davis departing almost as a minus. I see it as a fix. You see D. Thomas as a minus, just because you don't expect him to be a star right away. I see him as an immediate field-stretcher with upside. (He doesn't have to be Randy Moss in the hands to make defenses immediately account for him.) You see Decker as not starting; I see him being an immediate possesion receiver. You see Kyle Orton under center and cringe. I see a QB that keeps the Broncos clsoe, doesn't make mistakes, and comes out in many red-zone plays (for Tebow). You see Ayers and get distracted by your pre-draft predictions. I see a guy that had 17 pressures in a limited role while learning to play standing up. You see Moreno as weak last year. I see a guy coming into his second year, and hear all that amazing things being said in TC.

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          • #35
            Just coming Back for some quick lulz guys. I see Walter hasn't developed any more journalistic integrity...

            ...not like I expected him to. More of a shock Jock. Whatever, if you cant see the truth then you are truly lost.

            13-3
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Alex Adams View Post
              You're killing me with the Jamal Williams bit. In your response to me you said something about him being great into 2008. What's changed? His arm injury that has fully repaired and doens't run risk of repeat injury? The man was elite last time you saw him on the field. The Chargers aren't rich. They're not paying Jackson or McNeil either. They lost their NT to Denver. You don't have to agree with my take, but it's at least an option - that SD isn't rich and their take on run defense is scoring an ass load of points so that teams don't run on them. You will be wrong on Jamal Williams. He was terrific (top-three) pretty much every year before last year when he didn't play. What's changed? It seems as if you're replacing your opinion for your thought that the Chargers had an opinion on him. Me, I make my own opinions, rather than take what I perceive the Chargers' opinion to be.
              Yeah but what is your opinion based on? Play of 2008 and minicamp reports... we'll find out by the start of the season. You think he'll be great, Walt doesn't, we don't know, end of story.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Alex Adams View Post
                Bannan played 433 snaps for the Ravens last year and you're still implying that he wasn't a big part of their defense. More importanly, you're implying that Denver will ask him to play like 900. How much more of a role do you think he'll be asked to play? I would take the "under" at 600 snaps. There's not much of a difference.

                Here's where we're off: You see Denver's decline last year as unfixed. I see a tangible problem that was fixed. Depth. Defensive line depth. The line wore out and Denver couldn't stop the run. Every player that was largely responsible for stopping the run has been replaced in the starting lineup. Many of last year's starter's are this year's backup/role players. This isn't me having a glass of Orange and Blue Koolaid. This is me seeing problems that were fixed. Instead, you seem to focus on what went wrong without acknowledging upgrades. You see Bannan and Williams as servicable. I see them as fixes. You see Andra Davis departing almost as a minus. I see it as a fix. You see D. Thomas as a minus, just because you don't expect him to be a star right away. I see him as an immediate field-stretcher with upside. (He doesn't have to be Randy Moss in the hands to make defenses immediately account for him.) You see Decker as not starting; I see him being an immediate possesion receiver. You see Kyle Orton under center and cringe. I see a QB that keeps the Broncos clsoe, doesn't make mistakes, and comes out in many red-zone plays (for Tebow). You see Ayers and get distracted by your pre-draft predictions. I see a guy that had 17 pressures in a limited role while learning to play standing up. You see Moreno as weak last year. I see a guy coming into his second year, and hear all that amazing things being said in TC.
                I agree with Bannon.
                How the hell do you know that Mario freakin' Haggan will be better than Andra Davis who got a raise to go to Buffalo? Haggan has never played MIKE before
                D Thomas might be able to stretch the field, but Orton can't throw the deep pass. Seriously
                Why do you think Decker will come in a be an immediate possession receiver? He's still hurt.
                Ayers sucked last year and got disciplined for missing 2 practices this spring. They say he can't rush the passer from the left side. He's a big if.
                Walt mostly had good things to say about Moreno last year, like he was expected to go up the middle why they ran Buckhalter around end.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                  Just coming Back for some quick lulz guys. I see Walter hasn't developed any more journalistic integrity...

                  ...not like I expected him to. More of a shock Jock. Whatever, if you cant see the truth then you are truly lost.

                  13-3
                  1st seed in AFC

                  Peaceout
                  Yeah, your 12-4 last year was a brilliant prediction. Go back to the cool-aid factory.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                    Just coming Back for some quick lulz guys. I see Walter hasn't developed any more journalistic integrity...

                    ...not like I expected him to. More of a shock Jock. Whatever, if you cant see the truth then you are truly lost.

                    13-3
                    1st seed in AFC

                    Peaceout
                    Haha, if only I could be as unbiased as you
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                      Just coming Back for some quick lulz guys. I see Walter hasn't developed any more journalistic integrity...

                      ...not like I expected him to. More of a shock Jock. Whatever, if you cant see the truth then you are truly lost.

                      13-3
                      1st seed in AFC

                      Peaceout
                      You said they'd finish 12-4

                      He said they finish 4-12

                      they finished 8-8

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by PaddyPatriot View Post
                        You said they'd finish 12-4

                        He said they finish 4-12

                        they finished 8-8
                        But 2-8 down the stretch
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                        • #42
                          @Alex Adams: I love that you brought up the Ravens' run defense over the last several years as an example of Bannan being a big improvement. Fact is that the Ravens lose defensive linemen fairly regularly. Why do they always end up at the top of the league in run defense? It's not because they have the most talented line in the world. Dwan Edwards, Kelly Gregg, Trevor Pryce, Haloti Ngata, Justin Bannan, Paul Kruger*: that was Baltimore's defensive line last year. None of those guys is an all-around star; Pryce and Ngata are the top two, and while Pryce is a good pass-rusher and Ngata strong against the run, they are average at best at each other's respective strengths. The truth is that Baltimore's line swaps players in and out constantly; Bannan, for example, played on 30% of last season's snaps (roughly and probably being a bit generous). That means, on the other 70% of the snaps, one of four other guys were manning his spot, and at least one of the remaing three were lining up somewhere else on the line.

                          Baltimore can replace Edwards and Bannan. They showed they could by lowballing them in free agency and then drafting a couple guys to replace them, along with adding Cory Redding in FA. Say what you will about Jamal Williams being a "steal" (Grady Jackson could plug the middle at 36, too, that didn't make him good), the Ravens are one of the best-run organizations in the league. If they don't think these guys could replace the rapidly-declining and much more expensive Kelly Gregg and Trevor Pryce, then they're very likely right. Bannan may help the rotation out, but it doesn't change the fact that Denver has one of the worst collections of defensive line talent in the league.

                          Side note: Denver went from 2nd in the league to 15th in offensive yards per game following the Cutler trade and McDaniels taking over. Their PPG went from 23.1 (16th) to 20.4 (20th). I laugh when I imagine how bad that offense is going to be without Brandon Marshall taking double coverage and forcing teams to at least pretend to respect the pass.
                          Originally posted by jepg
                          I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

                          I should be put on an island and nuked.
                          Originally posted by jepg
                          Blue is right

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by blue5213 View Post
                            @Alex Adams: I love that you brought up the Ravens' run defense over the last several years as an example of Bannan being a big improvement. Fact is that the Ravens lose defensive linemen fairly regularly. Why do they always end up at the top of the league in run defense? It's not because they have the most talented line in the world. Dwan Edwards, Kelly Gregg, Trevor Pryce, Haloti Ngata, Justin Bannan, Paul Kruger*: that was Baltimore's defensive line last year. None of those guys is an all-around star; Pryce and Ngata are the top two, and while Pryce is a good pass-rusher and Ngata strong against the run, they are average at best at each other's respective strengths. The truth is that Baltimore's line swaps players in and out constantly; Bannan, for example, played on 30% of last season's snaps (roughly and probably being a bit generous). That means, on the other 70% of the snaps, one of four other guys were manning his spot, and at least one of the remaing three were lining up somewhere else on the line.

                            Baltimore can replace Edwards and Bannan. They showed they could by lowballing them in free agency and then drafting a couple guys to replace them, along with adding Cory Redding in FA. Say what you will about Jamal Williams being a "steal" (Grady Jackson could plug the middle at 36, too, that didn't make him good), the Ravens are one of the best-run organizations in the league. If they don't think these guys could replace the rapidly-declining and much more expensive Kelly Gregg and Trevor Pryce, then they're very likely right. Bannan may help the rotation out, but it doesn't change the fact that Denver has one of the worst collections of defensive line talent in the league.

                            Side note: Denver went from 2nd in the league to 15th in offensive yards per game following the Cutler trade and McDaniels taking over. Their PPG went from 23.1 (16th) to 20.4 (20th). I laugh when I imagine how bad that offense is going to be without Brandon Marshall taking double coverage and forcing teams to at least pretend to respect the pass.
                            McDaniels offense is about scheme not player. They are thinking that Thomas/McKinley will take some of the slack of Orton throwing the ball up for grabs and Marshall coming down with it. How many Bronco games did you watch last year, blue?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BroncosCon View Post
                              I agree with Bannon.
                              How the hell do you know that Mario freakin' Haggan will be better than Andra Davis who got a raise to go to Buffalo? Haggan has never played MIKE before
                              D Thomas might be able to stretch the field, but Orton can't throw the deep pass. Seriously
                              Why do you think Decker will come in a be an immediate possession receiver? He's still hurt.
                              Ayers sucked last year and got disciplined for missing 2 practices this spring. They say he can't rush the passer from the left side. He's a big if.
                              Walt mostly had good things to say about Moreno last year, like he was expected to go up the middle why they ran Buckhalter around end.
                              I'm glad we agree on Bannan.
                              They say the definition of insanity can loosely be defined as doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. Wouldn't it be just as insane to SEE the same thing over and over again, yet expect a different result? Last we knew Jamal Williams was an elite nose tackle. We know his injury isn't at risk of repeat, and he doesn't stand on his arm. We know he's older, but we also know the starting age of nose tackles last year was about 31. Shaun Rogers has more starts than Jamal Williams. Robinson has two full seasons worth of starts over Jamal Williams. The man isn't dead or walking on his cane. He's a workout warrior, the good kind. Word from camp about the shape he's in has been terrific.

                              A raise to go to Buffalo, eh? Davis was a liability in pretty much all facets last year, including the run contrary to popular belief. At 170lbs, I would almost be an upgrade to what he provided in coverage and pass rush. Haggan was our starter on the outside last year (with the 7th ranked defense). He's big and should be able to easily transition into our inside run-thumper.

                              The jury on Ayers is out. I can't reasonably debate the notion that he'll be great this year. I can only say that it's the first-rounders second year playing a new position and that everything coming out of camp has been excellent news other than his recent punishment. He's a kid in his 20's that made a mistake and got punished for it. What? That doesn't take away all the great things that we've heard about his work ethic and performance in mini camp.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BroncosCon View Post
                                McDaniels offense is about scheme not player. They are thinking that Thomas/McKinley will take some of the slack of Orton throwing the ball up for grabs and Marshall coming down with it. How many Bronco games did you watch last year, blue?
                                Do you honestly believe that having an appreciably more talented and experienced receiver vs. a rookie and a scrub means nothing just because of the system?
                                Originally posted by jepg
                                I apologise to the entire Walter Football community for my bigoted views.

                                I should be put on an island and nuked.
                                Originally posted by jepg
                                Blue is right

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