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    Eh I wasn't too thrilled with episode 3. I guess it's going to be used to build up the next few, but still eh. Anyone else watch it yet?

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    Ugh...I missed House tonight. I can't believe it.

    Yeah, I don't watch Heroes, but I probably should since I hear good things about it.
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    • #3
      Anyone else watching "The Mentalist"? I like it, reminds me of House.

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      • #4
        I kinda like House.
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        • #5
          Claire pic of the week:



          She wants it so bad! I think I'll have to take one for mankind and give it to her.
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          • #6
            I tried to watch Heroes once and it bored me to tears.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by vbsiena24 View Post
              Claire pic of the week:



              She wants it so bad! I think I'll have to take one for mankind and give it to her.
              Good lord.
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              • #8
                I liked this episode. It just went way too quickly. It seemed like 20 minutes.

                I guess the only thing we need to know is why Ms. Petrelli fed Bridgette to Sylar. Probably because she has some object to show Sylar so she can prove to him that she really is his mother.

                I'm looking forward to see what Parkman sees in his trance. The girl in the painting looked like Daphne. I like the African guy. I hope he sticks around.

                Boooo with Jessie dying. I like his power, and I'm curious to see what other sounds he can manipulate. I guess Sylar can do the same thing.

                Question:

                If Mr. Bennet wants to kill Sylar so bad, why not trap him with the Haitian and blow his brains out so Sylar can't regenerate?
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                • #9
                  I enjoyed the episode but nothing great. There is no way to explain why Peter can't do or fix anything he wants but I'll ignore it.

                  Here's a behind the scenes look on the episode I found on a Heroes board. It's a blog from a writer I think.

                  BEEMAN’S BLOG - SEASON 3 - EPISODE 3

                  “ONE OF US, ONE OF THEM”
                  (WARNING: SPOILERS ARE CONTAINED WITHIN. SPOILERS MAY BE HAZERDOUS TO YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE)

                  Episode three of our third season, was, from my point of view, a hard birth. I’m happy with the final result, but the process getting there was tough.

                  The director of tonight’s episode was Sergio Mimica-Gezzan. Interestingly, he was Steven Spielberg’s Assistant Director for many years on some of Spielberg’s biggest movies. He made the transition to directing on “Taken” 6 years ago. If you want to check out his impressive resume try this link… Sergio Mimica-Gezzan.

                  He came recommended to us from execs at NBC – he had directed successful episodes of “Battlestar Galactica”, and I had also seen the pilot he directed for the TNT network show “Saving Grace” starring Holly Hunter. We hired him last year to direct our 13th episode of season 2. He was halfway in the middle of production on it, when the writer’s strike hit and we shut down. Much of what Sergio directed ended up on the cutting room floor, or as DVD extras for the Season 2 DVD package. My personal experience with Sergio is that he is an extremely focused and intense guy with a great eye.

                  The writer of tonight’s episode was Joe Pokaski. He is a producer on the show, who came up from being Tim Kring’s assistant on “Crossing Jordan.” Notably Joe is also the writer of the current Marvel comic book series “Secret Invasion: The Inhumans” and “Ultimate Fantastic Four.” He also wrote many of the HEROES online comics that have been assembled in the highly successful HEROES HARDBACK GRAPHIC NOVEL.

                  The first draft of the script, from a production standpoint, was very big. It had the bank robbery more-or- less as it currently exists. It also had a Claire/Meredith scene, which currently occurs in a cargo container. This scene originally took place in a deserted warehouse where Claire was surrounded by fire. The Hiro/Ando/Daphne scene, which currently occurs in a German movie theatre, originally took place on a train traveling through India, complete with Hiro and Ando on the roof of the train and Ando nearly falling out the side of a baggage car.

                  Personally, I loved the first draft of this script. It was a great, incredibly exciting read. I loved the way the bank robbery was written, and the idea that Sylar was to become HRG’s new partner blew my mind. The entire component parts were great – but, collectively, it was also, obviously, too big to be affordable. Beyond that though, the choices we producer’s faced of how to get the budget down became very subjective. The bank robbery was the obvious thing that had to stay because it drove the central story and the key recurring stories for the series– For me, the scripted moment where time freezes and future Peter appears was a key event (it sent a chill down my spine when I first read it.) So the Claire story and the Hiro story were what had to be attacked.

                  The prep process was odd because, it felt like, at every turn, whenever we attempted to make something cheaper, it either seemed to stay financially neutral or, ironically, became more expensive.

                  For instance, when the decision was made to shift from a burning warehouse to a metal shipping container – it sure seemed that that would reduce the scope… But then conversations started up about how to create an effect for the walls to appear to be glowing molten hot. Those conversations evolved until, at one point, we were going to create an entirely 3-D greenscreen environment of glowing metal walls. That lasted a few days until reality set in and it became clear that that would cost more, and take longer to shoot than the original warehouse idea. We backed off the digital environment and the glowing walls and just decided that there would be a couple of key shots of Meredith’s fire going up the walls and digital heat waves would be generated throughout to sell the heat.

                  As far as the Hiro/Ando/Daphne scene – we explored two plans. We needed two railroad cars – a passenger car and a cargo car – as well as a roof. One plan was to find existing trains and re-dress them and shoot them on location with green screen out the windows. But the cost of going on location and re-dressing was prohibitive. So we explored building the two train cars on set surrounded by blue screen. This was also too expensive.

                  Many discussions were held and we came to realize that this story could take place anywhere. The writer’s wanted it to be in an exotic foreign country, and the story had to be containable enough that the Haitian’s power would shut down Hiro and Daphne’s powers. The location department was sent off to come back with exotic-looking locations, which Joe Pokaski could write to. They came back with several. My favorite was a mosque that looked like it could be in an Arabic country. There was also a beautiful library – which would have been set in London. But the German moviehaus was what the writers selected – and from that choice stemmed the fun choice to have the Buster Keaton movies playing in the background.

                  Interestingly – the mysterious woman who is exchanging the briefcase with the Haitian is Sendhil Ramamurthy (i.e. Suresh’s) real-life wife Olga Sosnovska. They met in London, where she was a star on the British television series MI-5.

                  There were changes made to reduce budget in the bank scenes as well. Most noteably – at first Jesse’s power was Earthquake-stomp (Like Gorgon of the Inhumans from the Fantastic Four comics) But this power implied cracking floors and walls and all manner of damage that would be expensive to produce. At the last minute we changed him to a Sonic scream (like DC’s Black Canary) – this was easier to accomplish but was a bummer too us because we already had Echo from the online webisodes with sonic power – Oh well…..

                  There’s one last thing worth talking about: Originally episode 3.2 (the episode I directed) ended with the scene where Angela brought Bridgett to Sylar and “fed” her to him. Ironically, that scene is, literally, the only scene we kept from the two incomplete episodes shot last year. Double-ironically Sergio directed that scene in the never-completed episode 2.13. Triple Ironically – the only new material added to that pre-existing scene was two close-ups – one of Angela and one of Sylar – where Angela spelled out “I AM your mother.” And I directed this. So, in the end, Sergio’s material ended up in his episode and my material ended up in mine.

                  Episode 3.3 originally opened with Tracy exploring her freeze-o power on the rose, it then went to Nathan in his office asking after Tracy, then it went to Angela introducing HRG to his new partner Sylar. This section of the show ended with Peter and with villains arriving at the bank to rob it. For some reason, even though every scene was in-and-of-itself good, it felt like the show began in an un-focused way.

                  Katherine Pope, the president of Universal, was the one who came up with the idea of ending episode 3.2 with “I am your mother” and shifting the Bridgette part of the scene into this episode.

                  At first, from a selfish point-of-view, this bummed me out. When episode 3.2 ended with Bridgette screaming and Angela stalking down the Level 5 hallway – I used to imagine fans leaping out of their chairs screaming “OMG this show is SO F%#d up!!!”

                  But, on the other hand, when I saw episode 3.3 with the Bridgette scene shifted into it as the opening, the whole episode seemed re-focused and clarified. It’s always amazing to me what editing and juxtaposition of scenes can do… Without the new scene, this episode felt like an episode about Peter and the Villains at the bank robbery. With this new opening it became an episode about HRG/Sylar and Angela. It fact, the whole episode, became balanced (as if by design) with both the first and last scene of the show involving Sylar and Angela in Sylar’s cell.

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                  • #10
                    Wow episode 4 was so good!!!!

                    I don't wanna give too much away but they did a solid job with the alt time line. I was hoping they didn't go DBZ (Trunks saga) and make it stupid and ridicious and they actually did a very nice job with it. Lots of great stuff going on.

                    The ending of the episode was great too. An "Old" friend is back.
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                    • #11
                      Week 4 Claire pic:

                      Future "Dark" Claire (assumed age 21-22)

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                      • #12
                        Very good Episode. I liked when future Sylar got angry. I guess future died because the Hatian was there to block his healing powers and then they shot him in the head? I’m not sure who could die at this point. Why would future Peter want present Peter to have Sylar’s power?

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                        • #13
                          Great episode.

                          THEORY OF THE WEEK:

                          The "old friend" is Arthur Petrelli.

                          Linderman is real - only he's not really Linderman. That man is Arthur.

                          We still don't know what Arthur Petrelli's power is. Maybe he can get into someone's head and become some imaginary person, encompassing all that person's powers? That would explain how Linderman cured Nathan despite the fact that no one can see him. That could also explain the Hiro-Ando battle we've seen in the future.

                          THEORY OF THE WEEK NO. 2:

                          Peter apparently needs Sylar's ability for something. For what though?

                          Well, if Peter can see how things work, maybe he can modify Mohinder's formula in some way? Mohinder told Peter that he got it wrong. Maybe with Sylar's ability, Peter can figure out the formula dilemma.


                          Anyway...

                          Adam Monroe is out of the grave! "Hiro you son of a...!" LOL.

                          I think back to that vision Angela Petrelli had, where Adam teamed up with Tracy Strauss, Nox and Maury Parkman. Why would Angela want Adam out of the grave?

                          The future scene with Good Sylar blowing up Costa Verde was awesome. I wanted Sylar to go ballistic and steal Nox's power, but going nuclear was even better.

                          Parkman's going to follow a turtle? Good luck with all that.

                          Future Molly only looked one year older than Present Molly. Go figure.

                          And yeah, Future Peter couldn't regenrate because the Haitian was there. Why didn't the Haitian go with Claire with Costa Verde?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Walter View Post
                            Great episode.

                            THEORY OF THE WEEK:

                            The "old friend" is Arthur Petrelli.

                            Linderman is real - only he's not really Linderman. That man is Arthur.

                            We still don't know what Arthur Petrelli's power is. Maybe he can get into someone's head and become some imaginary person, encompassing all that person's powers? That would explain how Linderman cured Nathan despite the fact that no one can see him. That could also explain the Hiro-Ando battle we've seen in the future.

                            Interesting theory. I originally thought someone is projecting images of Linderman into Nathan's mind. Maybe Papa Parkman. He supposedly can do anything with the mind and we haven't heard from him yet.

                            THEORY OF THE WEEK NO. 2:

                            Peter apparently needs Sylar's ability for something. For what though?

                            Well, if Peter can see how things work, maybe he can modify Mohinder's formula in some way? Mohinder told Peter that he got it wrong. Maybe with Sylar's ability, Peter can figure out the formula dilemma.

                            Sylar's ability is truely revealed. He understands cause of effect, how everything works, how one change affects thousands of things, how to steal powers. Very cool power the more I think about it. Except for the "hunger" part, that part sucks.

                            Anyway...

                            Adam Monroe is out of the grave! "Hiro you son of a...!" LOL.

                            I loved the ending. So funny. I knew right away after Angela said we need to bring back an old friend it would be Adam

                            I think back to that vision Angela Petrelli had, where Adam teamed up with Tracy Strauss, Nox and Maury Parkman. Why would Angela want Adam out of the grave?

                            Angela said something at the end of the episode that someone was hiding and munipulating them. Adam Monroe probably knows who it is or where to find him/her.

                            The future scene with Good Sylar blowing up Costa Verde was awesome. I wanted Sylar to go ballistic and steal Nox's power, but going nuclear was even better.

                            Nox is a cool villain. I love how he beats the crap out of future Sylar because of future Sylar's son. Who looked way older than 4 (maybe not really his son?)

                            Parkman's going to follow a turtle? Good luck with all that.

                            Future Molly only looked one year older than Present Molly. Go figure.

                            And yeah, Future Peter couldn't regenrate because the Haitian was there. Why didn't the Haitian go with Claire with Costa Verde?

                            So future Peter and future Sylar could not regenerate I'd say

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                            • #15
                              Good stuff Walter. I like the idea of Sylar's power figuring out the formula. My guess would have been papa Petrelli as well.

                              Peter's chest should have healed when he attacked Nathan but who cares. I wonder who the other triplet is. I'm interested to see how they bring this all together.

                              I'll go post your thoughts on the hero's board. give you some free advertisement.

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