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  • Matt McGuire
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    Originally posted by Walter View Post
    Well they had Chambers at the time. I'm not saying WR wasn't a need.
    Yeah but come on Chambers? San Diego overpayed for him big time. I would have given up a 3rd for him but not a 2nd round pick.

    If I were the Dolphins I would have considered Darrelle Revis there (I had Revis to the Phins in my last NFL mock).

    Here is my board for the Phins at that spot if I am the GM but my head coach doesn't like Brady Quinn:

    1. Darrelle Revis
    2. Amobi Okoye (and we switch to 4-3 full time)
    3. Ted Ginn Jr.
    4. Patrick Willis
    5. Lawrence Timmons

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  • Walter
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    Well they had Chambers at the time. I'm not saying WR wasn't a need.

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  • Matt McGuire
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    Originally posted by Walter View Post
    ...as he tries to decipher the British language.

    Replacement for Zach Thomas is what I meant.
    Yeah but they have Crowder. What were they going to do with the WR position Walter if they didn't draft Ginn or even Bowe at #9????

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  • Walter
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    ...as he tries to decipher the British language.

    Replacement for Zach Thomas is what I meant.

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  • Matt McGuire
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    Originally posted by Walter View Post
    Patrick Willis would have filled a huge need too.
    Channing Crowder says hi.

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  • Walter
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    Patrick Willis would have filled a huge need too.

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  • Matt McGuire
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    Originally posted by animal52 View Post
    Good luck to anyone trying to guess who Miami will take #1 overall. Most of the postings have made sense to me but let's not forget the choices Miami made in 2007.... Ted Ginn Jr. #9 overall??? A team that has so many holes needs the "best athlete", regardless of position. So who do you take between the 2 Longs, Dorsey, or McFadden? Then, who do you think they'll pick?
    #9 overall and #1 overall are 2 totally different picks. We will know from sources though who they will take if they don't do a preliminary draft signing.

    Ted Ginn wasn't as bad a pick as much of it was a shocker to us. If not Ginn (or Quinn since Cameron didn't like him), then who?

    I think they made the right pick other than Quinn. Ginn did fill a huge need.

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  • animal52
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    Good luck to anyone trying to guess who Miami will take #1 overall. Most of the postings have made sense to me but let's not forget the choices Miami made in 2007.... Ted Ginn Jr. #9 overall??? A team that has so many holes needs the "best athlete", regardless of position. So who do you take between the 2 Longs, Dorsey, or McFadden? Then, who do you think they'll pick?

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  • Matt McGuire
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    Originally posted by Craig Smith View Post
    And i could completely agree with that, but in my mock, McFadden is no longer available, (if he was then he is the BPA and they do take him) That being said the best player available at that point in time in my opinion is Dorsey, who is obviously worthy of the #1 overall pick since alot of people seem to think Miami may take him #1 overall...
    Just because Dorsey is worhty of the #1 overall pick doesn't mean thats a good reason for the Patriots to take him.

    It's no different than with Aaron Rodgers. He was worthy of the #1 overall pick, then another 20 teams passes on him. But based on your logic Craig they should have taken him since...

    "he is obviously worthy of the #1 overall pick since alot of people seem to think San Francisco may take him #1 overall."

    It's no different.

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  • Craig Smith
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    And i could completely agree with that, but in my mock, McFadden is no longer available, (if he was then he is the BPA and they do take him) That being said the best player available at that point in time in my opinion is Dorsey, who is obviously worthy of the #1 overall pick since alot of people seem to think Miami may take him #1 overall...

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  • Matt McGuire
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    Originally posted by Craig Smith View Post
    Where is McFadden going to play especiially in their newfound pass happy offense?
    Runningback? I big plus to McFadden is his versatility as a receiver and runner after the catch like a Reggie Bush. Maybe NE throws it a lot in shotgun because they don't have confidence in Laurence Maroney?

    McFadden is just such a good player he presents great value to them and their offense, if they want to cut their punter who is going to argue?

    The thing with taking Dorsey even though he is such a great talent, is that they have already stacked their DL with first round picks, and I'm not so sure Dorsey would be the kind of playmaker/upgrade that would give them adequate value to take in the draft period because he is a bad fit in the 3-4 defense. Taking Dorsey leaves the Patriots with a lot of needs still to be addressed.

    Now taking McFadden doesn't necessarilly fill a need, but he is a big upgrade over Laurence Maroney (I don't care if he was a first rounder), and Maroney becomes expendable. A team like the NY Giants, Detroit, or Seattle would consider trading their first round pick for Maroney.

    Then New England could get back in round 1. Spend the first on McFadden, try to shop Maroney for a first rounder, and if they get back in round 1 they can take a CB or ILB.

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  • Matt McGuire
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    Originally posted by Craig Smith View Post
    Yes ththose are their biggest needs. But who are they going to take at that spot?

    New England is going to be in a tight spot. Obviously they will want to trade down with someone, but barring that they have two choices. Take the BPA, and if your New England who is going to argue with you? Or meach for a Kenny Phillips or maybe a Malcolm Jenkins if Asante Samuels leaves in the offseason...

    I wouldn't be suprised if they took Dorsey, then either tried to trade his rights, or to trade Wilfork to try and get back in their to pick up a Linebacker...

    Its kind of a hypocritical argument since you got them taking Darren McFadden when 2 years ago they spent a first rounder on Maroney. Where is McFadden going to play especiially in their newfound pass happy offense?
    If Malcolm Jenkins has good post season workouts I think he is good enough to take at #4 overall if Jake Long, Darren McFadden, and Chris Long (if they plan to use him as an OLB hybrid only) are all off the board.

    If the Pats are picking 5th, I think you are getting good enough value to take Kenny Phillips, James Laurinaitis, Ryan Clady, and if they want to look at a hybrid maybe Vernon Gholston/Derrick Harvey depending on their post season workouts.

    The thing is I am not so sure if the hybrid is a need at all with New England if they plan to take an ILB in round 2 or 3 which I am sure is what they plan to do (someone like J Leman, Ben Moffitt, Beau Bell, Vince Hall, etc.) so they can move Adalius Thomas outside. How much longer does Mike Vrabel have left...must be evaluated. But I think considering Asante Samuel wants big money it would be best to take Malcolm Jenkins considering how overrated their pass coverage is.

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  • Craig Smith
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    Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
    Where would Dorsey play on NE's DL?

    Ty Warren: LDE
    Vince Wilfork: NT
    Richard Seymour: RDE

    And all were first round picks. If NE drafts Chris Long they draft him as an OLB. They will not draft DL. I mean this team is ridiculously talented and deep, but there is enough need there for 3rd round picks to make this team at ILB, CB, and FS. (their biggest needs).
    Yes ththose are their biggest needs. But who are they going to take at that spot?

    New England is going to be in a tight spot. Obviously they will want to trade down with someone, but barring that they have two choices. Take the BPA, and if your New England who is going to argue with you? Or meach for a Kenny Phillips or maybe a Malcolm Jenkins if Asante Samuels leaves in the offseason...

    I wouldn't be suprised if they took Dorsey, then either tried to trade his rights, or to trade Wilfork to try and get back in their to pick up a Linebacker...

    Its kind of a hypocritical argument since you got them taking Darren McFadden when 2 years ago they spent a first rounder on Maroney. Where is McFadden going to play especiially in their newfound pass happy offense?

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  • starqb14
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    Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
    Where would Dorsey play on NE's DL?

    Ty Warren: LDE
    Vince Wilfork: NT
    Richard Seymour: RDE

    And all were first round picks. If NE drafts Chris Long they draft him as an OLB. They will not draft DL. I mean this team is ridiculously talented and deep, but there is enough need there for 3rd round picks to make this team at ILB, CB, and FS. (their biggest needs).
    what happens if wilfork tears his acl in preseason? dorsey would be a nice fallback. also, they could just rotate to prevent fatigue. dorsey might even be quick enough to rotate at end some.

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  • Matt McGuire
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    Where would Dorsey play on NE's DL?

    Ty Warren: LDE
    Vince Wilfork: NT
    Richard Seymour: RDE

    And all were first round picks. If NE drafts Chris Long they draft him as an OLB. They will not draft DL. I mean this team is ridiculously talented and deep, but there is enough need there for 3rd round picks to make this team at ILB, CB, and FS. (their biggest needs).

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