Question for Walter

[Matt McGuire]

What makes you think Nick Hayden is a good fit on Tampa's DL as an under tackle?

If anyone else responds in this thread before Walter, I will delete your post.

[Matt McGuire]

lol gg your an idiot lol (i mean that in a good way)

[gq4ever]

lol gg your an idiot lol (i mean that in a good way)

I just spit on my computer from laughing so hard, thanks Matt now I have to get the Windex out.

[Walter]

I don't see why not? He's not the quickest defensive tackle in the world, but he's not slow by any means, and he's athletic and capable of penetrating and getting pressure on QBs... He's gotten a good amount of sacks in college.

[Matt McGuire]

lol Hayden is not athletic and can not penetrate/get pressure on a QB. He is purely a nose tackle, a Kyle Williams clone.

It's easy to get sacks in the Big Ten and while I haven't memorized his # of sacks I'd appreciate if you did some research to get that # ... Big Ten offensive lines suck anyways...they are really slow/unathletic.

No one is drafting this kid as an under tackle and I think Hayden as a 3 technique in the Tampa 2 is about just as bad a fit as anything. It's like making DeSean Jackson a 0 technique.

[Walter]

He is athletic and can penetrate and get pressure. He's not a nose tackle in the slightest. Not sure what you're looking at.

[Dumb Azz Kracka]

uh oh fight fight fight.....

DAK

[Walter]

LOL no fight here, I'm not sure how the lightest defensive tackle in this entire draft class can be a nose tackle. Hayden's been able to get QB pressure his entire career.

[Matt McGuire]

From Scout's Inc. I'll type more scouting reports on Hayden soon:

Strengths: Possesses good height and adequate bulk with room on his frame to get bigger. He displays good overall strength. Does a solid job of anchoring at the point of attack and gives a great effort. Uses long arms to keep separation from blockers. Very feisty and aggressive style of play; hands and feet are always moving. Plays with a very good motor and won't give up on plays. Does an effective job of tying up blockers in a gap-control scheme. Is disciplined and technically sound. He shows some power moves to collapse the pocket as a bull rusher when working one-on-one. Extremely durable and reliable throughout his career.

Weaknesses: Not a great athlete. Shows adequate straight-line quickness but he's not an explosive penetrator and he does change directions very well. He needs to do a better job of locating the ball and disengaging from blocks. Still could add some bulk to his frame, especially if he's playing a two-gap and/or gap-control scheme in the NFL. Lacks first-step quickness and closing burst to be a legitimate factor as an inside pass rusher in the NFL.

Overall: Hayden has played in 31 games (26 consecutive starts) registering 84 total tackles, 13 tackles for loss, and 5.5 sacks. Hayden is a durable, experienced player with adequate size and quickness. He gives a very solid effort and he's the type of prospect that will find ways to make a roster as a wave DT in the NFL. However, while he is a solid all-around player, Hayden does not have any special qualities physically.

Bolded part right there eliminates him from any Tampa 2 scheme as an under tackle.

[Matt McGuire]

From NFL.com via the Sports XChange

Analysis
Positives: True run-stuffing worker in the middle. ... Dependable and durable. ... Tall and has wide shoulders. ... At times he can push his man into the pocket, extending his arms to get leverage. ... Has an occasional burst to cause a holding penalty or penetrate double teams. ... Willing to chase down the line or downfield to make a play when fresh.



Negatives: Considered by scouts a "try-hard" player instead of an elite athlete, Hayden is not the quickest or strongest inside presence. ... Rarely gets to the quarterback or running back behind the line of scrimmage. ... Often gets too high off the snap, allowing linemen to get under his pads. ... Sometimes will give up on plays quickly, especially if tired, then get pushed back 5-10 yards. ... Has trouble disengaging from interior linemen.



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[Matt McGuire]

Walter, I'd hardly call a DT that weighs in at 305 at the combine the "lightest DT in the draft."

[Walter]

Hayden weighed in at 291 man

[Walter]

He actually reminds me of the under tackle Atlanta signed today.

[Dumb Azz Kracka]

Good lord, are you two brothers? Here look at this.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33856

DAK

[Matt McGuire]

http://nationalpost.pa-sportsticker.com/default.aspx?s=nfl-news-display&nid=A81284731204938519A

Neither of these guys are very good pass rushing threats ... a 3 technique has to be a good pass rusher walter.