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  • Keith Rivers to NE talk heating up

    On NFL Network...hmm who called that before everyone else I wonder?

    http://www.walterfootball.com/mattpredraftne.php
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  • #2
    Meh I don't think NE takes a LB early. Never have. Bill Belichick doesn't operate that way.
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    • #3
      Rivers fits what they want though in a linebacker ... he is in their range.

      They aren't taking OL there. Not taking a WR there obviusly. What else could they take? Has to be either ILB (Rivers only opition) or CB.
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      • #4
        I think it's a corner.

        I know he's in their range, but Belichick has a strict philosophy about linebackers.

        They lost two CBs this offseason and didn't really replace them. At LB, they lost Colvin (who still might be re-signed) but added Victor Hobson the other day.
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        • #5
          Okay Walter come out and say it:

          Do you think CB to New England is a lock?

          Highly likely, but I think Rivers is a sleeper.
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          • #6
            No it's not a lock, just Rivers at No. 7 goes against everything Belichick believes in.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Walter View Post
              No it's not a lock, just Rivers at No. 7 goes against everything Belichick believes in.
              If it isn't a lock, then what position do you think NE could go in besides CB?
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              • #8
                Yay, the big guys going at it.

                *goes to get some popcorn*
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                • #9
                  (Waiting for Walter's answer)

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                  • #10
                    LOL you have my answer, I'm waiting for yours

                    (will explain shortly)
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                    • #11
                      Matt and I had a chat about this on AIM, will post shortly.
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                      • #12
                        Matt: so if NE doesn't draft CB then what position will they draft?

                        Matt: since you say it isn't a lock

                        Walt: i could see Rivers there

                        Matt: LOL

                        Walt: i dont think it'll happen tho

                        Matt: "it goes against everything belicheck believes in"

                        Walt: it does

                        Matt: well

                        Walt: we dont know what he's thinking

                        Matt: i said it was a "sleeper" pick

                        Walt: maybe he really likes him

                        Matt: i know this

                        Matt: i know their OL was really really good for 18 games

                        Matt: and i know they don't really need anything other
                        than ILB and CB

                        Walt: TE

                        Matt: so Rivers and CB are the only two positions I see in that draft range

                        Walt: but yeah i hear ya

                        Matt: not at #7

                        Walt: i know

                        Matt: ya

                        Matt: i can't find one scenario where it makes sense for a
                        team to trade up to #7

                        Matt: i really think no chance the top 7 picks are traded

                        Walt: well

                        Walt: if Ellis is falling

                        Matt: ?

                        Walt: and Baltimore doesnt want to trade

                        Matt: how is he falling?

                        Walt: if he makes it past KC

                        Matt: yeah

                        Matt: so

                        Matt: NYJ run a 3-4

                        Matt: NE runs a 3-4


                        Matt: BAL runs a 3-4

                        Matt: all those teams have their NT

                        Walt: if someone wants to jump over Cincy

                        Matt: yeah

                        Matt: with Baltimore

                        Walt: and Balt doesnt wanna trade

                        Matt: LOL

                        Walt: NE is the next-best option

                        Matt: why would they not want to trade

                        Matt: okay

                        Walt: maybe they want Matt Ryan, who knows,
                        sometimes teams don't want to

                        Matt: who wants matt ryan?

                        Matt: other than baltimore

                        Walt: who really knows who wants Matt Ryan, we're not
                        inside their offices

                        Matt: no

                        Matt: but i do the research

                        Walt: you can't research what you can't find

                        Matt: only desitinations i see for ryan's range is: ATL,
                        BAL, CHI, MIN, and TB

                        Matt: lol

                        Matt: i know carolina likes matt moore

                        Matt: who else really needs a QB?

                        Matt: the answer is no one

                        Walt: i know

                        Matt: okay

                        Matt: ??????????

                        Walt: but if they really like him, they may not want to
                        risk it

                        Walt: if they move down to 12

                        Matt: oh

                        Matt: ?

                        Matt: wait what?

                        Walt: and Chicago goes up to 11, let's say

                        Walt: if they REALLY like Ryan they'll take him at 8

                        Matt: why would they trade up ahead of the broncos?

                        Walt: no if Denver moves up after Balt moves down

                        Matt: why would denver move up?

                        Walt: like if Balt-Den trade

                        Matt: oh
                        Walt: Sedrick Ellis

                        Matt: yeah i mapped that one out i think

                        Walt: so Balt is at 12 right

                        Matt: ya

                        Matt: but

                        Walt: and let's say they want Matt Ryan

                        Matt: who?

                        Walt: balt

                        Matt: yeah chicago isn't trading up

                        Matt: they can't affrod it walter

                        Matt: u know that

                        Walt: if they really want him they will do whatever it
                        takes

                        Walt: i think it would be a dumb move

                        Matt: they have too many needs to really want him

                        Walt: not true

                        Matt: ?

                        Matt: QB, RB, WR, TE, OL

                        Matt: like every offensive position they can't give up a
                        3rd round pick to get ryan

                        Walt: if they really want him, and believe he can be the
                        best QB in franchise history, they'll do whatever it takes

                        Walt: a 3rd-round pick to get what they might think
                        could be the best QB in a Bears uniform ever?

                        Matt: i mean okay maybe tampa bay trades 1st round
                        picks from 2009 and 2010 to get ryan

                        Matt: if they think he is destined for the HOF

                        Walt: thats what i'm saying, Chicago might think that

                        Walt: and maybe Baltimore thinks that too

                        Matt: okay

                        Matt: BUT

                        Walt: so why would Balt risk it

                        Matt: back on subject

                        Matt: back on subject

                        Walt: whats the subject?

                        Matt: thishas nothing to do with NE

                        Walt: yeah it does

                        Walt: because if Denver wants Ellis

                        Walt: and Balt doesn't want to trade

                        Walt: Denver can go to NE

                        Walt: who will happily move down

                        Matt: denver can't afford to trade up that high

                        Walt: you can always make something work

                        Walt: it's just one more slot

                        Walt: maybe NE wants to move down so badly they wont
                        mind losing some TVC points

                        Matt: okay

                        Matt: less expensive than i thoughtt according to TVC

                        Matt: u could be onto something
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Walter View Post
                          Meh I don't think NE takes a LB early. Never have. Bill Belichick doesn't operate that way.
                          Originally posted by Walter View Post
                          I know he's in their range, but Belichick has a strict philosophy about linebackers.
                          lol you went back against all your quotes and then said Rivers is a possibility in our chat. I baited you into it...oh yeah just noticed those 2 quotes contradict each other from

                          "Belicheck doesn't operate that way" to "I know he's in their range"
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                          • #14
                            nice discussion between walter and i ... didn't think about that trade scenario its pretty advanced...but very intriguing to say the least.
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                            • #15
                              LOL

                              It's not that difficult...

                              I don't think the Pats take Rivers.

                              But would it surprise me? Maybe a little bit, but I wouldn't fall off my couch.

                              Like he's in what you would define as "range," I just don't think NE goes that way.
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