Keith Rivers to NE talk heating up

[Matt McGuire]

On NFL Network...hmm who called that before everyone else I wonder?

http://www.walterfootball.com/mattpredraftne.php

[Walter]

Meh I don't think NE takes a LB early. Never have. Bill Belichick doesn't operate that way.

[Matt McGuire]

Rivers fits what they want though in a linebacker ... he is in their range.

They aren't taking OL there. Not taking a WR there obviusly. What else could they take? Has to be either ILB (Rivers only opition) or CB.

[Walter]

I think it's a corner.

I know he's in their range, but Belichick has a strict philosophy about linebackers.

They lost two CBs this offseason and didn't really replace them. At LB, they lost Colvin (who still might be re-signed) but added Victor Hobson the other day.

[Matt McGuire]

Okay Walter come out and say it:

Do you think CB to New England is a lock?

Highly likely, but I think Rivers is a sleeper.

[Walter]

No it's not a lock, just Rivers at No. 7 goes against everything Belichick believes in.

[Matt McGuire]

No it's not a lock, just Rivers at No. 7 goes against everything Belichick believes in.

If it isn't a lock, then what position do you think NE could go in besides CB?

[Leo Fender]

Yay, the big guys going at it.

*goes to get some popcorn*

[Matt McGuire]

(Waiting for Walter's answer)

[Walter]

LOL you have my answer, I'm waiting for yours

(will explain shortly)

[Walter]

Matt and I had a chat about this on AIM, will post shortly.

[Walter]

Matt: so if NE doesn't draft CB then what position will they draft?

Matt: since you say it isn't a lock

Walt: i could see Rivers there

Matt: LOL

Walt: i dont think it'll happen tho

Matt: "it goes against everything belicheck believes in"

Walt: it does

Matt: well

Walt: we dont know what he's thinking

Matt: i said it was a "sleeper" pick

Walt: maybe he really likes him

Matt: i know this

Matt: i know their OL was really really good for 18 games

Matt: and i know they don't really need anything other
than ILB and CB

Walt: TE

Matt: so Rivers and CB are the only two positions I see in that draft range

Walt: but yeah i hear ya

Matt: not at #7

Walt: i know

Matt: ya

Matt: i can't find one scenario where it makes sense for a
team to trade up to #7

Matt: i really think no chance the top 7 picks are traded

Walt: well

Walt: if Ellis is falling

Matt: ?

Walt: and Baltimore doesnt want to trade

Matt: how is he falling?

Walt: if he makes it past KC

Matt: yeah

Matt: so

Matt: NYJ run a 3-4

Matt: NE runs a 3-4


Matt: BAL runs a 3-4

Matt: all those teams have their NT

Walt: if someone wants to jump over Cincy

Matt: yeah

Matt: with Baltimore

Walt: and Balt doesnt wanna trade

Matt: LOL

Walt: NE is the next-best option

Matt: why would they not want to trade

Matt: okay

Walt: maybe they want Matt Ryan, who knows,
sometimes teams don't want to

Matt: who wants matt ryan?

Matt: other than baltimore

Walt: who really knows who wants Matt Ryan, we're not
inside their offices

Matt: no

Matt: but i do the research

Walt: you can't research what you can't find

Matt: only desitinations i see for ryan's range is: ATL,
BAL, CHI, MIN, and TB

Matt: lol

Matt: i know carolina likes matt moore

Matt: who else really needs a QB?

Matt: the answer is no one

Walt: i know

Matt: okay

Matt: ??????????

Walt: but if they really like him, they may not want to
risk it

Walt: if they move down to 12

Matt: oh

Matt: ?

Matt: wait what?

Walt: and Chicago goes up to 11, let's say

Walt: if they REALLY like Ryan they'll take him at 8

Matt: why would they trade up ahead of the broncos?

Walt: no if Denver moves up after Balt moves down

Matt: why would denver move up?

Walt: like if Balt-Den trade

Matt: oh
Walt: Sedrick Ellis

Matt: yeah i mapped that one out i think

Walt: so Balt is at 12 right

Matt: ya

Matt: but

Walt: and let's say they want Matt Ryan

Matt: who?

Walt: balt

Matt: yeah chicago isn't trading up

Matt: they can't affrod it walter

Matt: u know that

Walt: if they really want him they will do whatever it
takes

Walt: i think it would be a dumb move

Matt: they have too many needs to really want him

Walt: not true

Matt: ?

Matt: QB, RB, WR, TE, OL

Matt: like every offensive position they can't give up a
3rd round pick to get ryan

Walt: if they really want him, and believe he can be the
best QB in franchise history, they'll do whatever it takes

Walt: a 3rd-round pick to get what they might think
could be the best QB in a Bears uniform ever?

Matt: i mean okay maybe tampa bay trades 1st round
picks from 2009 and 2010 to get ryan

Matt: if they think he is destined for the HOF

Walt: thats what i'm saying, Chicago might think that

Walt: and maybe Baltimore thinks that too

Matt: okay

Matt: BUT

Walt: so why would Balt risk it

Matt: back on subject

Matt: back on subject

Walt: whats the subject?

Matt: thishas nothing to do with NE

Walt: yeah it does

Walt: because if Denver wants Ellis

Walt: and Balt doesn't want to trade

Walt: Denver can go to NE

Walt: who will happily move down

Matt: denver can't afford to trade up that high

Walt: you can always make something work

Walt: it's just one more slot

Walt: maybe NE wants to move down so badly they wont
mind losing some TVC points

Matt: okay

Matt: less expensive than i thoughtt according to TVC

Matt: u could be onto something

[Matt McGuire]

Meh I don't think NE takes a LB early. Never have. Bill Belichick doesn't operate that way.

I know he's in their range, but Belichick has a strict philosophy about linebackers.

lol you went back against all your quotes and then said Rivers is a possibility in our chat. I baited you into it...oh yeah just noticed those 2 quotes contradict each other from

"Belicheck doesn't operate that way" to "I know he's in their range"

[Matt McGuire]

nice discussion between walter and i ... didn't think about that trade scenario its pretty advanced...but very intriguing to say the least.

[Walter]

LOL

It's not that difficult...

I don't think the Pats take Rivers.

But would it surprise me? Maybe a little bit, but I wouldn't fall off my couch.

Like he's in what you would define as "range," I just don't think NE goes that way.