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  • Tarvaris (makes Grossman look elite) Jackson is key to Vikings fate...

    Hear that sizzling sound? It's Tarvaris Jackson arse on the hot-seat.

    A few highlights...

    TO me, Jackson remains a gamble. There were times last season when he looked green as grass. And there were times when he showed the promise we had heard so much about. But those instances usually were followed by stretches on the sideline because of an injury.

    Publicly, his teammates said all the right things. Privately, their eyes sometimes looked as if they would pop out of their heads. Several bit their lip so hard I swear they drew blood.


    . . .

    Drafting at No. 17 they had an outside chance of getting quarterback Brian Brohm out of Louisville. Brohm is the No. 2-rated QB in the draft behind Boston College's Matt Ryan. But Brohm is considered by many to be the most ready to play in a West Coast offense.

    It would have been worthwhile to pass on an offensive lineman to get Brohm at No. 17. Not to play right now, but certainly to learn the system and eventually push Jackson. He could have started pushing pretty quickly, too. I hear the Packers love this kid.

    Remember in 1989 the Cowboys drafted quarterback Troy Aikman first overall. Then in the supplemental draft a few months later, they took quarterback Steve Walsh first overall. Some people raised an eyebrow, but the idea was for the two guys to compete. Usually, in that type of situation they make each other better.

    Jackson hasn't been competing for a job. He's just had to stay a step ahead of the old guys behind him.


    . . .

    Jackson is the X factor who will make or break this season. If the Vikings currently had a Daunte Culpepper in his prime, they'd be the subject of a Super Bowl buzz around the league. Even with a young Brad Johnson or a still-capable Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham, Minnesota would look like a monster.

    But here we are. The Vikings made some good moves this offseason. They've really built a sleek football machine. Now it's all about whether they have the right driver.


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    For the most part, I agree with this article in it's entirety. Except for a few key points that the Minnesota media is just plain stupid on.

    For one, they say...

    "In the past it has been sort of, "well, he's young and learning," and the Vikings really weren't Super Bowl material anyway"

    That's just stupid. The Vikings man-handled several teams that went deep into the playoffs last year and they absolutely Monkey-Stomped the Super Bowl Champion Giants, in New York of all places. Not Super Bowl material my arse! If the 2007 Giants can win it, the 2007 Vikings could damn well win it too.

    Later they say...

    "Jackson's mistakes might have been frustrating to watch, but it wasn't as if he was single-handedly keeping the team out of the playoffs."

    Again, not true. The Vikings only failing last year was their complete lack of a passing game. (Other than when Brooks Bollinger was under center, which is ironic.) When Jackson was playing, defenses were lining up on passing downs with 8 guys in the box. They were also sometimes cheating up a saftey and putting 9 guys in the box, that's right, NINE guys in the box! That means they had no saftey deep with one-on-one coverage on the Vikings receivers on the outside. I've never seen that kind of coverage in the NFL unless it was extremely short yardage. They were just daring Jackson to attempt to throw... and most of the time, they'd run right at 8-9 man fronts. That is just in-sane. I know people make that horribly uninformed statement about the Vikings pass defense being last in the league, but that statisitic is extremely misleading because every team the Vikings faced, had to throw on 90% of plays because they could not run against the Viking defense. So the teams "passing yards allowed" statistics are horribly skewed. Their pass defense was drastically better than they were getting credit for, and the overall defense was really the strength of the team last year.

    They also say...
    "The signing of Gus Frerotte gives Minnesota a solid backup."

    That should have said, the signing of Gus Ferotte would give the Vikings a solid backup... if they were to stop using the WCO. Seriously, you're going to bring in a washed-up veteran to be the backup QB when he's had no (that's zip, zilch, zero, nada, none) experience with the West Coast Offense and expect him to be able to step right in and play tomorrow as the QB? What the hell kind of Alice In Wonderland world are they living in to think that? Ferotte is probably months from even being able to understand the playbook, let alone manage an offense in a game situation.

    Other than those things, this piece was pretty well on the money.

    $0.02,

    --Z
    Last edited by ZN0rseman; 04-24-2008, 01:04 PM.
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    WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
    PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
    NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
    Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
    Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
    MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
    PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
    Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
    Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
    ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
    Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
    TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
    InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
    Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
    EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
    EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
    Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
    BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

    Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
    Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

  • #2
    If I went around and collected your $0.02 from every thread I'd be a rich man.

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    • #3
      All the Vikings need at QB is passable play. If they get that, they can go to the Super Bowl. I don't see Jackson being passable though. No way he wins a Doggone Playoff game.
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      • #4
        This team is so talented now after FA and acquiring Jared Allen. No way this team can win with Jackson though. He is absolutely terrible.
        Chi-Towns Finest!

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        • #5
          They should trade the 2nd rounder for Sage. The team is ready to win now, go get a veteran QB who can manage the game.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NoNonsenseCoach View Post
            They should trade the 2nd rounder for Sage. The team is ready to win now, go get a veteran QB who can manage the game.
            The Minneapolis media, and the NFL media (NFL Network and ESPN), have been backing Jackson for the most part, and I don't understand why. They make excuses for him in every piece they do. Even in this piece (that pretends to be critical of Jackson) you have them downplaying his lack of skill and terrible play, and literally even making it sound as though this is his last chance, and they really do mean it... this time.

            Plus they are lauding the signing of Ferrotte, as though he somehow helps the situation. It's eerily similar to their feigned excitement about the signing of Kelly Holcomb. These signings, in my view, were just window-dressing to the fans to make it look like the team was trying to improve the QB situation, when in fact they had no intention of putting Jackson's starting role in jepordy at any time, and they are only signing guys they know will not provide any serious competition. I would love seeing Sage in purple and gold, but I honestly don't believe that the organization really ever wanted him in the first place. They want to win with Jackson, or not at all.

            Going on three years now, this team has been good enough to win a championship, the only piece they've been missing is QB, and the organization has steadfastly refused to do anything to correct the situation.
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            WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
            PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
            NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
            Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
            Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
            MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
            PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
            Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
            Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
            ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
            Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
            TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
            InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
            Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
            EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
            EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
            Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
            BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

            Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
            Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

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            • #7
              What I would do is offer a conditional 2009 pick for Sage. If he doesn't do anything, it's a third-rounder. If he plays enough and meets some criteria, it would turn into a 2nd.
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              • #8
                If grossman looks elite, I am willing to trade you him and our 4th for your 2nd rounder or a 3rd next year straight up.
                Bears offseason wish list:

                Jay Cutler, I am good, for now.

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                • #9
                  people like regoob and walter dont know nothing, sorry to say. Im a huge vikings fan and I go to alot of vikings website and we talk about tjack alot. If you would look at the stats of good QBs like Mcnabb, manning, etc and compare them to Tjack stats you wouldnt be so fast to judge him. I mean what do you expect from a young QB that come from a small school with all this pressure on him? Its his first year starting, what do you people want from him. Lol whatever one year is not enough to judge a QB, especially if he was hurt for acouple of them games also. He is 8-4 as a starter, which is good enough for me. Yes we have peterson and a great run defense to help him but as long as he win right? I would rather him win than to throw for 300+ yards a game and still lose. One of his loses was from Lions game where we could of won but missed a 48yard field goal, not really on him. Most of his INT came from that one lion came when he threw 4, does that mean he suck? no. Manning throw 6 in one game, versus a better defense yes but still he is a better QB. So to say this guy suck after one year starting is just stupid, give the guy room to breath. Im not saying he is going to be a elite QB but I think he can help this team win

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vikings_Domo View Post
                    people like regoob and walter dont know nothing, sorry to say. Im a huge vikings fan and I go to alot of vikings website and we talk about tjack alot. If you would look at the stats of good QBs like Mcnabb, manning, etc and compare them to Tjack stats you wouldnt be so fast to judge him. I mean what do you expect from a young QB that come from a small school with all this pressure on him? Its his first year starting, what do you people want from him. Lol whatever one year is not enough to judge a QB, especially if he was hurt for acouple of them games also. He is 8-4 as a starter, which is good enough for me. Yes we have peterson and a great run defense to help him but as long as he win right? I would rather him win than to throw for 300+ yards a game and still lose. One of his loses was from Lions game where we could of won but missed a 48yard field goal, not really on him. Most of his INT came from that one lion came when he threw 4, does that mean he suck? no. Manning throw 6 in one game, versus a better defense yes but still he is a better QB. So to say this guy suck after one year starting is just stupid, give the guy room to breath. Im not saying he is going to be a elite QB but I think he can help this team win
                    Kyle Orton is something like 13-3 as a starter
                    Bears offseason wish list:

                    Jay Cutler, I am good, for now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Drumsteroo View Post
                      Kyle Orton is something like 13-3 as a starter
                      Thats a very good point. I dont know nothing about orton, but did he do that his first year starting? if so shoot me down

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                      • #12
                        Vikings are talented, but their coach is not very smart, and their offense almost completely one dimensional because they have no wide receivers or tight ends. I think they are a .500 team.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Vikings_Domo View Post
                          people like regoob and walter dont know nothing, sorry to say. Im a huge vikings fan and I go to alot of vikings website and we talk about tjack alot. If you would look at the stats of good QBs like Mcnabb, manning, etc and compare them to Tjack stats you wouldnt be so fast to judge him. I mean what do you expect from a young QB that come from a small school with all this pressure on him? Its his first year starting, what do you people want from him. Lol whatever one year is not enough to judge a QB, especially if he was hurt for acouple of them games also. He is 8-4 as a starter, which is good enough for me. Yes we have peterson and a great run defense to help him but as long as he win right? I would rather him win than to throw for 300+ yards a game and still lose. One of his loses was from Lions game where we could of won but missed a 48yard field goal, not really on him. Most of his INT came from that one lion came when he threw 4, does that mean he suck? no. Manning throw 6 in one game, versus a better defense yes but still he is a better QB. So to say this guy suck after one year starting is just stupid, give the guy room to breath. Im not saying he is going to be a elite QB but I think he can help this team win
                          Emmitt, is that you?

                          Seriously, I was able to watch a few Vikings games last year. Are you for real? This whole, I'd rather he wins than throws 300 yards a game thing is total crap. If you plugged Peyton Manning in that offense don't tell me they suddenly wouldn't get a whole lot better. Last year Minnesota won a lot of games DESPITE their QB play, the o-line, the running backs and the defense was so good that you could have probably had the kid from Friday Night Lights and they still would have won games.

                          Tavaris was a 6-7th round projected draft pick for a reason. MIN took him in the 2nd. Sometimes you can't polish a turd.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jimmyp View Post
                            If you plugged Peyton Manning in that offense don't tell me they suddenly wouldn't get a whole lot better.
                            Took the words right from my mouth.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NoNonsenseCoach View Post
                              They should trade the 2nd rounder for Sage. The team is ready to win now, go get a veteran QB who can manage the game.
                              Or at least sign a veteran who is an FA. Culpepper would be interesting.

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