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    TB Bucs - QB

    I can't get my head around you calling Brohm at 20 to the Bucs. I agree that Brohm is solid and has 1st rd value, but I can't see, more correctly don't want the Bucs going QB at 20. Garcia can be the starter for 08 and 09, yes he will miss games thats why they pickedup Griese, though I like McCown better as the 2. It looks like there will still be value at QB in the 3rd and 4th rds where they can get Flacco, Woodson, Booty, etc. The Bucs need a playmaker to support Galloway. The challenge is that the WR crop is all suspect at 20, based on the speculation on the web, unless they can get one of the top 3 wideouts on their board, I think they need to look at corner. It looks like the corner class is 10 deep, you don't have to look at many boards to see that 3-10 are going all over the place in various orders. Jenkins, Talib, Flowers, Potter, King and Cason all appear to have more value than any of the WRs outside the top 3-4. Thomas, Sweed, and Hardy have the size TB needs in the redzone, and Jackson is explosive. I feel better about the CBs because there are fewer question marks, but again its a deep class a couple of the guys I listed will be there in rd 2, none of the WRs will make it that far. My main point is that Tbay needs to stay on top of the division while the cats and birds rebuild. Gruden wants a vetern QB. A top wideout adds more playmaking to the O a CB continues the great job they are doing transitioning vs rebuilding the D.
    My 2 cents. GO BUCS!
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    The two things the Bucs need are a WR and CB. This class is really deep at both positions. I think Brian Brohm presents too much value at No. 20 for the Bucs to pass up, similarly to how Green Bay had to take Aaron Rodgers in '05
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    • #3
      Why pass up on a possible great QB for a WR or CB in the first when you can get one of equal quality in the 2nd onwards.

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      • #4
        Like I said, I agree with the value associated with Brohm. However the weakness of the NFC South gives the Bucs a window they need to exploit, meaning they need 1st and 2nd round picks that are going to play. If they want to develop a young QB they have Simms, who before injury was developing well. A wideout or CB at 20 is going to compete for a starting position, ideally they get one of each with the 1st two picks. If he is potentially so good how does the Vikings or Bears pass on him, Carolina should be in the mix as well with that logic. There are 3-4 teams in front of the Bucs with bigger QB issues.

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        • #5
          I think Simms is done. I don't think he makes the team, regardless of whether or not TB drafts a QB.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Walter View Post
            I think Simms is done. I don't think he makes the team, regardless of whether or not TB drafts a QB.
            The question I have is, will the Vikings pick him up when TB finally let's the kid loose?
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            WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
            PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
            NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
            Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
            Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
            MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
            PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
            Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
            Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
            ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
            Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
            TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
            InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
            Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
            EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
            EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
            Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
            BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."
            Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
            Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Walter View Post
              The two things the Bucs need are a WR and CB. This class is really deep at both positions. I think Brian Brohm presents too much value at No. 20 for the Bucs to pass up, similarly to how Green Bay had to take Aaron Rodgers in '05
              You are kidding yourself by saying Brohm is comparable to Rodgers.

              Rodgers was a top ten quarterback. Brohm is a second round QB.

              BIG difference.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
                You are kidding yourself by saying Brohm is comparable to Rodgers.

                Rodgers was a top ten quarterback. Brohm is a second round QB.

                BIG difference.
                You are kidding yourself if you think Andre Woodson is going to be a decent NFL QB.
                sigpic
                WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
                PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
                NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
                Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
                Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
                MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
                PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
                Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
                Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
                ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
                Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
                TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
                InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
                Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
                EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
                EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
                Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
                BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."
                Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
                Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ZN0rseman View Post
                  You are kidding yourself if you think Andre Woodson is going to be a decent NFL QB.
                  I agree,

                  Matt, where did you have Brohm rated last year?
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                  • #10
                    So since since most think Brohm is not the pick. Who do you like at #20?

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                    • #11
                      calais campbell lol

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                      • #12
                        *slowly evolves into an Andre Woodson thread*

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                        • #13
                          lol. why would they draft brohm in rd 1 when they could get colt brennan, who is a perfect fit for a gruden-run west coast offense later on?
                          i mean he played at Hawaii, you can't get any more wester-coast than that.

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                          • #14
                            I think the Bucs will not even get a chance to pick Brohm unless they trade up.

                            I think they will try to trade down and out of their pick, but if they can't I would have to think wide receiver.

                            They might just go BPA if a guy like Keith Rivers falls to them.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by crash_diet View Post
                              I think the Bucs will not even get a chance to pick Brohm unless they trade up.


                              FALSE.

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