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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mark View Post
    I'd like the Panthers to go Kenny Phillips or James Laurinaitis. Chris Harris is playing well, but Deke Cooper is a disgrace. Also Dan Morgan is out again with partially torn Achilles. Frankly, as a Panther fan, I'm just completely sick and tired of his injuries.

    I'd wait to see what Charles Johnson could do before we address the DE position with a first round pick. He hasn't been given a chance to play, so I guess we'll see next year when Rucker is gone.

    Also, I wouldn't mind them trading up to secure Sam Baker. Travelle Wharton isn't anything special. QB could be addressed if Carr plays like crap again this weekend against the Saints. Just my suggestions!
    Panthers won't trade up they have way too many needs.
    But I really like what you are saying about the Panthers needs they have as a team. All those positions you sugggest could be address and I don't see them going DE.

    DT is an underrated need for them.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
      Okay.

      Stop it with the great 40 times Walter.

      Jason Hill, Lauren Robinson, and Johnnie Lee Higgins had 4.3 40 times, yet they all fell to round 3.

      I don't get it. You say "someone may fall in love with him"...someone may fall in love with Alley Broussard too. Lets put him in round 2 also.
      More like they rose to Round 3 after being day-2 prospects.
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      • #18
        Aren't you making my point for me?
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        • #19
          Nice points on the Panthers, Mark, I have no idea why I didn't consider Laurinaitis for Carolina; just an error on my part.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
            Aren't you making my point for me?
            No.

            They were round 5-7 prospects to begin with.

            They rose to round 3.
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            • #21
              My point was that great 40 times are overrated in below average prospects. Andre Caldwell is a below average prospect right now until he proves something.

              I'm not debating that they were late round prospects and they rose in the draft...I was so shocked when guys like James Jones and Laurent Robinson came off the board in the 3rd.

              My point is that a 40 time doesn't raise the stock of an average football player. Only the Titans bought into Chris Henry as a 2nd round prospect after his great combine.
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              • #22
                How about Yamon Figurs? He was no one until he ran a 4.30 (I think).

                Someone drafted him.
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                • #23
                  Hope you're wrong with such a high pick for the Bears but love the pick I would be sooo happy with Woodson... Actually would love DeSean but we still wouldn't have anyone to get him the ball
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post

                    I don't feel like the Giants go CB 2 years in a row. They need more offensive talent especially on the OL and RB.
                    Sorry Matt, but the Giants have struggled much more on the defensive side of the ball as the stats so clearly indicate. Despite being stop gaps and not long term options David Diehl and Derrick Ward have played superbly.

                    The Giants will pick defense, FACT. It really all boils down to whos available and who we pick up in FA of course as there a number of free agents this year who could really help us. Lance Briggs, Asante Samuels, Nnamdi Asomugha and Drayton Florence all spring to mind.

                    If we go offense at all early I'd want it to be round 3 at the earliest for a LT who has proven he can cut it at a decent level and not project material to spend a year on the sidelines learning the system, get in condition for the NFL and then stepping in to start. Only in round 2 would I be happy with an offensive player if he had taken a massive fall from his projected value on draft day and he didn't play QB or TE.

                    The only offensive position the Giants will definetly address in '08 is FB, as we have indicated our desire to secure a decent blocking FB, and of course you won't see that early on.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by giantsfanmike View Post
                      Sorry Matt, but the Giants have struggled much more on the defensive side of the ball as the stats so clearly indicate. Despite being stop gaps and not long term options David Diehl and Derrick Ward have played superbly.

                      The Giants will pick defense, FACT. It really all boils down to whos available and who pick up in FA of course as there a number of free agents this year who could really help us. Lance Briggs, Asante Samuels, Nnamdi Asomugha and Drayton Florence all spring to mind.

                      The only offensive position the Giants will definetly address in '08 is FB.
                      So the Giants, you claiming, are set offensively? Because they are so good. Thats a homer post, period.

                      It's isn't a fact the Giants will draft defense, is it likely, yes. I'd say 60%, but they could very well go offense.

                      I think you might have misinterpreted what I said. I said the Giants won't go CB 2 years in a row in round 1, not defense.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Walter View Post
                        How about Yamon Figurs? He was no one until he ran a 4.30 (I think).

                        Someone drafted him.
                        He's a return specialist. The Ravens didn't draft a WR they drafted a RS.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
                          So the Giants, you claiming, are set offensively? Because they are so good. Thats a homer post, period.

                          It's isn't a fact the Giants will draft defense, is it likely, yes. I'd say 60%, but they could very well go offense.

                          I think you might have misinterpreted what I said. I said the Giants won't go CB 2 years in a row in round 1, not defense.
                          You claimed that you think we'd be better off going OL or RB. Walter agreed and just about the rest of the mock drafting world does for some reason.

                          The Giants have not allowed anymore than two sacks in a game so far this season, and one of the games where we conceded two sacks were both on the incompetent and sluggish Jared Lorenzen, and Derrick Ward has averaged almost 5 yards per carry.

                          On the defense none of our CBs have an interception at all between them. RW McQuarters and Corey Webster are terrible. Sam Madison is old. Kawika Mitchell hasn't worked out so far and I haven't seen anything to suggest he'll improve. Gibril Wilson one of the brighter spots of the secondary is a free agent this year and has both our interceptions. We struggle to spot teams on third down as well.

                          I look at our offense and nothing cries out to me as a major problem, while I can name quite a few on the defense.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by giantsfanmike View Post
                            You claimed that you think we'd be better off going OL or RB. Walter agreed and just about the rest of the mock drafting world does for some reason.

                            The Giants have not allowed anymore than two sacks in a game so far this season, and one of the games where we conceded two sacks were both on the incompetent and sluggish Jared Lorenzen, and Derrick Ward has averaged almost 5 yards per carry.

                            On the defense none of our CBs have an interception at all between them. RW McQuarters and Corey Webster are terrible. Sam Madison is old. Kawika Mitchell hasn't worked out so far and I haven't seen anything to suggest he'll improve. Gibril Wilson one of the brighter spots of the secondary is a free agent this year and has both our interceptions. We struggle to spot teams on third down as well.

                            I look at our offense and nothing cries out to me as a major problem, while I can name quite a few on the defense.
                            I didn't say better off OL/RB than defense... I said better off OL/RB than corner (in round 1).

                            Walter never agreed. If you can quote him on it than feel free...but he didn't so stop putting words in his mouth or others.

                            Aaron Ross says hello...I think the Giants will draft a corner this year, but more likely in round 2 or 3, not 1.

                            You are overrating INTs. A great defensive backfield is more about coverage imo and making tackles. INTs are nice, but being able to break up passes and shutting down the opposition is much more important.

                            I think the Giants biggest need at the moment is LB imo. So I don't know why you think I feel like the Giants must go offense in round 1.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
                              I didn't say better off OL/RB than defense... I said better off OL/RB than corner (in round 1).

                              Walter never agreed. If you can quote him on it than feel free...but he didn't so stop putting words in his mouth or others.

                              Aaron Ross says hello...I think the Giants will draft a corner this year, but more likely in round 2 or 3, not 1.

                              You are overrating INTs. A great defensive backfield is more about coverage imo and making tackles. INTs are nice, but being able to break up passes and shutting down the opposition is much more important.

                              I think the Giants biggest need at the moment is LB imo. So I don't know why you think I feel like the Giants must go offense in round 1.
                              Walter said if Steve Slaton was still there he would have given the Giants him.

                              Its not just the Ints man, players were getting burned bad. Corey Webster for example was getting torched by James Jones and RW McQuarters by Patrick Crayton. Those two guys despite being promising recievers will not ever be number 1 recievers. Its also giving up those hefty passing yards despite having a pretty decent pass rush

                              With the first rounder being spent of a corner last year and Kiwi being a stop gap and Mitchell not working out, as well as the fact I'm a firm believer of building a good defense through the front seven I also do believe our biggest need is LB.

                              However I don't get to watch much college football so I won't gauge where I think X prospect will go and who fits the Giants, so I'll just be happy with best defensive player available from OLB, CB, DT or S.

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                              • #30
                                Has Jay Alford played at all this year?
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