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  • Dan's Early 2009 Analysis: Quarterbacks

    Finals week is approaching, so don't expect me to do write ups on anyone else for a while. Sorry. >_>

    Feel free to blast away at my evaluations.

    Current QB Board
    Cullen Harper
    Sam Bradford
    Tim Tebow
    Todd Boeckman
    Chase Daniel
    Matt Stafford
    Curtis Painter
    Hunter Cantwell

    Cullen Harper
    Positives: Good Arm, Very few interceptions, accurate, can take snaps from center.
    Negatives: Only two seasons starting experience, inability to produce in big games.
    Analysis: Cullen Harper is my #1 QB heading into the 2009 season. Coming out of a pro-style offense, Harper has put up very similar throwing numbers to Tim Tebow. Harper however, doesn't have anything remotely close to Tebow's mobility, meaning that he cannot simply take off and run when the throwing situation is unfavorable. Harper completely fell apart against Georgia Tech and Auburn, two of the best teams defensively that Clemson played in 2007. Harper is a guy to look foward to seeing, because if he can compete well against good competition, he could be a legitimate top 3 prospect come April.
    Current Draft Status: Early-Mid First Round

    Todd Boeckman
    Positives: Very Good Arm, Accurate, Can take snaps from center.
    Negatives: Tends to lock onto primary target, only two seasons starting experience, completely fell apart after 11/3/2007.
    Analysis: Boeckman, like rival QB Chad Henne before, looks to be a pro-ready QB who may have the biggest impact as a rookie in 2009. He has good, but not great size, and his throwing abilities are solid. His biggest knocks include his limited playing time, and his seeming inability to produce in big games.
    Current Draft Status: Mid-Late Second Round

    Matt Stafford
    Positives: Superior Arm, Above average pocket mobility.
    Negatives: Horrific accuracy. Does not plant his feet before throwing.
    Analysis: How scary is this? Stafford's throwing style prevents him from utilizing his full power. Stafford's accuracy is appalling, but he can buy himself time in the pocket to throw the football. However, I think that Stafford's accuracy is so bad that it effectively eliminates himself from the first round. I'm reluctant to state that Stafford plays poorly against elite defenses: Hawaii's defense is not elite by any margin, and although many SEC squads are elite, he did have his worst game against South Carlina, arguably the strongest secondary in the SEC.
    Current Draft Status: Early-Mid Second Round

    Chase Daniel
    Positives: Ridiculous, jaw dropping accuracy. Great Pass:INT Ratio. Shows flashes of mobility. Textbook quick release. Will have three years starting experience.
    Negatives: Took overwhelming majority of snaps out of Shotgun. Arm Strength is is only adequate. Short, though heavier than other QB's his height (See Drew Brees and Jeff Garcia).
    Analysis: Chase Daniel was in for the running for the Heisman for a good long while until Oklahoma ruined their day twice in a row. He isn't particularly strong, but his skill set seems well suited for a WCO offense. I wonder however, how he would do taking snaps out from center.
    Current Draft Status: Mid-Late Second Round.

    Tim Tebow
    Positives: Ridiculous mobility. Heisman winner who may win a second trophy. Very Good Arm.
    Negatives: Strange wind-up, sidearm-ish throwing motion. All numbers may be inflated due to Urban Meyer system. Does not consistently throw easily catchable balls.
    Analysis: Tim Tebow's throwing motion looks like an elongated version of Colt Brennan's. This is terrible. Imagine Andre Woodson's speed with Brennan's technique. Tebow's terrific accuracy and YPA is due to a mixture of his arm and his mobility. To Joe Average, they may ask, "Why do his awesome running skills matter when determining how good a thrower he is?"

    Let me compare him to my #1 QB so far, Cullen Harper. Harper is not particularly mobile. He can throw the football, scramble, or take a sack. His scrambling is less than stellar, so it's not a real option. So he has to throw or go down. Tebow however, can get 6, 7 yards with his feet every time he scrambles, so if he doesn't see any receivers open, he can simply run away. Can someone show me like, three or four examples where Tebow THREW under pressure? I can't find any. He won't be able to run away in the NFL.

    So where does this leave Tebow? I see him as a JOAT. He could learn to be a Dustin Keller-type TE, one that can stretch the field. He's already a solid runner with great size. He CAN throw, but he's not stellar in that regard by any means. All I know is that unless he proves he can be a pocket passer, he's not worth any pick in the top 20. I do however, like the idea of making him a Slash type player who can give defensive coordinators headaches from three different locations. But is he willing to do that in the NFL?
    Current Draft Status: Late First-Early Second Round (As JOAT), Mid Day Two (As Pure QB)
    Last edited by Blazedestin; 05-16-2008, 02:34 AM.
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    Have you ever heard of Hunter Cantwell?


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    • #3
      Originally posted by MMONTERO View Post
      Have you ever heard of Hunter Cantwell?
      Yeah. I have him 7th. It's a fluid thing, to me. We haven't seen too much of Cantwell in the starring role. Call me crazy, but let's say we're going to hold the draft right now. You wanna spend a first or second round pick on a guy who's started 3 games in his career?

      Additionally, here's Cantwell's three starts.

      16/25, 271 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. UConn (2005)
      18/26, 173 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. KState (2006)
      17/32, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT vs. Middle Tennessee (2006)

      Not the greatest opponents in the world. Cantwell either is Matt Stafford or average in his three starts.
      Last edited by Blazedestin; 05-08-2008, 03:15 AM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Blazedestin View Post
        Yeah. I have him 7th. It's a fluid thing, to me. We haven't seen too much of Cantwell in the starring role. Call me crazy, but let's say we're going to hold the draft right now. You wanna spend a first or second round pick on a guy who's started 3 games in his career?

        Additionally, here's Cantwell's three starts.

        16/25, 271 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. UConn (2005)
        18/26, 173 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. KState (2006)
        17/32, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT vs. Middle Tennessee (2006)

        Not the greatest opponents in the world. Cantwell either is Matt Stafford or average in his three starts.
        That's fair. I think you will change your mind as the season progresses though. I have him as the #1 QB on my board right now based on physical skills though the more I see from Stafford the more I like him.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by MMONTERO View Post
          That's fair. I think you will change your mind as the season progresses though. I have him as the #1 QB on my board right now based on physical skills though the more I see from Stafford the more I like him.
          Ugh. Stafford? Stafford's a big armed QB in a strong conference who is held back by mediocre receivers. He has horrifically poor accuracy as well. Want another QB who fits that description? Ryan Leaf.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Blazedestin View Post
            Ugh. Stafford? Stafford's a big armed QB in a strong conference who is held back by mediocre receivers. He has horrifically poor accuracy as well. Want another QB who fits that description? Ryan Leaf.
            Stafford has issues but who doesn't in this class? That's the reason Cantwell tops my draft board right now. All QBs have serious questions to answer so I'm judging off pure physical skills until the season starts.


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            • #7
              What about Sam Bradford? He is one of the top QB's on my board.
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              • #8
                Staffords bad accuracy has a lot to do with his bad mechanics. He throws with all arm and off his back foot. If he improves this he will be the #1 QB.
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                • #9
                  They all have faults. I want to see them in action and then we can decide who should top boards.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Blazedestin View Post
                    Yeah. I have him 7th. It's a fluid thing, to me. We haven't seen too much of Cantwell in the starring role. Call me crazy, but let's say we're going to hold the draft right now. You wanna spend a first or second round pick on a guy who's started 3 games in his career?

                    Additionally, here's Cantwell's three starts.

                    16/25, 271 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. UConn (2005)
                    18/26, 173 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT vs. KState (2006)
                    17/32, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT vs. Middle Tennessee (2006)

                    Not the greatest opponents in the world. Cantwell either is Matt Stafford or average in his three starts.
                    I take offense to that statment. K State had a good defense that year. Also Sam Bradford is my number 1 QB as of now. Why don't you include him?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MMONTERO View Post
                      That's fair. I think you will change your mind as the season progresses though. I have him as the #1 QB on my board right now based on physical skills though the more I see from Stafford the more I like him.
                      Dude, I gotta warn you. He is going to look horrible this year with Kragthorpe running the show.

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                      • #12
                        Of course Harper is going to fall apart against those two defenses. His line is very inadequate.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Blazedestin View Post
                          My current QB list is Harper, Bradford, Tebow, Boeckman, Stafford, Painter. In that order.
                          Everyone who's been asking ZOMG WHERE IS BRADFORD ON YOUR LIST OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG, kindly shut the hell up.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Blazedestin View Post
                            Everyone who's been asking ZOMG WHERE IS BRADFORD ON YOUR LIST OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG, kindly shut the hell up.
                            I missed that soooooooooooooooooooooooooooory
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                            • #15
                              Oh, quick Tebow observation. He definitely won't leave for the NFL until he gets his degree. He comes from an extremely religious family that puts the highest emphasis on education, much more so than they would on athletics. Even if he WOULD be playing in the NFL.

                              On the other hand, he redshirted his first year, right? He'll probably have it next season.

                              Another egotistical note: A martial arts background is much more handy than you'd think when it comes to observing things. Not as good as a football background, but it's still helpful. :P
                              Last edited by Blazedestin; 05-08-2008, 11:43 AM.
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