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  • VOTE: Which defensive group is better?

    Which of these defensive groups do you think is the most talented???

    Vikings: Pat Williams, Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, Chad Greenway, EJ Henderson, Ben Leber.

    Ravens: Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Trevor Price, Jarrett Johnson, Bart Scott, Ray Lewis.
    37
    Vikings are much better.
    10.81%
    4
    Vikings are slightly better.
    45.95%
    17
    Ravens are slightly better.
    37.84%
    14
    Ravens are much better.
    5.41%
    2
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    WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
    PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
    NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
    Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
    Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
    MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
    PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
    Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
    Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
    ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
    Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
    TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
    InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
    Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
    EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
    EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
    Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
    BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

    Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
    Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

  • #2
    Definitely the Ravens.

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    • #3
      You would make a poll that shows who voted for who.
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      • #4
        Ravens are slightly better and much more proven.


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        • #5
          proven also means older and a lot of the success of both these units will depend on how the veterans for both these teams (Lewis, McAllister, Reed, Scott etc. for the Ravens and Fat Pat, Sharper, Winfield etc. for the Vikings) are affected by age, because no one can argue that the Ravens D is not what they used to be, they've lost key guys and their cornerstones are aging fast and the infusion of youth in Ngata, Suggs and Landry might not be enough to overcome their age.

          McAllister is still a very good CB, but, although he is big and physical, he never had elite speed and he has and will struggle with burners. I agree that the Ravens are still a very good defense, but one has to be careful not to confuse the Ravens of the early 00's with the 2008/2009 Ravens. Lewis appears to be eternal, but it appears quite easy for ILB's to fall from grace (i.e Urlacher and Zach Thomas) and that line between elite and over the hill is very very thin.
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          • #6
            and can we please not underestimate the absolute ****tiness of Samari "Boy" Rolle. Seriously, if you are critiquing Cedric Griffin then can we please talk about Samari, cause from games that I've watched he just gets picked on and abused.

            on a positive note though, i love tavares gooden and with the ravens knack for developing LB talent he could be special
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            • #7
              Originally posted by the shock doctor View Post
              and can we please not underestimate the absolute ****tiness of Samari "Boy" Rolle. Seriously, if you are critiquing Cedric Griffin then can we please talk about Samari, cause from games that I've watched he just gets picked on and abused.
              Puppy is gonna flip his ****...

              That said, I agree.


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              • #8
                I had to go with Vikings slightly better. It hurts me to say it but I think you guys win the division this year
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                • #9
                  You left out Suggs and Ray Edwards to give yourself the advantage. I think this has gone too far either way since we are both big time homers and won't be able to sway the other's opinion.

                  I don't really care about the popular opinion on this forum though, I know that the Ravens front 7 will produce.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by the shock doctor View Post
                    and can we please not underestimate the absolute ****tiness of Samari "Boy" Rolle. Seriously, if you are critiquing Cedric Griffin then can we please talk about Samari, cause from games that I've watched he just gets picked on and abused.

                    on a positive note though, i love tavares gooden and with the ravens knack for developing LB talent he could be special
                    Samari Rolle is a very frustrating player and the only weak link on this team. He doesn't deserve all the blame though since:

                    1) He's basically on an island and is never given help from Ed Reed. (This is why I think Fabian Washington will be a better fit with his elite recovery speed).

                    2) Throwing at C-Mac is a rare sight.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PuppyPuncher View Post
                      Samari Rolle is a very frustrating player and the only weak link on this team. He doesn't deserve all the blame though since:

                      1) He's basically on an island and is never given help from Ed Reed. (This is why I think Fabian Washington will be a better fit with his elite recovery speed).

                      2) Throwing at C-Mac is a rare sight.
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                      On topic, the Vikings front seven is pretty comparable with the Ravens. Vikings have a better D-Line (Only thanks to the acquisition of Jared Allen), but the Ravens may have the best linebacking corps in the league, although Ray Lewis is aging.
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                      • #12
                        if the Vikings line is as good on the field as it is on paper then they could absolutely dominate. I'm not sure if it was this thread or another where someone was using the fact that Jared Allen isn't elite, because his team blew, say what?!?!?!? that's some ****ed up logic. No position in the NFL can make up for a ****ty team, sure a superstar QB can steal a couple, or a Deion Sanders type (even though he is one in a million) DB can win some with a game-breaking Int. TD and/or amazing special teams play, but no one can turn an awful team (as the Chiefs were) into a great team. And actually weren' they the wild card a couple years back. The fact that Allen piled up those stats with a crappy supporting cast against double and triple teams is a testament to his ability. So yeah i know that the Allen thing should probably be in another thread, but I still think it's relevant. But basically, if Allen and the Williams' are as good as they "should" be, with Pat taking up blockers and Allen attacking the QB, then they could be pretty ****ing dominant, and, I know this is the most overused line in all of sports right now but, the Super Bowl proved that nothing is more important than being able to rush the passer. And no amount of leadership from Murderer/Preacher? Ray Lewis will make the Ravens D superior to the Vikings.
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                        The Frogfather - I'm young, I'm handsome, I'm fast, I'm pretty and can't possibly be beat
                        THE WALTAHOLICS - "I'm kind of a maverick and just don't give a shoot."
                        THE ANDREA McNULTY GANGBANG - "You come at the king, you best not miss."


                        There are no men like me. There's only me.

                        I may be a woman beater, but I ain't no pussy eater.

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                        NFC East Champion New York Football Giants

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                        • #13
                          Personally, I think Ray Lewis is well past his prime and is mostly just a name now. He's like Warren Sapp was a couple of years ago... other than the occasional cheap shot, he only gets his name called a lot by the announcers because of his fame/infame.

                          Now, I'll break down my vote in more direct terms...

                          DE Jared Allen > DE Trevor Price
                          DT Kevin Williams > LB Ray (has been) Lewis
                          DT Pat Williams > NT Kelly Gregg
                          DE Ray Edwards < DE Haloti Nagata
                          CB Antoine Winfield = CB Chris McAllister
                          CB Cedrick Griffin = CB Samari Rolle
                          LB EJ Henderson > LB Bart Scott
                          LB Ben Leber > LB Jarrett Johnson
                          LB Chad Greenway > LB Terrell Suggs
                          SS Darren Sharper > SS Dawan Landry
                          FS Madieu Williams < FS Ed Reed

                          Minnesota D: 7
                          Baltimore D: 2

                          Game over, Minnesota Wins.

                          $0.02,

                          --Z
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                          WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
                          PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
                          NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
                          Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
                          Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
                          MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
                          PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
                          Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
                          Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
                          ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
                          Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
                          TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
                          InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
                          Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
                          EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
                          EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
                          Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
                          BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

                          Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
                          Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ZN0rseman View Post
                            Personally, I think Ray Lewis is well past his prime and is mostly just a name now. He's like Warren Sapp was a couple of years ago... other than the occasional cheap shot, he only gets his name called a lot by the announcers because of his fame/infame.

                            Now, I'll break down my vote in more direct terms...

                            DE Jared Allen > DE Trevor Price
                            DT Kevin Williams > LB Ray (has been) Lewis
                            DT Pat Williams > NT Kelly Gregg
                            DE Ray Edwards < DE Haloti Nagata
                            CB Antoine Winfield = CB Chris McAllister
                            CB Cedrick Griffin = CB Samari Rolle
                            LB EJ Henderson > LB Bart Scott
                            LB Ben Leber > LB Jarrett Johnson
                            LB Chad Greenway > LB Terrell Suggs
                            SS Darren Sharper > SS Dawan Landry
                            FS Madieu Williams < FS Ed Reed

                            Minnesota D: 7
                            Baltimore D: 2

                            Game over, Minnesota Wins.

                            $0.02,

                            --Z
                            Why is Ray Lewis measured against a DT? Makes no sense. And every time people say Ray Lewis is over the hill he shuts their mouth for them. 121 tackles, 2 INTs, 2 FFs hardly seems over the hill for a MLB.


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                            • #15
                              D-lines - Vikings, no question.
                              LB - Ravens by a hair
                              So, Vikings win, by a lil' bit.

                              I voted according to that since, judging by your player examples, i thought we were thinking front seven. If we include dbacks, Ed Reed scores some major brownie points for the Ravens, but maybe not necessarily enough to be better than the Vikes.

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