13.5 sacks

[PuppyPuncher]

That's how many David Diehl gave up last year. If you're going to give the "5 star" Elite tag to a team, maybe they should be able to adequately pass block and run block?

Now that the standards for O-line has gone down for ratings, Cleveland deserves 5 stars because they made Jamal Lewis and Derek Anderson look good.

[Blazedestin]

As a Giants homer, I agee. The Offensive line is a 5 star run blocking line, but a 3 star pass blocking line. I see no reason though, to think that Diehl will give up 13.5 sacks next season.

[Walter]

Where'd you get the 13.5 sack figure from? I read he allowed just five sacks per the sportingnews.com

[PuppyPuncher]

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/p...d=6496&team=19

[Walter]

That number doesn't seem right, but I guess the Washington Post is a pretty reliable source.

I also have to wonder when those sacks occurred. Diehl was learning on the job after moving from left guard to left tackle.

I doubt he even comes close to 13.5 sacks allowed in his second year at LT. Remember, these star ratings are based on what I think will happen in '08; not what already happened in '07. Diehl played really well down the stretch.

[EL Guapo]

It looked like he fell asleep on a couple of plays last year but he did fine, especially when it counted. If you watched the games you didn’t really notice it.

[MMONTERO]

It looked like he fell asleep on a couple of plays last year but he did fine, especially when it counted. If you watched the games you didn’t really notice it.

I would never want a starting lineman on my team described as falling asleep on a couple plays. That's not a good thing at all.

[EL Guapo]

I would never want a starting lineman on my team described as falling asleep on a couple plays. That's not a good thing at all.

The guy just ran right by him. He’ll be fine though.

[PuppyPuncher]

That number doesn't seem right, but I guess the Washington Post is a pretty reliable source.

I also have to wonder when those sacks occurred. Diehl was learning on the job after moving from left guard to left tackle.

I doubt he even comes close to 13.5 sacks allowed in his second year at LT. Remember, these star ratings are based on what I think will happen in '08; not what already happened in '07. Diehl played really well down the stretch.

OK, so NFL.com tells us that Eli Manning got sacked 27 times.

Diehl= 13.5
Mackenzie= 4
Snee=1.5
O'Hare= 1.5
Seubert= 2

That gives up 22.5 and the rest are just backups and TEs and ****.

He didn't do better in the Postseason. How did Adalius Thomas get all those sacks in the Super Bowl?

[Walter]

Tony Romo got sacked just three less times, and Dallas' RBs averaged less per carry than New York's...

So why not have more beef with my Dallas 5-star OL ranking?

[PuppyPuncher]

Because they don't have a huge gaping hole at Left Tackle. I'm not gonna question every single ranking. You can't keep being so inconsistent with your rankings and then try and divert me when I question them. I don't care about Dallas, let's talk about David Diehl.

[Walter]

No, it's a fair point. You brought up stats and so did I. You said my rankings were inconsistent, and I just proved that they weren't per the previous post. And David Diehl is far from a huge gaping hole. Funny that the Giants re-signed a "huge gaping hole" to a big contract.

[PuppyPuncher]

No, it's a fair point. You brought up stats and so did I. You said my rankings were inconsistent, and I just proved that they weren't per the previous post. And David Diehl is far from a huge gaping hole. Funny that the Giants re-signed a "huge gaping hole" to a big contract.

So? Tommy Kelly is getting paid like a top-5 D-linemen. Does that make him elite?

Diehl's contract even mentions a separate wage if he is playing guard. Clearly, there are thoughts about him moving back inside.

[MMONTERO]

13.5 sacks would definitely qualify as a gaping hole.

[DraftKidWonder]

Walt gives 5 stars out like MLB 2K8 gives out 100 player ratings.

I have to say that unless you're considered elite unanimously, you shouldn't get 5 stars. I like my system, it's more clear:

5 stars- top 5 unit
4 stars- top 10 unit
3 stars- 11-22 (could do 3 and a half stars 11-16)
2 stars- bottom 10
1 star- bottom 5