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  • A message to Raiders' fans- be patient with JaMarcus.

    I'm an LSU homer, but I still think JaMarcus Russell's the guy.

    JaMarcus was not picked first overall because he is the most polished quarterback in the class. He was not picked first overall because he was the smoothest of players. JaMarcus does not have the coolest head. He's not very fast either.

    JaMarcus was picked first overall because he has once-in-a-decade potential.

    I know from experience that he is not an easy guy to watch. Early in his career at LSU, there were many plays where he would panic. This would lead to either a sack, a fumble, a pass overthrown by about 20 yards, or a throw out-of-bounds that would go deep into the stands. In 2004, there were flickers of brilliance, but he was extremely raw. 2005 saw a big improvement, but there would still be a lot of those panic moments. Controversy began when Matt Flynn filled in for an injured JaMarcus Russell and performed brilliantly, routing Miami's excellent defense in a 40-3 victory. Many called for Flynn to start over Russell for the next season.

    Les stood by his gun. JaMarcus started 2006, and it turned out to be the right choice. JaMarcus made a huge improvement that year. His throws were more accurate, he was much calmer, and he wasn't as panicky. There were still a few moments, but that's part of the package.

    One criticism I heard of JaMarcus was that he wasn't smart and didn't know what was going on. This is an incorrect assumption. JaMarcus almost always knew what he was doing. The problem is, those moments when he didn't know what he was doing, we knew it, his teammates knew it, the defense knew it, everybody in the stands knew it, their mothers knew it, the defense's mothers knew it, etc.

    Every quarterback has moments when they don't know what they are doing, but a good lot of them can pass it off and act cool. JaMarcus is not a good actor, and when he gets frustrated, you can tell.

    Some say there's bad JaMarcus and good JaMarcus. Bad JaMarcus is as bad as anyone's bad. Good JaMarcus is the best quarterback I have ever seen.

    For all the flustered moments, all the headaches, all the "what the hell are you doing?" moments, there would usually be a moment of pure brilliance. Not many people can do what JaMarcus can do. JaMarcus has an arm that will challenge Terry Bradshaw's for "strongest of all time". He can flick 50-yard bombs while getting leveled. He has deep accuracy. He isn't fast, but he is hard to tackle when on the move, and he can throw on the run too.

    The bottom line is, please be patient when JaMarcus has his bad moments. Like Terry Bradshaw before him, he is not the easiest quarterback to watch, and he will make a few mistakes, but the rewards for sticking with him are great. I'll be watching. GEAUX TIGERS.
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  • #2
    You know, there have been a lot of discussion on the web about QB's in this league. I've also seen the race card played countless times, almost always when valid criticism has come up related to certain QB's.

    However, its comments like these that always make me wonder. I mean, I've also seen a lot of people saying things like, "Be patient with Tarvaris Jackson" and "Be patient with JaMarcus Russel" and "Be patient with Vince Young" and "Be patient with Byron Leftwich" and "Be patient with Aaron Brooks"... yet, I can't ever remember hearing anyone say "Be patient with Aaron Rogers" or "Be patient with Trent Edwards" or "Be patient with Jay Cutler" or "Be patient with Kellen Clemmens" or "Be patient with Matt Leinart" or "Be patient with Eli Manning".

    Does anyone else see what seems to be a fairly obvious disparity here? I don't know, maybe it's just all of the recent Tarvaris Jackson flashbacks going through my head, but it just seems sometimes, like there is a definitive difference in early expecatations of QB's.

    Ramble on,

    --Z
    Last edited by ZN0rseman; 07-28-2008, 02:27 PM.
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    WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
    PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
    NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
    Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
    Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
    MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
    PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
    Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
    Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
    ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
    Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
    TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
    InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
    Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
    EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
    EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
    Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
    BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

    Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
    Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

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    • #3
      the reason I say be patient with Russell is because he certainly tested our patience at LSU, but he eventually rewarded us. I'm backing myself up with experience.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by supremeworldemperor View Post
        the reason I say be patient with Russell is because he certainly tested our patience at LSU, but he eventually rewarded us. I'm backing myself up with experience.
        Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was knocking your post man. Just got me thinking and wondering outloud (via keyboard?) about the whole "patience" thing as I've seen it in the past.

        Of course, not being an LSU fan it seemed like Matt Flynn was a better QB than Russell. Maybe you could comment on why that isn't the case. It seemed like it from my chair, but then I only caught LSU highlights, I never really watched the games.
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        WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
        PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
        NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
        Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
        Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
        MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
        PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
        Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
        Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
        ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
        Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
        TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
        InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
        Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
        EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
        EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
        Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
        BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

        Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
        Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

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        • #5
          Matt Flynn IS a good quarterback. He was clutch, he played brilliantly well when not injured (see Miami, Mississippi State, Virginia Tech and Ohio State). I also believe he was one of the reasons LSU won the national championship, or if you don't trust that sort of thing, you must admit he was one of the driving forces against Ohio State. He threw four touchdowns against the number one defense.

          But there are a few reasons Russell was picked in the first round and Flynn was picked in the seventh. Russell put up terrific stats. 3200 yards, 28 touchdowns and 8 interceptions and a 68% passer rating, terriffic even with the help of Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis and a healty Early Doucet.

          Flynn did lead the best offense in LSU history though. Gotta give him props for that.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by supremeworldemperor View Post
            Flynn did lead the best offense in LSU history though. Gotta give him props for that.
            Plus Flynn was without Dwayne Bowe (one of the best NFL rookie receivers I've seen) and seemed to face off against tougher competition in college than Russell did. Which is why I wondered why Russell was drafted so high, but then Flynn was drafted so low.
            sigpic
            WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
            PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
            NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
            Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
            Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
            MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
            PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
            Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
            Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
            ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
            Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
            TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
            InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
            Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
            EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
            EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
            Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
            BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

            Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
            Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

            Comment


            • #7
              We'll see how the two of them do in the NFL. I think Flynn could surprise a lot of people in Green Bay (he wouldn't surprise me, though.)
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              • #8
                Originally posted by supremeworldemperor View Post
                We'll see how the two of them do in the NFL. I think Flynn could surprise a lot of people in Green Bay (he wouldn't surprise me, though.)
                It's too bad he's buried on the depth chart behind Rogers and Brohm... I doubt he get a chance to start until he gets traded to another team or something.

                Hats-off to Green Bay though, they are officially loaded with talent at the QB position, all of which I thought highly of coming out of college. I only wish my Vikings had the foresight to see that a little competition at QB is a good thing. Matt Flynn or Brian Brohm to the Vikings would have been a God-send. Instead, we drafted John Booty, a guy who I wasn't overly excited about coming out of college, and a guy who probably won't push for a starting role anytime soon.
                sigpic
                WFB Comments on Vikings @ Steelers Game Rigging
                PuppyPuncher:"It sure was nice enough of Roger Goodell to let the refs from Ark-Florida officiate the Vikings-Steelers game"
                NoNonsenseCoach:"As a Steelers fan living in Pittsburgh I can still admit that tripping penalty was a complete ghost call."
                Simonds:"The tripping call was awful, yes, but there were a number of other absurd calls that went against the Vikings, including a DEFENSIVE delay of game penalty against the Vikings only called after a failed attempt to convert a third and 2 by the Steelers. Even the commentators were utterly floored that the refs made that call."
                Wraith36444:"A shady tripping call on Minnesota essentially gave the game to the Steelers. The Vikings were the better team, but it is too hard to beat a decent team and the refs. Oh and Harvin is the man."
                MaineMan:"I have to agree that it was an awful call and that it changed the outcome. Overall a great game by the Vikes and tragic that the well-deserved victory was stolen away like that."
                PaddyPatriot:"I've seen this play and I have to agree, I can't believe they called it tripping"
                Johndoe:"You know the officiating is bad when a Steeler's fan, like myself, thinks it was pretty bad."
                Steelers_Pens_Fan:"I will admit that the whole "tripping" thing probably shouldn't have been a flag."
                ZN0rseman:"It's great to know that good old fashioned pro football game rigging is still alive and well in America."
                Klunker18:"I'm with Z on this one. Definitely one of those games that makes you wonder if the NFL wants certain teams to win."
                TRICKaz"I agree that was a BS call"
                InjuredReserve:"Have yet to hear anyone say it was the right call. Seems as if the Vikings were cheated a bit."
                Eagles4Life:"Coaches just need to be able to challenge penalties"
                EL_Guapo:"The tripping call was bad, the delay of game was stupid Either way, the Vikings showed they are a top team."
                EllijayFalconsFan:"The tripping penalty was rediculous."
                Archon095:"Even as a Steeler fan I agree that the call was bull."
                BroncosCon:"I'm sorry that was a total bull**** call and it changed the outcome of the game. Pittsburgh still won, but it was almost like Denver winning at Cincy."

                Tony Dungy:"The Vikings are just one bad tripping penalty away from being undefeated.
                Jon Gruden:"That was just a bad, bad call. It cost the Vikings an important win at Pittsburgh, and it could really hurt them in the post season."

                Comment


                • #9
                  Russell sat for a year. If he doesn't show results after sitting for a year he will have a problem because people will turn against him. He had better have learned from a year on the bench or more than a coach may lose their job.
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                  • #10
                    Jamarcus looked fine late in the year playing. I don't think Kiffin's system is right for him though.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ZN0rseman View Post
                      It's too bad he's buried on the depth chart behind Rogers and Brohm... I doubt he get a chance to start until he gets traded to another team or something.

                      Hats-off to Green Bay though, they are officially loaded with talent at the QB position, all of which I thought highly of coming out of college. I only wish my Vikings had the foresight to see that a little competition at QB is a good thing. Matt Flynn or Brian Brohm to the Vikings would have been a God-send. Instead, we drafted John Booty, a guy who I wasn't overly excited about coming out of college, and a guy who probably won't push for a starting role anytime soon.

                      OMG, did you just say that the Packer are officialy loaded at QB? That could be one of the worst QB situations in the NFL.

                      Matt Flynn would have been a god-send to the Vikings? Hahahahaha. You obviously don't know how to evaluate QB talent.

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                      • #12
                        Brady Quinn was my #1 QB in 2007 because I didn't see the passion in Jamarcus Russell. I never got the sense that he loved in the game and was just in it for the money. He hasn't done anything to prove that wrong thus far in his NFL career.

                        All this said, I will reserve judgement until 2009 since he has no OL.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by IlliniVikeFan23 View Post
                          OMG, did you just say that the Packer are officialy loaded at QB? That could be one of the worst QB situations in the NFL.

                          Matt Flynn would have been a god-send to the Vikings? Hahahahaha. You obviously don't know how to evaluate QB talent.
                          The Packers have a good situation. Two young and talented backups along with a young quarterback that is less than a year away from breaking out. Yea, the Packers are sitting pretty.

                          You obviously don't know how to evaluate QB talent.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Matt McGuire View Post
                            Brady Quinn was my #1 QB in 2007 because I didn't see the passion in Jamarcus Russell. I never got the sense that he loved in the game and was just in it for the money. He hasn't done anything to prove that wrong thus far in his NFL career.

                            All this said, I will reserve judgement until 2009 since he has no OL.
                            I thought Brady Quinn was better than Russell because he was the driving force behind his entire team. Notre Dame didn't have half the talent that LSU did on either side of the ball but Quinn kept them in games.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IlliniVikeFan23 View Post
                              OMG, did you just say that the Packer are officialy loaded at QB? That could be one of the worst QB situations in the NFL.

                              Matt Flynn would have been a god-send to the Vikings? Hahahahaha. You obviously don't know how to evaluate QB talent.
                              Yeah and, uh, the Vikings are? lolololol HAHAHAHA.

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                              Brohm>Bollinger
                              Flynn>JDB

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